Do you believe in satan?

brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
even if your thought of him is a red creature with a pitch fork torturing people. do you?


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  • no. the notion of satan is a mythological personification to account for "evil" in the world. every mythological religious tradition uses the same formula. doesn't make him any more of a real being than phoebus apollo as a personification of the sun
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  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    ah, ok


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • brainofPJ wrote:
    ah, ok
    in what sense "ah, ok"?

    sarcastic or not?
    did i get the right answer? :D
    what?
    93: Slane
    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    in what sense "ah, ok"?

    sarcastic or not?
    did i get the right answer? :D
    what?


    no, im' sorry.

    didn't mean it that way. ok, like i understand where you are coming from :)


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • oh.
    that's nice. i like being agreed with. or at least understood
    93: Slane
    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • brainofPJ wrote:
    even if your thought of him is a red creature with a pitch fork torturing people. do you?


    After the devil's advocate I can't help but see Al Pacino.:D And of course god is Alanis Morisette.;)
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • After the devil's advocate I can't help but see Al Pacino.:D
    almost feasible
    And of course god is Alanis Morisette.;)
    thank god i'm an atheist






    sorry. i'm really, really sorry
    93: Slane
    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • dharma69dharma69 Posts: 1,275
    brainofPJ wrote:
    even if your thought of him is a red creature with a pitch fork torturing people. do you?
    The only Satan that I believe in is the one in South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut. He was hot. A bit gay but the hottest Satan there is.

    All other incarnations of the red one are just figments of the imagination and religion in general.

    It's a measure of comfort to have "something" to identify the evil with, I guess. Makes distinguishing the good and the bad that much easier. But I'm not aligned with that symbol, so my answer is no.
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  • almost feasible

    Well he is a hell of an actor.:D
    thank god i'm an atheist

    sorry. i'm really, really sorry


    What? Sorry for not liking her or sorry for being an atheist?;)
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • What? Sorry for not liking her or sorry for being an atheist?;)

    for such a bad joke.

    i'd never be sorry for loathing moose
    93: Slane
    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • Of course I do. Everytime I pay taxes I know he's around...

    My grandfather had this religious book with an old drawing of hell. It was an abyss with flying demonic creatures, shredding sinners as they fell. The outcasts cried in agony, bellow.
    I really thought I would end up there if I missed sunday school, so I took no risks.
    But it was a fascinating picture. There was pain, agony, horror, perversion. I would snatch that book just to have a good look at it. :D
  • for such a bad joke.

    i'd never be sorry for loathing moose


    Moose?

    I thought it was quite amusing.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • crislx wrote:
    Of course I do. Everytime I pay taxes I know he's around...

    My grandfather had this religious book with an old drawing of hell. It was an abyss with flying demonic creatures, shredding sinners as they fell. The outcasts cried in agony, bellow.
    I really thought I would end up there if I missed sunday school, so I took no risks.
    But it was a fascinating picture. There was pain, agony, horror, perversion. I would snatch that book just to have a good look at it. :D


    So that is why people still go to church.;)
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Moose?

    I thought it was quite amusing.

    What? "Dogma"? I thought so too. But I havent seen it in a long time.
    Moose was Alanis' nickname in a 1980s Canadian kids' sketch show called "You Can't Do That on Television". I had a crush on her then. I hate myself for that now....
    93: Slane
    96: Cork, Dublin
    00: Dublin
    06: London, Dublin
    07: London, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
    09: Manchester, London
    10: Dublin, Belfast, London & Berlin
    11: San José
    12: Isle of Wight, Copenhagen, Ed in Manchester & London x2
  • So that is why people still go to church.;)

    You bet it is! :D
    As an ex-catholic I can assure you: people loooooove the dark side! They love to pry, to have that Hell preview, as voyeurs. Fear and guilt are the best means of social control. Hell gives people the sense of a final divine Supreme Court justice, when the earthly one failed. And it makes them feel good about themselves because they will NEVER (hehe...) be part of that "sinner fallen from grace" club.
    And kids love horror stories....
    ... so, it works.
  • What? "Dogma"? I thought so too. But I havent seen it in a long time.
    Moose was Alanis' nickname in a 1980s Canadian kids' sketch show called "You Can't Do That on Television". I had a crush on her then. I hate myself for that now....


