Israelis phone targeted buildings before air strikes

TheVoiceInside

jsand wrote:

If it were up to you, Israel would lie down, have its civilians INTENTIONALLY massacred, and then maybe you would be on Israel's side. Fuck that.

if it were up to me they would put aside their diferences and live together in peace. but seems neither is willing to do that. Why do you think that i hate irealis? because I criticize them? you want me to condem radical islam? I will....they are some crazy motherfucker who dont have any fucking regard for human life. But i will not give Israel any credit because they are as low as the crazy islamist. they just drive a fancier car.

polaris

BUSH-lager wrote:

That's a fair point. If you beleive Israel cannot acheive peace this way, fine. I can't garauntee they will. But what do you want them to do?

Seriously, if the country of Polaris had rockets pointed at it just across its border, and fired them on your civilians, and then openly stated that this will not stop until your land and all your people are destroyed.

You're just going to hope diplomacy prevails with such lunatics and continue to turn the other cheek as your countrymen are massacred?

???

- Dan

first of all - this all started with the kidnapping of two israeli soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchange ... so, its not like hezbollah started firing a bunch of rockets for no reason ... it did not need to escalate to this level of suffering ...

second of all - what if the opposing side believes that the only way to achieve peace is the extermination of the other side?? ... which is what is happening - the result is that there can be no peace ...

for sure this is a complex issue - but i believe that people who want nothing but continued instability and devastation are distorting public opinion to achieve their agenda ...

two parties who are interested in peace can reach an agreement in a matter of seconds ...

jsand

TheVoiceInside wrote:

if it were up to me they would put aside their diferences and live together in peace. but seems neither is willing to do that. Why do you think that i hate irealis? because I criticize them? you want me to condem radical islam? I will....they are some crazy motherfucker who dont have any fucking regard for human life. But i will not give Israel any credit because they are as low as the crazy islamist. they just drive a fancier car.

How exactly are they "as low"? You say that if it were up to you they would put aside their differences and live together in peace, yet you completely ignore the fact that groups like Hezbollah hate Israel because it's Jewish. They are a blatantly anti-semitic organization (not just against Israel - they are against Jews) - how do you expect Israel to live in peace with these people?

TheVoiceInside

BUSH-lager wrote:

Absolute pacifism will lead to the absence of freedom. Think about it.





- Dan

in order for me to understand that you would have to let me know wht your defenition of peace is.

jsand

polaris wrote:

first of all - this all started with the kidnapping of two israeli soldiers in the hopes of a prisoner exchange ... so, its not like hezbollah started firing a bunch of rockets for no reason ... it did not need to escalate to this level of suffering ...

second of all - what if the opposing side believes that the only way to achieve peace is the extermination of the other side?? ... which is what is happening - the result is that there can be no peace ...

for sure this is a complex issue - but i believe that people who want nothing but continued instability and devastation are distorting public opinion to achieve their agenda ...

two parties who are interested in peace can reach an agreement in a matter of seconds ...

Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel for years - just not at the level you're seeing now.

As for your assertion that if the opposing side believes the only way to achieve peace is extermination of the other side, Hezbollah's goal is to destroy Israel.

There is no distortion of Hezbollah's goals - they're pretty forthright about it.

polaris

jsand wrote:

Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel for years - just not at the level you're seeing now.

As for your assertion that if the opposing side believes the only way to achieve peace is extermination of the other side, Hezbollah's goal is to destroy Israel.

There is no distortion of Hezbollah's goals - they're pretty forthright about it.

and what is israel's goal for hezbollah?? ... the same no? ... so, you think this is a formula for peace?? ...

jsand

polaris wrote:

and what is israel's goal for hezbollah?? ... the same no? ... so, you think this is a formula for peace?? ...

Obviously its goal for Hezbollah is to destroy it. Do you expect them to negotiate with an organization whose goal is to destroy Israel because it's Jewish? What's Israel's bargaining chip, conversion to Islam?

TheVoiceInside

jsand wrote:

How exactly are they "as low"? You say that if it were up to you they would put aside their differences and live together in peace, yet you completely ignore the fact that groups like Hezbollah hate Israel because it's Jewish. They are a blatantly anti-semitic organization (not just against Israel - they are against Jews) - how do you expect Israel to live in peace with these people?

