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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The family of a man killed in a stampede of frenzied holiday shoppers filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores Inc on Wednesday seeking unspecified damages.
Shoppers on New York's Long Island broke down doors and surged into the Valley Stream Wal-Mart at 5 a.m. on November 28, the day after Thanksgiving, known as "Black Friday," traditionally the busiest retail shopping day of the year.
And how many people went out shopping on Black Friday without incident?
This is certainly a crazy, stupid, unbelievable death...but I wouldn't condeme the human race, US citizens, and holiday shoppers as a whole for a bunch of idiots at Walmart.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The family of a man killed in a stampede of frenzied holiday shoppers filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Wal-Mart Stores Inc on Wednesday seeking unspecified damages.
Shoppers on New York's Long Island broke down doors and surged into the Valley Stream Wal-Mart at 5 a.m. on November 28, the day after Thanksgiving, known as "Black Friday," traditionally the busiest retail shopping day of the year.
Looking for cash...forget the people that actually trampled the person, let's blame the big bad corporation!!!! No one is responsible for their actions anymore.
I think as a society, somewhere in the last 10 years we've taken on the persona of just a "consumer" and have dropped the identity and emotion of "human".
Unless the revolution of buying and consuming less ever wins. It will be a win for humans and awesome loss for the corporations.
Just as our economy has become the "consumer" and the The US is about to become fucking wal-mart once we recede even more into joblessness and bad credit. Just like Wal-mart, we can't make anything for ourselves.
And how many people went out shopping on Black Friday without incident?
This is certainly a crazy, stupid, unbelievable death...but I wouldn't condeme the human race, US citizens, and holiday shoppers as a whole for a bunch of idiots at Walmart.
I think as a society we don't take responsbility for our actions.
Just look at our country, the moral fabric of our society is falling apart and as long as brain-dead reality tv programs are on and we can stuff ourselves with junk food we are a happy people.
What is sad about this wal mart death, it just shows that people really don't give a shit about others.
We Americans have become self-centered spolied children who always get thier way. Sad, but true...
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It's not your country, it's the western society with its love for overconsumption. I think this story sums up cynically what we are doing to ourselves, it's pathetic, dangerous and completely egoistical.
It's individual morons. Who the hell here in walking into a store would trample another person? Are you kidding me?
Those people should be stoned to death they are individually dragging down everyone else in thier area. If they were in the animal kingdom and not in society they would be eaten.
Who the hell rushes to buy crappy chinese goods. Stupid ass people that's who.
It's frustrating to me that there are so many incredibly stupid people in our society in general. I hope honestly that most Americans or most world peoples in general would think more of human life than killing someone by trampling them to get to anything.
These people who did this should be stoned to death... hopefully none of them are parents. IF they are, I hope the state can find someone more fit to raise their children.
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Indeed. I guess I value the life of the dead man doing more than just his job trying to protect others far more than the herd animals who trampled him.
Irony.
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Wal-Mart Sued for Wrongful Death in Worker Trampling
And here in New York, the family of a Wal-Mart worker crushed to death by a stampede of shoppers has sued the company for wrongful death. Thirty-four-year-old Jdimytai Damour was killed after a crowd of 2,000 broke down store doors and ran over him shortly before the store’s scheduled 5:00 a.m. opening Friday, the traditional start of the shopping season.
Serve them right I hope they get every penny.
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Looks like they didn't understand the meaning of Black Friday.
Watching video, the crowd was already wild way before the doors opened ... you could hear in video that they were already trying to break them down.
i feel for the family of the man that was killed, but have a hard time blaming anyone other than the fvckers who ran him over and are directly responsible for his death.
I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
Looking for cash...forget the people that actually trampled the person, let's blame the big bad corporation!!!! No one is responsible for their actions anymore.
I don't know I think the workplace, whether it is a corporation or not, should be responsible for providing its workers with a safe place to work where they aren't going to be trampled. And if the possibility of trampling is there, they should take steps to prevent it. If they didn't they are at least partially responsible for his death, but that will be up to a jury to decide.
I don't know I think the workplace, whether it is a corporation or not, should be responsible for providing its workers with a safe place to work where they aren't going to be trampled. And if the possibility of trampling is there, they should take steps to prevent it. If they didn't they are at least partially responsible for his death, but that will be up to a jury to decide.
