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How are the Saints going to help rebuild the city?

brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
honestly, i'm getting tired of hearing this.


Esther's here and she's sick?

hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I dont understand why people like you think that 50,000 people going downtown to see a football doesn't help the local economy. not only does it have a postive economical impact it also builds morale to the city.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    brainofPJ wrote:
    honestly, i'm getting tired of hearing this.[/QUOT

    They can help rebuild morale, and the teams/visiting fans pump money into local hotels, restaurants, taxis, restaurants/bars & shops.....the more visitors that come, the more jobs created (or reinstated, since they were lost due to the hurricane).

    Hotels charge vagrant tax, and shops/hotels/bars charge sales tax.

    You may be tired of hearing this. However, I am sure the residents of New Orleans appreciate the effect the Saints may have on the city.
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    brainofPJ wrote:
    honestly, i'm getting tired of hearing this.[/QUOT

    They can help rebuild morale, and the teams/visiting fans pump money into local hotels, restaurants, taxis, restaurants/bars & shops.....the more visitors that come, the more jobs created (or reinstated, since they were lost due to the hurricane).

    Hotels charge vagrant tax, and shops/hotels/bars charge sales tax.

    You may be tired of hearing this. However, I am sure the residents of New Orleans appreciate the effect the Saints may have on the city.


    morale only goes so far.

    downtown as a whole is doing just fine compared to the surrounding areas.

    i am sure a whole lot of residents of new orleans have a lot more on their minds than football right now.


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • Jammin909Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Plus BONO is in town. Everything he touches turns to gold!

    New Orleans has always thrived on tourist dollars and the Superdome has the ability to generate just that...
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    brainofPJ wrote:


    morale only goes so far.

    downtown as a whole is doing just fine compared to the surrounding areas.

    i am sure a whole lot of residents of new orleans have a lot more on their minds than football right now.


    I still dont understand your point. would you rather the team move away? your trying to say, having the team there is somehow a negative. it does nothing but postive things for the city. you sound like you just arent a fan of sports.
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I still dont understand your point. would you rather the team move away? your trying to say, having the team there is somehow a negative. it does nothing but postive things for the city. you sound like you just arent a fan of sports.


    people like me...not sure what you mean. anyway..........

    the negative would be spending $185 on the superdome


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    i thought you were talking about some crazy biblical prophesy hahaha. i guess sports is pretty close to crazy religion lol
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  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Plus BONO is in town. Everything he touches turns to gold!


    i never thought of this. thank you for opening my eyes to the truth!!!


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    brainofPJ wrote:
    people like me...not sure what you mean. anyway..........

    the negative would be spending $185 on the superdome


    people like you, who think the stadium and the team returning is a bad thing, get it.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    brainofPJ wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:


    morale only goes so far.

    downtown as a whole is doing just fine compared to the surrounding areas.

    i am sure a whole lot of residents of new orleans have a lot more on their minds than football right now.

    Sure, they have a lot on their minds, but perhaps football offers a momentary diversion. Also, the tax dollars generated can go towards fixing the surrounding areas.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    185 million? that is not alot in the large scope of things. plus its not like that is all taxpayer money. what should they do with that money? buy everyone a gallon of milk? having the saints back at a fully restored Superdome is one of the best steps in the rebuilding process. and does alot for the people of new orleanes. its strange to me that you dont get that.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,513
    In general, cities do all they can to land a professional sports franchise....they build stadiums, give free land for private stadium sites, etc.

    Cities bid on the rights to host superbowls, Olympics, All-Star games, etc.

    The city of St Louis paid millions to the Rams owner to move the team there in the 90s.

    It is a proven/accepted fact that professional/major college teams do wonders for local economies, hence, the large municipal investments.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    In general, cities do all they can to land a professional sports franchise....they build stadiums, give free land for private stadium sites, etc.

    Cities bid on the rights to host superbowls, Olympics, All-Star games, etc.

    The city of St Louis paid millions to the Rams owner to move the team there in the 90s.

    It is a proven/accepted fact that professional/major college teams do wonders for local economies, hence, the large municipal investments.


    I seriously thought this was common knowledge.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Just as long as the Saints don't suck.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    brainofPJ wrote:
    people like me...not sure what you mean. anyway..........

    the negative would be spending $185 on the superdome



    most is insurance money, the rest is there to keep one of the biggest income earners in the city from bolting to San Antonio, and to keep events like the Superbowl/ Final Four etc in town.

    The saints owner is an asshole. Most of the city would help his ass pack. Charging what he does for the upper endzone tickets is ridiculous, he needs to sell the team if he can't afford it. The saints themselves are doing a lot of good for the city. Just ask the locals how they feel about Joe Horn for instance, and hell lets bring basketball in too. Chris Paul is doing great things as well.

