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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    monkey spanker wrote:
    ^^^^i was kidding about the manoy back thing. i like reading your posts on here. and also, pearl jam and toast both kick ass.
    I know you were, I was kidding too :p

    and thanks :D

    And also, I like to spank my monkey.
    Come on pilgrim you know he loves you..

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  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    world wrote:
    Gore's movie is about as factual as Moore's movie.

    Have your read the book/watched the movie? What inaccuracies were there? Anything specific?
  • monkey spanker
    monkey spanker Posts: 283
    sourdough wrote:
    Have your read the book/watched the movie? What inaccuracies were there? Anything specific?

    i have not seen the movie, i get lied to enough with the media. no reason to pay somebody to do it. but i do know the movie poster featured a hurricane, and its pretty widely accepted that global warming (if it exists) would have no effects on hurricanes. i think gore was playing on our fears.
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    monkey spanker wrote:
    i have not seen the movie, i get lied to enough with the media. no reason to pay somebody to do it. but i do know the movie poster featured a hurricane, and its pretty widely accepted that global warming (if it exists) would have no effects on hurricanes. i think gore was playing on our fears.

    So you're judging a two hour movie and a book based on a graphic you do not like? It is not at all accepted that global warming does not effect hurriccane activity. Quite the contrary. Warming temperatures are result in a warm ocean temperature which is ingredient number 1 for hurricanes. If the ocean temperature gets warmer, hurricanes will be more intense. Ocean temperature is by far the most imporant factor in hurricane development. There is not a strong concensus yet that there will be MORE hurricanes, but there is concensus that hurricanes we have will be much stronger with warmer ocean temps. Last year was the hottest year on record and we had the highest number of hurricanes and tornadoes, along with the most intense hurricanes recorded.

    Lastly, what is your reason (scientifically) that you disbelieve global warming?
  • monkey spanker
    monkey spanker Posts: 283
    sourdough wrote:
    So you're judging a two hour movie and a book based on a graphic you do not like? It is not at all accepted that global warming does not effect hurriccane activity. Quite the contrary. Warming temperatures are result in a warm ocean temperature which is ingredient number 1 for hurricanes. If the ocean temperature gets warmer, hurricanes will be more intense. Ocean temperature is by far the most imporant factor in hurricane development. There is not a strong concensus yet that there will be MORE hurricanes, but there is concensus that hurricanes we have will be much stronger with warmer ocean temps. Last year was the hottest year on record and we had the highest number of hurricanes and tornadoes, along with the most intense hurricanes recorded.

    Lastly, what is your reason (scientifically) that you disbelieve global warming?

    i'm not judging the movie, i've never seen it. i know gore has an agenda, and i am not going to spend my money to watch propaganda. if you into that, then great. i hope you found it entertaining, i would highly recommend talladega nights. your opinions on hurricane strength, are opinions. the earth, in the past, has been far hotter than it is now. it warms, and it cools...we don't have that much of an impact. but some people need something to feel guilty about, and this feels that void.
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    monkey spanker wrote:
    i'm not judging the movie, i've never seen it. i know gore has an agenda, and i am not going to spend my money to watch propaganda. if you into that, then great. i hope you found it entertaining, i would highly recommend talladega nights. your opinions on hurricane strength, are opinions. the earth, in the past, has been far hotter than it is now. it warms, and it cools...we don't have that much of an impact. but some people need something to feel guilty about, and this feels that void.

    I actually haven't seen the movie myself, but read the book. I have criticized it so I'm not saying its gospel, but it is quite good. I've studied this in university, and all he's doing is illustrating what scientists have been saying.

    What I mentioned about hurricanes is not opinion. Its fact. If you know of other ways that hurricanes are formed than please inform me. Ocean temperature regulates the occurrence and severity of hurricanes. This is fact.

    Yes the world climate does change naturally, but it has never warmed this quickly and with the amount of gasses we pump out we are changing the composition of the atmosphere. This is what makes this different. We haven't had CO2 levels in our atmosphere this high in 650000 years and there is no other explanation for its increase than our increased use of fossil fuels.
  • monkey spanker
    monkey spanker Posts: 283
    i respect your opinion, but we'll just have to agree to disagree. hopefully you have read evidence that counters your opinions before coming to your conclusions. i honestly do recommend talladega nights, funny stuff.
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    I have read both sides, and I fully concede that there are other ways climate can change naturally, but unless you deny that the greenhouse effect is a myth as well, I don't see how you can deny the occurance of global warming. I haven't seen talladega nights, but I'll make a not of it.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i love the way op-eds write Fact and its supposed to be the truth ... i'm guessing this guy works for some PR/lobby group ...

    this guys responses are pretty weak tho ... its not really worthy of some of the other MISinformation out there ...

    edit: actually - who the frig is the author of this piece??
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    polaris wrote:
    i love the way op-eds write Fact and its supposed to be the truth ... i'm guessing this guy works for some PR/lobby group ...

    this guys responses are pretty weak tho ... its not really worthy of some of the other MISinformation out there ...

    edit: actually - who the frig is the author of this piece??

    The thing that annoys me is that there is shreds of truth taken out of context and misapplied by people who don't really understand the issue at all. I still don't understand how anybody who doesn't deny that the greenhouse effect can deny human responsibility for climate change. Kinda boggles the mind.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    You know its fact the polar ice caps are melting....your a moron if you cannot figure that out...look at pictures from 1979 to present....the change is drastic...regardless if we are the direct cause something is happening....if you wanna disagree about the cause good on ya...however to deny that something big is not happening is foolish...if more ice melts things will get really crazy...I just do not get the nay sayers...I have no problem with the disbelief that global warming is directly man made but to refute the science that a shift is occurring is pure ignorance...the evidence is everywhere and people should be concerned....however I think some cataclysmic weather would be good....maybe focus our attention and efforts onto something beneficial instead of all the war going on....

    Also to not believe that their are a built up emissions in the atmosphere is also ridiculus...I have an extensive chemistry background and yes there are tonnes upon tonnes of man made emissions in the atmosphere...how they effect it is still up in the air....

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