Ah...a decent point regarding worker safety. Thanks, I'll have to think on this a bit more.
Those people should be stoned to death they are individually dragging down everyone else in thier area. If they were in the animal kingdom and not in society they would be eaten.
Who the hell rushes to buy crappy chinese goods. Stupid ass people that's who.
It's frustrating to me that there are so many incredibly stupid people in our society in general. I hope honestly that most Americans or most world peoples in general would think more of human life than killing someone by trampling them to get to anything.
hopefully none of them are parents. IF they are, I hope the state can find someone more fit to raise their children.
I bet most are Parents!
and imagine, even after they knew that someone died or was serioulsy hurt, they didnt care! It's sick! It's crazy!
YouTube has a ton of these types of vids, just type in walmart line, rush..or PS3 crowd. They are worse than animals.
It's individual morons. Who the hell here in walking into a store would trample another person? Are you kidding me?
Those people should be stoned to death they are individually dragging down everyone else in thier area. If they were in the animal kingdom and not in society they would be eaten.
Who the hell rushes to buy crappy chinese goods. Stupid ass people that's who.
It's frustrating to me that there are so many incredibly stupid people in our society in general. I hope honestly that most Americans or most world peoples in general would think more of human life than killing someone by trampling them to get to anything.
These people who did this should be stoned to death... hopefully none of them are parents. IF they are, I hope the state can find someone more fit to raise their children.
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This is almost worse than people being trampled to death at a rock concert.
Can you really compare them?
I mean with black friday, people go knowing that a store will only have a small amount of a certain product. so right from the start the customer knows that it's going to be a fight for the product. Just to save a few dollars.
It's strange. It's sick.
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I don't know I think the workplace, whether it is a corporation or not, should be responsible for providing its workers with a safe place to work where they aren't going to be trampled. And if the possibility of trampling is there, they should take steps to prevent it. If they didn't they are at least partially responsible for his death, but that will be up to a jury to decide.
Wait a minute Wal Mart is responsible totally. I once worked part time for Sam's Club graveyard and the crowd starts up from midnight or earlier. They totally know what a rush awaits them. Sam's had security with weapons on duty and the customers are told before had how they are going to file in. They did NOT allow any free for all I know I was one of those who helped keep order.
Grant we didn't have a crowd anywhere close to what happened here but still atleast we had a system. There's quite a difference in the crowd type than the Wal Mart crowd in that Sam's has quite a bit of the business customers in it's crowd. If some sort of system was in place long before had this could've easily been avoided.
I mean with black friday, people go knowing that a store will only have a small amount of a certain product. so right from the start the customer knows that it's going to be a fight for the product. Just to save a few dollars.
It's strange. It's sick.
It's the same or WORSE for a rock concert. Example like I gave earlier of The WHO show in Cincinnati, Ohio when atleast 9 people were trampled to death. Going it's ALL about getting to the front when you have a general admission concert mix in drinking of alcohol and drugs along with not enough doors opened you then have a recipe for disaster.
They are no longer general admission rush like this anymore and the same will happen to Wal Mart as in how the procedures to enter their stores on these sale days occur in the future. They are just going to have to dole out some cash first.
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Wait a minute Wal Mart is responsible totally. I once worked part time for Sam's Club graveyard and the crowd starts up from midnight or earlier. They totally know what a rush awaits them. Sam's had security with weapons on duty and the customers are told before had how they are going to file in. They did NOT allow any free for all I know I was one of those who helped keep order.
Grant we didn't have a crowd anywhere close to what happened here but still atleast we had a system. There's quite a difference in the crowd type than the Wal Mart crowd in that Sam's has quite a bit of the business customers in it's crowd. If some sort of system was in place long before had this could've easily been avoided.
It's the same or WORSE for a rock concert. Example like I gave earlier of The WHO show in Cincinnati, Ohio when atleast 9 people were trampled to death. Going it's ALL about getting to the front when you have a general admission concert mix in drinking of alcohol and drugs along with not enough doors opened you then have a recipe for disaster.
They are no longer general admission rush like this anymore and the same will happen to Wal Mart as in how the procedures to enter their stores on these sale days occur in the future. They are just going to have to dole out some cash first.
