Gitmo Guards Often Attacked by Detainees!!!

thankyougrandma

Just one more argument to close this hole down, i don't know what's the point of the thread though, is it to show how the detainees deserve to be there? is it a "fact" to justify the prison existence? Anyway, i just think it makes it more urgent to close it down and bring the detainees into federal building where they'll be treated accordingly (judge and trial).

RockinInCanada

thankyougrandma wrote:

Just one more argument to close this hole down, i don't know what's the point of the thread though, is it to show how the detainees deserve to be there? is it a "fact" to justify the prison existence? Anyway, i just think it makes it more urgent to close it down and bring the detainees into federal building where they'll be treated accordingly (judge and trial).

I agree.....

hailhailkc

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I first thought, though I may be wrong, that we should love thy enemy.

From what I gather from the Bible, there is a time to turn the other cheek, and a time to stand and fight. That's my interpretation.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Secondly can you lead me to disticnt passages in the Bible where the Rapture is discussed?

1 Thesselonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. There is much debate about this passage, and many varying views…pre-trib rapture, post trib rapture, etc. You know my view. It's considered "pre-trib" "Trib" as in the "tribulation period". AKA-The reign of the anti-christ on earth and all the blood and sackcloth / suffering stuff. Yes, the Bible never mentions the word "rapture", it's simply a word that references a passage and views on a certain topic found WITHIN the Bible.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

If you believe so much in the teachings of the Bible, can I hear your thoughts on interest on money. From what I have read it distincly says no usury (something like that) should be applied to money. Therefore we live in age of loans and interest, hell that's how our nations run. Does that make us all complacent in a national sin?

Money is a tool we use to live. Nothing more or less. Like anything else, if you become too greedy and materialistic with it, it becomes sinful and destructive.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Do you believe that the planet Earth was given to humans to does as they please, or as I choose to phrase it as "rape and pillage"? If we are the ultimate beings why have other planets surrounding us? What is the point? You see to me religion cannot answer common questions without cryptic respones. However I still say killing is a universal crime and from the readings I have done it should never be committed unless maybe directly threatened. Therefore these errant missles that kill those that have nothing to do with the crime, according to your logic many of servicemen belong in hell for killing innocents regardless if you are against it.

I think we are suppossed to be stewards of the Earth, and that we should protect it. It's a gift from God. I believe the Heavens (stars and moons) are there to showcase God's glory to us. Not to show off, but to show us what he has in store for us in Heaven. What he can do for us. Only God decides who goes to Heaven and Hell, because he's the only one who knows what is in our hearts and minds. I believe that murderes can be saved, and that some good people will go to hell because they never accepted Christ as their savior. Maybe those who launched errant missles will go to hell, but I don't know. I do think it's much more evil to actually TARGET innocent civilians and kill them, as oppossed to trying to AVOID civilian death, and still killing them. The result is the same, yes. However, I think the intent is vastly different, and therefore worthy of redemption.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Where do you get your faith from? How do you explain those people that are born in Papa New Guinea where they were isolated from modern civiliaztion until the past 150 years. In my understanding how could they have ever learned from the teachings of Christ...does that mean that countless generations of these peoples were destined to hell? That does not seem remotely fair. Another question I never hear an answer from on this board. If you were so correct then we obviously are all on this planet should be aware of Christ if God placed us here, however we are not which is paradoxical to me. Thousands have never even heard of religion therefore will never even have a choice to make to for or against it.

From my parents, friends, envrionment and my own life experiences. I believe that there are select groups of people who will get into Heaven "automatically". Those include people who have never heard the message of Christ, newborn children who can't understand the message, and those who are to mentally handicapped to understand his message. In other words, God will protect the weak, sick, and innocent…just like the Bible talks about.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Do you not think that religion was created to put forth answers to unknown questions? A faith to make us believe that we are the supreme beings that we believe we are (which we are not...as we are flawed beyond countless ways...we still can somehow justify killing each other which sickens me).