    You shouldn't beat yourself up over it. I had a crush on my ex and she turned out a bitch.:D What the fuck am I talking about that was like 9 years ago.:p Anyway I meant the joke, but Dogma was amusing to.;)
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • crislx wrote:
    You bet it is! :D
    As an ex-catholic I can assure you: people loooooove the dark side! They love to pry, to have that Hell preview, as voyeurs. Fear and guilt are the best means of social control. Hell gives people the sense of a final divine Supreme Court justice, when the earthly one failed. And it makes them feel good about themselves because they will NEVER (hehe...) be part of that "sinner fallen from grace" club.
    And kids love horror stories....
    ... so, it works.


    Join me on the dark side Luke. :D You made me think of Darth vader.

    Is there a "sinner fallen from grace" club? I must join that.:)
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Is there a "sinner fallen from grace" club? I must join that.:)

    Nah!... Don't. Beer's lausy down there. :D
  • crislx wrote:
    Nah!... Don't. Beer's lausy down there.


    Hahahaha, good thing I don't drink beer than.:D
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    brain of c wrote:
    wwsd?

    i need new glasses, i can't read your posts...

    oh well.


    Esther's here and she's sick?

    hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    no.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • I dont believe in satan. He's just an antropomorphication. (Fancy word, eh?) Means an embodiment of one or more human traits.

    But if he exists, I hope he's like Lucifer in Sandman. Selfish bastard with a rebellious streak and tons of charisma, who actually quit and closed off hell. And looking like an angel, except for his hair having a few lumps where he perhaps should have horns...

    But in real life? No. Regretfully, I believe us humans are perfectly capable of doing what we do without a paragon of evil "tempting" us to do so.

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • It would have to be Darkness from Legend though.

    I also like the idea of him being as Anne Rice does in Menoch the Devil, very good book.
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  • Satan - adversary; accuser. When used as a proper name, the Hebrew word so rendered has the article "the adversary"

    *** 07854 satan {saw-tawn'} from 07853; TWOT - 2252a; n m

    AV - Satan 19, adversary 7, withstand 1; 27

    1) adversary, one who withstands
    1a) adversary (in general - personal or national)
    *** 07853 satan {saw-tan'} a primitive root; TWOT - 2252; v

    AV - adversary 5, resist 1; 6

    1) (Qal) to be or act as an adversary, resist, oppose

    *** 02252 Chabayah {khab-ah-yaw'} or Chabayah {khab-aw-yaw'}from 02247 and 03050;; n pr m Habaiah = "Jehovah has hidden"

    *** 02247 chabah {khaw-bah'} a primitive root [compare 02245]; TWOT - 590; v
    AV - hide... 5; 5

    1) to withdraw, hide, hide oneself
    1a) (Qal) to withdraw
    1b) (Niphal) to hide oneself, remain hidden, withdraw

    Genesis 3:10, "And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


    I don't believe in the pitch fork guy. I believe that in the world of humanity, we are our own worst enemies at times.

    Sincerely,
    DKing
  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    I definitely believe in God's and Satan's existance.

    On a lighter note, if there were no Satan, we'd be missing a lot of kick ass metal songs. :D
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    After the devil's advocate I can't help but see Al Pacino.:D And of course god is Alanis Morisette.;)
    Hah! :) I agree with the pacino thing but I can't agree with alanis unfortunately...
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    fanch75 wrote:
    I definitely believe in God's and Satan's existance.

    On a lighter note, if there were no Satan, we'd be missing a lot of kick ass metal songs. :D

    Bart Simpson fter hearing about a christain rock group---"Everyone knows all the best bands are affiliated with Satan."
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • dharma69 wrote:
    The only Satan that I believe in is the one in South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut. He was hot. A bit gay but the hottest Satan there is.

    All other incarnations of the red one are just figments of the imagination and religion in general.

    Closer to the truth than you might expect....of course truth is relative here.

    The Bible speaks as Lucifer as the morning star and the angel of light and also the most beautiful creature in the The Garden (Not MSG). :)

    But then he is also the Father of Lies, an abomination, a deciever, etc.
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