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absolutely, i completely agree. there's nothing wrong with going out with your family on these sales days... cause for the most part, people don't go to these sales because they're "idiots" or "consumer whores". most of these people do it cause it's a great way to spend time with your family... well, it may not be completely the case. we need rules to keep us on track and in line... systems to care for us. it's true everyone cares more for themselves than they care for the next person... so they rush to the doors and try to get in before anyone else. it doesn't make them bad people. it's just the scenario that is complicated. and we think, "oh, bad people. very disgusting habits. they're worse than rats." no, i don't see it that way... they just need to be more organized about these things. in this case, wal mart was responsible for keeping order in these stores ensuring the peoples safety.
i dunno, maybe i'm wrong... but i feel that it's much easier to take care ahead of the problem before anything else happens.
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absolutely, i completely agree. there's nothing wrong with going out with your family on these sales days... cause for the most part, people don't go to these sales because they're "idiots" or "consumer whores". most of these people do it cause it's a great way to spend time with your family... well, it may not be completely the case. we need rules to keep us on track and in line... systems to care for us. it's true everyone cares more for themselves than they care for the next person... so they rush to the doors and try to get in before anyone else. it doesn't make them bad people. it's just the scenario that is complicated. and we think, "oh, bad people. very disgusting habits. they're worse than rats." no, i don't see it that way... they just need to be more organized about these things. in this case, wal mart was responsible for keeping order in these stores ensuring the peoples safety.
i dunno, maybe i'm wrong... but i feel that it's much easier to take care ahead of the problem before anything else happens.
I did this overnight camp out I call it with my then with my daughter and sister some years ago. We camped out in the back of my truck with sleeping blankets games, books etc. It was fun we still talk about the experience and waited till Best Buy opened. I believe we were given numbers or yellow bands by their employees well before they opend and we lined up filed in one by one. No frenzy at all, we bought a few things and we were done in an hour. We came home and took a nap.
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Yes bad people, frenzied and focused on stuff .. BUT this is WalMarts pattern. They provide little or no security for the consumers/workers b/c it's cheaper to pay out once in a while than to have security 24/7 in their stores. If they have cameras outside, there's no one monitoring them inside. People walk out into their parking lot thinking they are covered..but no they aren't.
These stories are usually not quite so horrfic and little or no attention in the media but their spin meisters get right on it when they do.
I am in Tucson right now and a few years ago this girl was raped by a WalMart guard. She was maybe 11. The WalMart guard was an independent contractor and not directly employed by WM. WM made the case in the media that it would be un american, wrong for them to pay for her medical or therapy because the whole system would unravel. Ok they weren't quite that direct but it was the message.Oh wait, they also made it clear she was mentally handicapped and a "right" person wouldn't have let it happen to them,Ooooh.
WM's record on security is so bad, it is what communities that don't want them, use to organize against them.
It's all about the bottom line to them.
I'd say if you think you need some more stuff, buy it elsewhere.
absolutely, i completely agree. there's nothing wrong with going out with your family on these sales days... cause for the most part, people don't go to these sales because they're "idiots" or "consumer whores". most of these people do it cause it's a great way to spend time with your family... well, it may not be completely the case. we need rules to keep us on track and in line... systems to care for us. it's true everyone cares more for themselves than they care for the next person... so they rush to the doors and try to get in before anyone else. it doesn't make them bad people. it's just the scenario that is complicated. and we think, "oh, bad people. very disgusting habits. they're worse than rats." no, i don't see it that way... they just need to be more organized about these things. in this case, wal mart was responsible for keeping order in these stores ensuring the peoples safety.