There you go again thinking that its all the other guys fault. Has it ever occured to you that there are Isrealis who wont tolerate Palestinians. Im not calling all of Isreal racist, but to think that racism doesnt exist their is like thinking it doesent exist here in the US. or anywhere in the world, its very nieve. the same goes to all those Arab nations that want to wipe out Isreal. And yes their can be peace, it has happened before...both groups just have to get over their differences and work together for it. but we know that while their are rockets going from one side to the other their will be no peace. the violence must stop.

polaris

jsand wrote:

Obviously its goal for Hezbollah is to destroy it. Do you expect them to negotiate with an organization whose goal is to destroy Israel because it's Jewish? What's Israel's bargaining chip, conversion to Islam?

i think that is an oversimplification of its mandate however, i will give you that extreme viewpoint for the sake of an understanding ... so, to your question - i say yes - negotiate ... if you truly want peace - it will be done thru negotiations not thru bombs ... but now that i see how you view the other side - i can see why you would think this is the best option ... which is too bad cuz like i said - all we're gonna see is more suffering ...

jsand

polaris wrote:

i think that is an oversimplification of its mandate however, i will give you that extreme viewpoint for the sake of an understanding ... so, to your question - i say yes - negotiate ... if you truly want peace - it will be done thru negotiations not thru bombs ... but now that i see how you view the other side - i can see why you would think this is the best option ... which is too bad cuz like i said - all we're gonna see is more suffering ...

I really don't understand your reasoning. There's no oversimplification - that's Hezbollah's stated goal - to destroy Israel - just like Hamas'. Of course there will be suffering when organizations such as this exist.

Again, how do you negotiate with an enemy that's sworn to your destruction because of your religious ancestry and beliefs?

Ahnimus

jsand wrote:

I really don't understand your reasoning. There's no oversimplification - that's Hezbollah's stated goal - to destroy Israel - just like Hamas'. Of course there will be suffering when organizations such as this exist.

Again, how do you negotiate with an enemy that's sworn to your destruction because of your religious ancestry and beliefs?

Hahaha, yea that's it, they don't like Jews.

By the way, you keep saying Hizbullah uses "human shields" yet, I haven't seen any proof.

Open

jsand wrote:

If it were up to you, Israel would lie down, have its civilians INTENTIONALLY massacred, and then maybe you would be on Israel's side. Fuck that.

Any claim you had to play the victim is out the window...I think Israel has shown it's true colors...what's sickening about it is...it's all US technology....I'm ahead i'm advanced I'll kill civilians with Americas bombs.

acutejam

Ahnimus wrote:

By the way, you keep saying Hizbullah uses "human shields" yet, I haven't seen any proof.

Check the UNIFIL (UN observers) reports, they read almost everyday: hez firing from nearby, expecting return fire from Israel any moment.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/unifilpress.htm

Boom.

sliverstain

binauralsounds wrote:

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, August 8, 2006
TEL AVIV — Israel's military has begun calling Palestinians whose homes have been targeted as terror sites in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.



Military sources said Israel had sent a telephone message to residents of a house destroyed in the northern Gaza Strip. The message warned the residents that their building would be the target of an air strike.
"There were two phone calls just to make sure they understood what we were about to do," a source said.

The sources said the method has been used in Lebanon during the current war against Hizbullah. They said Lebanese have responded to the telephoned warnings.

Mohammed Shurafa said in an interview with a Gaza radio station that he received a call from a man who identified himself as an Israel Army representative. The caller ordered the resident to leave his house.

The military has acknowledged the story. A spokeswoman said the northern Gaza house was used as a warehouse for the Islamic Jihad.

Shurafa said he and his family complied. But a few minutes later, concluding that the call was a joke, they returned. At that point, the telephone rang again.

"He said: 'Why did you return? This is not a joke,'" Shurafa recalled.

Shurafa said he and his family fled the home. Several minutes later, the house was struck by an air-to-ground missile.

On Tuesday, Palestinian gunners fired at least three Kassam-class, short-range missiles into Israel. There were no reports of injuries.

A military source?

Don't make me laugh. What another ill informed piece of zionist slanted reportage you have posted.

You have no respect at all for the near one thousand dead Lebanese in that invasion.

You have no respect for humanity whatsoever. Its sad, really.

sliverstain

jsand wrote:

I really don't understand your reasoning. There's no oversimplification - that's Hezbollah's stated goal - to destroy Israel - just like Hamas'. Of course there will be suffering when organizations such as this exist.

Again, how do you negotiate with an enemy that's sworn to your destruction because of your religious ancestry and beliefs?

Lets clarify this. Can you do this one thing for me, jsand?

Show me where any Islamic leader has stated their wish for the destruction of the Jewish people.

Do not ever confuse "People" with "The State". It seems to be a common theme in these one sided posts of yours, and in comments from our political leaders.

The State of Israel is a bastard, western enforced anomaly. Jews and Muslims, and with Arab peoples before them, lived together in peace, harmony and respect for 3000 years.

This conflict has its roots in the Zionist dream of Eretz Israel from the late 19th century.

The destruction of the state of the Israel is therefore a very valid claim. If Hezbollah, as you say, supported by Iran, as you say, wanted to wipe the jews from the earth, then maybe they would start with the Jewish members of the Iranian parliament, or the wider jewish community in Teheran.

I want the government of my country dismantled and destroyed. But I don't want one single countryman to die because of it.

Nation states are cancers on humanity, herding and shepherding mankind into little corners from where we are sent to fight and die athen procreate and consume.