No. My faith doesn't build me up as a Supreme being. If anything, it has allowed me to realize how UN-supreme I really am, and to understand that Christ is the one who is supreme. I do think people seek out answers in all kinds of religions though. Kabala, Buddhism, etc.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

And no people do not fear your faith they just cannot understand your logic because to us it is filled with so many holes an elephant could fall through. You can say everything comes back just to having faith but that is not how I choose to see things. You can wait around for something to happen...Im here to make an actual difference in my shot at life.

That's fine. However, I can only choose to explain myself so many times. If you think my answers are flawed or hypocritical, then so be it.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

As for the rapture again, to me it sounds that your somewhat pleased on what is going on, am I correct? Correct me if I am wrong. For without this violence this rapture like prophecy could not occur. To be happy, if you so are, suggests to me you enjoy the violence to some level, which to me goes against your faith so blantantly it seems to be the ultimate hypocracy......

I'm not pleased about the violence. Not at all. I not surprised by it either though…because…as a Christian, I'm commanded by God and the Bible to watch for these signs and events. Why? To be prepared for Christ's return, and to spread his message to others. Pleased? No. Watchful and aware? Yes.

fanch75

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I first thought, though I may be wrong, that we should love thy enemy.

Secondly can you lead me to disticnt passages in the Bible where the Rapture is discussed?

If you believe so much in the teachings of the Bible, can I hear your thoughts on interest on money. From what I have read it distincly says no usury (something like that) should be applied to money. Therefore we live in age of loans and interest, hell that's how our nations run. Does that make us all complacent in a national sin?

Do you believe that the planet Earth was given to humans to does as they please, or as I choose to phrase it as "rape and pillage"? If we are the ultimate beings why have other planets surrounding us? What is the point?
You see to me religion cannot answer common questions without cryptic respones. However I still say killing is a universal crime and from the readings I have done it should never be committed unless maybe directly threatened. Therefore these errant missles that kill those that have nothing to do with the crime, according to your logic many of servicemen belong in hell for killing innocents regardless if you are against it.

Where do you get your faith from? How do you explain those people that are born in Papa New Guinea where they were isolated from modern civiliaztion until the past 150 years. In my understanding how could they have ever learned from the teachings of Christ...does that mean that countless generations of these peoples were destined to hell? That does not seem remotely fair. Another question I never hear an answer from on this board. If you were so correct then we obviously are all on this planet should be aware of Christ if God placed us here, however we are not which is paradoxical to me. Thousands have never even heard of religion therefore will never even have a choice to make to for or against it.

Do you not think that religion was created to put forth answers to unknown questions? A faith to make us believe that we are the supreme beings that we believe we are (which we are not...as we are flawed beyond countless ways...we still can somehow justify killing each other which sickens me).

And no people do not fear your faith they just cannot understand your logic because to us it is filled with so many holes an elephant could fall through. You can say everything comes back just to having faith but that is not how I choose to see things. You can wait around for something to happen...Im here to make an actual difference in my shot at life.

As for the rapture again, to me it sounds that your somewhat pleased on what is going on, am I correct? Correct me if I am wrong. For without this violence this rapture like prophecy could not occur. To be happy, if you so are, suggests to me you enjoy the violence to some level, which to me goes against your faith so blantantly it seems to be the ultimate hypocracy......

i find this cynism sad, but unsurprising these days. What can a man do.

To quote the movie "Walk the Line":

Record Exec to Johnny Cash: "Your fans are good wholesome Christians. They don't like you playing to criminals, felons...."

Cash: "That means they aren't really Christians."

That's it.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight.

RockinInCanada

fanch75 wrote:

i find this cynism sad, but unsurprising these days. What can a man do.

To quote the movie "Walk the Line":

Record Exec to Johnny Cash: "Your fans are good wholesome Christians. They don't like you playing to criminals, felons...."

Cash: "That means they aren't really Christians."

That's it.

I'm off to bed. Goodnight.

Im not trying to be cynical...but I think these thoughts each and everyday. I respect true Christains...ones that do not promote violence, those who love openly, etc. However it seems these Christians are getting hard to find....and for that matter those of other faiths. Where my faith is in science and evidence...I have faith in this planet...I believe we are not sub-ordinate species that cannot control the fate of ourselves and feel that we have to wait for Armagendon is fruitless....lets change the world ourselves....however each to their own I guess.....I just feel that I find myself more at peace and wanting to promote peace more than the actual religion itself that describes peace....