    Instead of talking about it, most of us should be going down ourselves to LA and the gulf coast and helping muck out and rebuild.

    It's not just money at this point, they need people on the ground to help clean up the mess and get it right.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    In general, cities do all they can to land a professional sports franchise....they build stadiums, give free land for private stadium sites, etc.

    Cities bid on the rights to host superbowls, Olympics, All-Star games, etc.

    The city of St Louis paid millions to the Rams owner to move the team there in the 90s.

    It is a proven/accepted fact that professional/major college teams do wonders for local economies, hence, the large municipal investments.
    It is far from a proven fact that local economies achieve wonderous results from their large municipal investments.
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    http://www.sandiego.gov/chargersissues/pdf/baimcomments.pdf#search=%22do%20professional%20sports%20help%20local%20economy%22
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    1970RR wrote:
    It is far from a proven fact that local economies achieve wonderous results from their large municipal investments.
    http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/pr/97/971216stadium.html
    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=975&mode=print
    http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/june97/game2.html
    http://www.sandiego.gov/chargersissues/pdf/baimcomments.pdf#search=%22do%20professional%20sports%20help%20local%20economy%22


    while I can appreciate some people doing research, this situation is different. The Superdome is a source of inspiration for a city that needs it. Did you see the game last night? while it might not line the pockets of EVERY new orleanes resident is does help out some. for example, I own a parking lot near the United Center in Chicago. I only make money when there is a Bulls game, Blackhawks game, or concert. there is a direct correlation of me making money to the amount of use that stadium gets. The Superdome is also different then most stadiums as it hosts a number of HUGE events namely the Superbowl and Sugar bowl every few years. These events alone bring in thousands of people around the country. Hotels, resturants, bars, parking lots, retail stores, and many others all benefit from the Superdome.
  • TheVoiceInsideTheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    I think the only thing missing from yesterdays game was Bush standing in front of a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner.


    There still alot to be done in New Orleans. I wonder what ticket prices were? and if this is supposed to boost moral, i wonder how many people who lost their houses were invited to the game? i hope im wrong. if anyone has any info please post it
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    I think the only thing missing from yesterdays game was Bush standing in front of a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner.


    There still alot to be done in New Orleans. I wonder what ticket prices were? and if this is supposed to boost moral, i wonder how many people who lost their houses were invited to the game? i hope im wrong. if anyone has any info please post it


    I dont understand why people look for all the negatives on a very positive night.
  • TheVoiceInsideTheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont understand why people look for all the negatives on a very positive night.


    its a good thing dont get me wrong its just that it was over hyped. there are alot more important things to get done in NO. there are hospitals, schools, homes to be rebuild things that are much more important than a stupid sporting event.


    Im a huge soprt fan but i try not to take it too seriously. its a fucking game after all. not that important. They were talking to a fan who said that he lost it all in the hurracane and said that with the little money he had he bought season tickets. what a fucking idiot. where are your priorities?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    its a good thing dont get me wrong its just that it was over hyped. there are alot more important things to get done in NO. there are hospitals, schools, homes to be rebuild things that are much more important than a stupid sporting event.


    Im a huge soprt fan but i try not to take it too seriously. its a fucking game after all. not that important. They were talking to a fan who said that he lost it all in the hurracane and said that with the little money he had he bought season tickets. what a fucking idiot. where are your priorities?


    maybe football brings him happiness. i wouldnt say its fair to call him a fucking idiot. and in your opinion, the game was overhyped. I strongly disagree
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    while I can appreciate some people doing research, this situation is different. The Superdome is a source of inspiration for a city that needs it. Did you see the game last night? while it might not line the pockets of EVERY new orleanes resident is does help out some. for example, I own a parking lot near the United Center in Chicago. I only make money when there is a Bulls game, Blackhawks game, or concert. there is a direct correlation of me making money to the amount of use that stadium gets. The Superdome is also different then most stadiums as it hosts a number of HUGE events namely the Superbowl and Sugar bowl every few years. These events alone bring in thousands of people around the country. Hotels, resturants, bars, parking lots, retail stores, and many others all benefit from the Superdome.
    Don't forget that the Superdome hosts conventions, auto-shows and their ilk....more money, more money.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    tybird wrote:
    Don't forget that the Superdome hosts conventions, auto-shows and their ilk....more money, more money.

    YUP that too...


    but somehow people here think they shouldnt have re opened it. or spent the 185 million. whats the better idea? bulldoze it and put up a trailer park?
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