Sen.Clinton and John Kerry..Why Hire them?

kenny olav

the idea of Obama hiring Clinton and Kerry to top posts makes me want to scream.
http://obamaaaaaaaa.ytmnd.com/

MrBrian

Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama's advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton's foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

Clinton would be well placed to become the country's dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

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So far I can't find much more info on it. Let's see,

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MrBrian wrote:

Hillary Clinton plans to accept the job of secretary of state offered by Barack Obama, who is reaching out to former rivals to build a broad coalition administration, the Guardian has learned.

Obama's advisers have begun looking into Bill Clinton's foundation, which distributes millions of dollars to Africa to help with development, to ensure that there is no conflict of interest. But Democrats do not believe that the vetting is likely to be a problem.

Clinton would be well placed to become the country's dominant voice in foreign affairs, replacing Condoleezza Rice. Since being elected senator for New York, she has specialised in foreign affairs and defence. Although she supported the war in Iraq, she and Obama basically agree on a withdrawal of American troops.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

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So far I can't find much more info on it. Let's see,

Secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

I imagine all the Obama supporters that couldn't stand Hillary like nails on a chalkboard are going to be thrilled.

aNiMaL

MrBrian wrote:

I guess the correct phrase to use against Obama is 'More of the Same'. Which of course was one of his top phrases used while running against McCain.

You know the first warning sign we had that Obama was no good was when he refused to support the impeachment of Bush saying that it was 'divisive' and that Bush had not done enough wrong to deserve to be impeached.

Yet Obama himself will say that Bush screwed this country. He went on and on about how much bad Bush is/was and openly went after Bush on his policies. Yet when the time came to do something about it, he backed away.

But his supporters kept silent and gave him a pass, infact they didnt even touch that topic.

Then he picks Biden, this pro Iraq war 'Bush fooled me' kinda guy. He get's a pass, then Rahm, which I dont even have the energy to type all the problems with him....But anyway, Obama gets another pass.

Of course look who he has as advisors!..and Obama still gets another pass.

Now you have Hillary and Kerry considered for another top position.

Soon Obama supporters will have to put the 'hope' away and face the reality of the situation. The reality of what they have voted for. Who they have voted for.

Impeachment is not something that is just thrown out there because of a bad president. Only two presidents in the history of US presidents have ever been impeached, and they both won their impeachment. So, as the score card shows; impeachment 0, presidents 2. My point is, I am willing to bet that Obama didn;t think the time/effort/taxation on the US was worth the return of such a process.

How is that a bad thing, considering what a colossal waste of time the Clinton impeachment was?

Anon

I don't think Hillary is a wise choice , i've already expressed my distaste to the Obama campaign about that....

Personally, i don't think our voices should stop just because we have elected President Obama. We can't just sit back and 'hope' that things do change. We have to do our best to make sure that our voices are still heard.

I sometimes get disheartened by the constant negative threads here about Obama and how he is perceived by a lot of people to be a 'failed' president before he even takes office. Why? Because it's rare to hear what these people are actually doing to make a difference themselves other than posting other peoples blogs and news reports on this board. I'd love to hear what those that are so negative towards obama are doing to make their voices heard, or how we can all work together to make it a better place for us all. Seriously. I made my voice heard when i voted for him and i won't stop there.

I voted obama for reasons which i have already mentioned numerous times and i clearly would not have voted for him and placed my trust in him unless i believed he would make a difference. I absolutely agree with some of Howard Zinn's thoughts about why we should have voted Obama. Although Howard didn't think obama represented much change, i think there is definitely going to be difference. Zinn said. ' Even though Obama does not represent any fundamental change, he creates an opening for a possibility of change, and it's up to us to make that happen.'

That's why i don't care what these people say on a message board anymore. Unless of course they are out in the 'real world', making their voice heard, then they are as bad as the people they publically ridicule and make fun of. They are doing nothing to make change happen as far as i'm concerned.

There's plenty you can do..

MrBrian

aNiMaL wrote:

Impeachment is not something that is just thrown out there because of a bad president. Only two presidents in the history of US presidents have ever been impeached, and they both won their impeachment. So, as the score card shows; impeachment 0, presidents 2. My point is, I am willing to bet that Obama didn;t think the time/effort/taxation on the US was worth the return of such a process.

How is that a bad thing, considering what a colossal waste of time the Clinton impeachment was?

Do you feel that Bush has done enough to get impeached? Because Obama does not think so. Think about it for a second.

But why even has this impeachment thing in the first place? President 2, impeachment 0

Really, is that how it works?

No matter what you do, you get away with it.

Let's also not compare the clinton reasons to the bush reasons.

aNiMaL

MrBrian wrote:

Do you feel that Bush has done enough to get impeached? Because Obama does not think so. Think about it for a second.

But why even has this impeachment thing in the first place? President 2, impeachment 0

Really, is that how it works?

No matter what you do, you get away with it.

Let's also not compare the clinton reasons to the bush reasons.

I am not sure what constitutes an impeachable offense. I think maybe he could be tried on war crimes, or crimes against humanity. But, what do I know.

jimed14

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Personally, i don't think our voices should stop just because we have elected President Obama. We can't just sit back and 'hope' that things do change. We have to do our best to make sure that our voices are still heard.

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Actually, our voices should be louder.

But, there has to be a selectiveness for it to have impact ... pissing and moaning about EVERY move he makes, no matter how small, doesn't work.

As for HRC, I hope she passes ... or it doesn't get offered ... some hope for that from Politico ...

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Team Obama, after all but offering SecState to Senator Clinton, is expressing EXASPERATION with the Clinton camp for the difficulty in getting a clean vet on President Bill Clinton’s many entanglements. “The ball is very much in her court, but the president's finances have been a major point of sensitivity from day one,” a Democratic official said. (“Day One!”) “Given that everyone's mystified by how deliberately public the Clintons have made this once secret process, the assumption is either that the Clintons are trying to use the public buzz to steamroll their way in, create a sense of inevitability that overcomes those concerns, or that it's just a matter of time before they … satisfy vetting somehow, some way. Otherwise, after all this speculation, there’ll be a permanent dark cloud hanging over her finances. … But generally the sense among the no-drama Obama world is: This is well on its way to winning best Oscar for drama.”

From the other side, a Democratic source tells me that Clinton herself is conflicted about taking the job.

Anon

jimed14 wrote:

Actually, our voices should be louder.

But, there has to be a selectiveness for it to have impact ... pissing and moaning about EVERY move he makes, no matter how small, doesn't work.

I hear you. I'm on the same page as you.