i dunno, maybe i'm wrong... but i feel that it's much easier to take care ahead of the problem before anything else happens.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to the store camping out what have you. Individual people are responsible for their individual behavior. Period. If people are too stupid to behave in a manner which does not endanger other people then those people should be removed from society. It's a social contract. If people can't handle it they should go live as animals.... like animals... or in cages. Individual people knowingly trampled another individual person just doing his job... for what? They walked over him... and killed him.. they know who they are.. No 99 cent doorbuster deal is worth killing someone over. Neither is being in the first row at a concert. If you want to call it collective insanity fine. But those insane peoples decision cost a man his life and nearly killed others as well. I find that reprehensible and while the store could learn a lesson and do a better job in the future of crowd control it's a pretty sad day that these people are so mindless brainless and devoid of all rational thought that they would kill this man. No one in that group not one in their mad rush for crap stopped to help the man they trampled. Wow.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to the store camping out what have you. Individual people are responsible for their individual behavior. Period. If people are too stupid to behave in a manner which does not endanger other people then those people should be removed from society. It's a social contract. If people can't handle it they should go live as animals.... like animals... or in cages. Individual people knowingly trampled another individual person just doing his job... for what? They walked over him... and killed him.. they know who they are.. No 99 cent doorbuster deal is worth killing someone over. Neither is being in the first row at a concert. If you want to call it collective insanity fine. But those insane peoples decision cost a man his life and nearly killed others as well. I find that reprehensible and while the store could learn a lesson and do a better job in the future of crowd control it's a pretty sad day that these people are so mindless brainless and devoid of all rational thought that they would kill this man. No one in that group not one in their mad rush for crap stopped to help the man they trampled. Wow.
i understand what you're saying... but it's not that easy....i'm sure it's not as simple as you have it. just get yourself trapped in one of these situations... have 10,000 people all crowded and try and point out which one's are the bad one's from the good one's.
simply put... all there is to it... wal mart and these stores are responsible. period. but if you want to be judge and jury pointing out which one's are the bad one's saying that they're responsible for their actions and they deserve to live in cages as animals. first of all, who's to say that they actually new there was a man being trampled on the floor. there's a shitload of people. i mean, yeah, probably someone noticed him lying there and thought, "ha, you fucker stay there and die." or maybe someone did notice him and tried to help him but the people crowding the rest of the people, they simply couldn't do anything.
truth is, you don't know... you can't know, so instead find ways to avoid these types of problems. that's what i'm saying here.
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Shoppers on New York's Long Island broke down doors and surged into the Valley Stream Wal-Mart at 5 a.m. on November 28, the day after Thanksgiving, known as "Black Friday," traditionally the busiest retail shopping day of the year.
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This is certainly a crazy, stupid, unbelievable death...but I wouldn't condeme the human race, US citizens, and holiday shoppers as a whole for a bunch of idiots at Walmart.
Looking for cash...forget the people that actually trampled the person, let's blame the big bad corporation!!!! No one is responsible for their actions anymore.
Just as our economy has become the "consumer" and the The US is about to become fucking wal-mart once we recede even more into joblessness and bad credit. Just like Wal-mart, we can't make anything for ourselves.
Vicious cycle isn't it?
I think as a society we don't take responsbility for our actions.
Just look at our country, the moral fabric of our society is falling apart and as long as brain-dead reality tv programs are on and we can stuff ourselves with junk food we are a happy people.
What is sad about this wal mart death, it just shows that people really don't give a shit about others.
We Americans have become self-centered spolied children who always get thier way. Sad, but true...
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It's individual morons. Who the hell here in walking into a store would trample another person? Are you kidding me?
Those people should be stoned to death they are individually dragging down everyone else in thier area. If they were in the animal kingdom and not in society they would be eaten.
Who the hell rushes to buy crappy chinese goods. Stupid ass people that's who.
It's frustrating to me that there are so many incredibly stupid people in our society in general. I hope honestly that most Americans or most world peoples in general would think more of human life than killing someone by trampling them to get to anything.
These people who did this should be stoned to death... hopefully none of them are parents. IF they are, I hope the state can find someone more fit to raise their children.
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Indeed. I guess I value the life of the dead man doing more than just his job trying to protect others far more than the herd animals who trampled him.
Irony.
Serve them right I hope they get every penny.
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Watching video, the crowd was already wild way before the doors opened ... you could hear in video that they were already trying to break them down.
i feel for the family of the man that was killed, but have a hard time blaming anyone other than the fvckers who ran him over and are directly responsible for his death.
I don't know I think the workplace, whether it is a corporation or not, should be responsible for providing its workers with a safe place to work where they aren't going to be trampled. And if the possibility of trampling is there, they should take steps to prevent it. If they didn't they are at least partially responsible for his death, but that will be up to a jury to decide.