RockinInCanada

hailhailkc wrote:

From what I gather from the Bible, there is a time to turn the other cheek, and a time to stand and fight. That's my interpretation.



1 Thesselonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. There is much debate about this passage, and many varying views…pre-trib rapture, post trib rapture, etc. You know my view. It's considered "pre-trib" "Trib" as in the "tribulation period". AKA-The reign of the anti-christ on earth and all the blood and sackcloth / suffering stuff. Yes, the Bible never mentions the word "rapture", it's simply a word that references a passage and views on a certain topic found WITHIN the Bible.



Money is a tool we use to live. Nothing more or less. Like anything else, if you become too greedy and materialistic with it, it becomes sinful and destructive.



I think we are suppossed to be stewards of the Earth, and that we should protect it. It's a gift from God. I believe the Heavens (stars and moons) are there to showcase God's glory to us. Not to show off, but to show us what he has in store for us in Heaven. What he can do for us. Only God decides who goes to Heaven and Hell, because he's the only one who knows what is in our hearts and minds. I believe that murderes can be saved, and that some good people will go to hell because they never accepted Christ as their savior. Maybe those who launched errant missles will go to hell, but I don't know. I do think it's much more evil to actually TARGET innocent civilians and kill them, as oppossed to trying to AVOID civilian death, and still killing them. The result is the same, yes. However, I think the intent is vastly different, and therefore worthy of redemption.



From my parents, friends, envrionment and my own life experiences. I believe that there are select groups of people who will get into Heaven "automatically". Those include people who have never heard the message of Christ, newborn children who can't understand the message, and those who are to mentally handicapped to understand his message. In other words, God will protect the weak, sick, and innocent…just like the Bible talks about.



No. My faith doesn't build me up as a Supreme being. If anything, it has allowed me to realize how UN-supreme I really am, and to understand that Christ is the one who is supreme. I do think people seek out answers in all kinds of religions though. Kabala, Buddhism, etc.



That's fine. However, I can only choose to explain myself so many times. If you think my answers are flawed or hypocritical, then so be it.



I'm not pleased about the violence. Not at all. I not surprised by it either though…because…as a Christian, I'm commanded by God and the Bible to watch for these signs and events. Why? To be prepared for Christ's return, and to spread his message to others. Pleased? No. Watchful and aware? Yes.

Thanks hailhailkc I appreciate the dialogue.....

So there is no distinct relation to the rapture than in the Bible...it seems a little contrived from my point of view....I understand the entire Armagedon (Revelations) and that such...I have read the Testaments many times in my life....very good read and helps me spiritually, and that is I view them...a book on how to lead a good life and how to become a great person...that is something that i commende......to me it seems that someone thought of the rapture concept from that passage...however its legitmacy to the original author is a mystery as it is cryptic....

It still states in the Bible usury is illegal...I find it a huge hypocracy that exists within Western Civilization that obviously has its foundations built upon Christian faith....IMHO our governments perform a shoddy job in goverance and to use excuses about Biblical morality to refute homosexual marriage (for example) yet if I was to describe the legality of interest in relation to the holy texts people would laugh at me...right there it seems our nations are dictating what WE want to take from the Bible...which as I understand is still sin regardless of abuse or not.....however I am not a bank and neither are you so we I guess we are clear from this charge.....

OKay I see what you are getting at....I must admit science can put forth more answers than religion...however we have seen many times in the past how science can most definetly be incorrect..however we have discovered some eternal truths....I like to believe that science itself...the study and explaination of our existence and surroundings is simply an experimental religion....to me religion was created for man to logically comprehend our very existence...science is simply doing that but actually applying physical evidence to prove things....however both involve some sort of faith.....

Why do these people get a free pass? Why create this people to have them never understand the true faith? Why should we be tested or for that matter punished? Murderers still exist within these groups would they still be allowed a free pass?

I do also feel small in the grand scheme of universally thinking.

Just as you may not understand my logic/faith...each to their own..however I do respect you....

Cool, I was not trying to insult you by saying that you did enjoy the violence....just questioning if you did.

Later.