Ah...a decent point regarding worker safety. Thanks, I'll have to think on this a bit more.
I bet most are Parents!
and imagine, even after they knew that someone died or was serioulsy hurt, they didnt care! It's sick! It's crazy!
YouTube has a ton of these types of vids, just type in walmart line, rush..or PS3 crowd. They are worse than animals.
don't hold back paco...tell us how you really feel
oh and i agree with you 100%
Can you really compare them?
I mean with black friday, people go knowing that a store will only have a small amount of a certain product. so right from the start the customer knows that it's going to be a fight for the product. Just to save a few dollars.
It's strange. It's sick.
Wait a minute Wal Mart is responsible totally. I once worked part time for Sam's Club graveyard and the crowd starts up from midnight or earlier. They totally know what a rush awaits them. Sam's had security with weapons on duty and the customers are told before had how they are going to file in. They did NOT allow any free for all I know I was one of those who helped keep order.
Grant we didn't have a crowd anywhere close to what happened here but still atleast we had a system. There's quite a difference in the crowd type than the Wal Mart crowd in that Sam's has quite a bit of the business customers in it's crowd. If some sort of system was in place long before had this could've easily been avoided.
It's the same or WORSE for a rock concert. Example like I gave earlier of The WHO show in Cincinnati, Ohio when atleast 9 people were trampled to death. Going it's ALL about getting to the front when you have a general admission concert mix in drinking of alcohol and drugs along with not enough doors opened you then have a recipe for disaster.
They are no longer general admission rush like this anymore and the same will happen to Wal Mart as in how the procedures to enter their stores on these sale days occur in the future. They are just going to have to dole out some cash first.
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i dunno, maybe i'm wrong... but i feel that it's much easier to take care ahead of the problem before anything else happens.
I did this overnight camp out I call it with my then with my daughter and sister some years ago. We camped out in the back of my truck with sleeping blankets games, books etc. It was fun we still talk about the experience and waited till Best Buy opened. I believe we were given numbers or yellow bands by their employees well before they opend and we lined up filed in one by one. No frenzy at all, we bought a few things and we were done in an hour. We came home and took a nap.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
These stories are usually not quite so horrfic and little or no attention in the media but their spin meisters get right on it when they do.
I am in Tucson right now and a few years ago this girl was raped by a WalMart guard. She was maybe 11. The WalMart guard was an independent contractor and not directly employed by WM. WM made the case in the media that it would be un american, wrong for them to pay for her medical or therapy because the whole system would unravel. Ok they weren't quite that direct but it was the message.Oh wait, they also made it clear she was mentally handicapped and a "right" person wouldn't have let it happen to them,Ooooh.
WM's record on security is so bad, it is what communities that don't want them, use to organize against them.
It's all about the bottom line to them.
I'd say if you think you need some more stuff, buy it elsewhere.
peace
There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to the store camping out what have you. Individual people are responsible for their individual behavior. Period. If people are too stupid to behave in a manner which does not endanger other people then those people should be removed from society. It's a social contract. If people can't handle it they should go live as animals.... like animals... or in cages. Individual people knowingly trampled another individual person just doing his job... for what? They walked over him... and killed him.. they know who they are.. No 99 cent doorbuster deal is worth killing someone over. Neither is being in the first row at a concert. If you want to call it collective insanity fine. But those insane peoples decision cost a man his life and nearly killed others as well. I find that reprehensible and while the store could learn a lesson and do a better job in the future of crowd control it's a pretty sad day that these people are so mindless brainless and devoid of all rational thought that they would kill this man. No one in that group not one in their mad rush for crap stopped to help the man they trampled. Wow.
simply put... all there is to it... wal mart and these stores are responsible. period. but if you want to be judge and jury pointing out which one's are the bad one's saying that they're responsible for their actions and they deserve to live in cages as animals. first of all, who's to say that they actually new there was a man being trampled on the floor. there's a shitload of people. i mean, yeah, probably someone noticed him lying there and thought, "ha, you fucker stay there and die." or maybe someone did notice him and tried to help him but the people crowding the rest of the people, they simply couldn't do anything.
truth is, you don't know... you can't know, so instead find ways to avoid these types of problems. that's what i'm saying here.
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