Israel to Obama- No dialogue with Iran
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JERUSALEM, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Israel said on Thursday U.S. President-elect Barack Obama's stated readiness to talk to Iran could be seen in the Middle East as a sign of weakness in efforts to persuade Tehran to curb its nuclear programme
"We live in a neighbourhood in which sometimes dialogue -- in a situation where you have brought sanctions, and you then shift to dialogue -- is liable to be interpreted as weakness," Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said, asked on Israel Radio about policy change toward Tehran in an Obama administration.
Her remarks sounded the first note of dissonance with Obama by a senior member of the Israeli government since the Democrat's sweeping victory over Republican candidate John McCain in the U.S. presidential election on Tuesday.
Asked if she supported any U.S. dialogue with Iran, Livni replied: "The answer is no."
Livni, leading the centrist Kadima party into Israel's Feb. 10 parliamentary election, also said "the bottom line" was that the United States, under Obama, "is also not willing to accept a nuclear Iran".
Obama has said he would harden sanctions on Iran but has also held out the possibility of direct talks with U.S. adversaries to resolve problems, including the dispute over Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
The West believes Iran's nuclear enrichment programme is aimed at building atomic weapons, an allegation the Islamic Republic denies.
Israel, believed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal, has said Iran's nuclear programme is a threat to its existence and that it was keeping all options on the table to stop it.
"We live in a neighbourhood in which sometimes dialogue -- in a situation where you have brought sanctions, and you then shift to dialogue -- is liable to be interpreted as weakness," Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said, asked on Israel Radio about policy change toward Tehran in an Obama administration.
Her remarks sounded the first note of dissonance with Obama by a senior member of the Israeli government since the Democrat's sweeping victory over Republican candidate John McCain in the U.S. presidential election on Tuesday.
Asked if she supported any U.S. dialogue with Iran, Livni replied: "The answer is no."
Livni, leading the centrist Kadima party into Israel's Feb. 10 parliamentary election, also said "the bottom line" was that the United States, under Obama, "is also not willing to accept a nuclear Iran".
Obama has said he would harden sanctions on Iran but has also held out the possibility of direct talks with U.S. adversaries to resolve problems, including the dispute over Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
The West believes Iran's nuclear enrichment programme is aimed at building atomic weapons, an allegation the Islamic Republic denies.
Israel, believed to have the Middle East's only atomic arsenal, has said Iran's nuclear programme is a threat to its existence and that it was keeping all options on the table to stop it.
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War probably, damn crazy is what that is.
At his first press conference in his new status, US President-elect Barack Obama hit out at the Iranian government today, accusing them of “development of a nuclear weapon” and vowing “to mount an international effort to prevent that from happening.”
The Bush Administration has long accused Iran of having nuclear ambitions, in spite of a National Intelligence Estimate last year which concluded Iran halted any such endeavors in 2003 and an IAEA which has continued to certify that none of the nuclear material for Iran’s civilian nuclear reactor has been diverted to any other use. Israel has likewise continued to insist that they are “convinced” Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb, and has left open the possibility of launching an attack.
Obama’s comments may have been directed at those of Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak during a visit with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday, intended to reassure a wary Israel that the US hostility toward Iran will not undergo any dramatic changes.
During the presidential primaries, Obama presented a more conciliatory view towards Iran, cautioning against any talk of attacking Iran and calling for direct talks with the Iranian government. Obama’s latest comments come at a time when Iranian officials seem open to reconciliation.
President-elect Obama declined to say what form this international effort against Iran would take, saying “we have only one president at a time.” His only comment was that he would move deliberately on how to respond.
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Here we go again,
Not that we're some sort of moral authority on negotiating peace...not by a long shot.
But they do, sadly. In one way or another, they do.
I mean you have a place like Israel, breaking countless number of UN resolutions, human righst violations. A record of attacks on American interests...Think Lavon affair or the USS Liberty incident.
Does it make people wonder how the US can say that they will always support Israel 100%? As Obama himself said, it's a 'special relationship' that will not end and will always be strong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
how about we just let isreal figure things out for themselves? it is obvious they do not want direct talks and diplomacy. they can just let the issue fester, which is exactly what will happen if it is not addressed. if i were president i would not let isreal's position drag us in to another war in the middle east. it seems to me that war is exactly what they want.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think you are taking Obama's comments about Iran out of context ... he didn't hit out at the Iranian govenrment ...
yes the two quotes you have above are accurate, but listen to him say it...
question begins at 2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTB09ky5ml4
He was saying the same thing the entire campaign, in the same manor, it was nothing new ... they don't want to allow Iran to build a nuclear weapon, and he's hoping that other countries will aid in this effort ...
he also said this isn't something to react to in a "knee jerk fashion" ... and, that, he still is not the president.
Again, the video is attached.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Obama says things like "a country like Iran"...now what do these things mean? What can they mean? Now add that to his talks about Israel and Israels views on this Iran issue and the picture starts to clear up a bit more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qjCy4ryPJk
even in a blurry youtube video, Lou Dobbs' teeth are as bright as the sun.
we should tap those suckers for some clean energy.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Obama should say fuck you to Israel really soon in his term (after he takes office obviously) - like by effectively talking with Iran. That would make things clear.
never happen! he's a Zionist boot licker just like McCain or Bush before him.
It sure seems that way. Obama is going to take us there, whether HE wants to or not. I'm certain of it. What Obama wants, and aspires to, with regards to foreign policy is 99% inconsequential, and fluff. He will do what he is told to do.
Yes. The US should even go so far as to put hard headed zionists is positions of power in it's own govt, so that nobody even knows whether it's the US or Israel making it's policies anymore.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Yeah, I can...h-i-p-o-c-r-i-s-y....you, apparently, can't. Sorry, I had to do it
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How does one "get out as carefully as they did going in" ?!?!! "Going in" was dropping massive explosive devices on nuclear reactors...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Having said that, we still have to protect our own interests, and if that means laying the groundwork for some meaningful diplomacy with Iran for the sake of preserving Isreal and what democracy there is in the Middle East, then we should do that. If it means isolating Iran into submission, then we should do that.
If Isrealis think that talking means we're gonna let Iran "wipe Isreal off the map" they're not thinking clearly. Any notion to the contrary is fear-mogering in the face of the record, and that pretty much sucks. Which means we have to take their words with a grain of salt and lead this thing the way we see fit.
We believe in freedom at any price, not peace at any price. Big difference.
I hope those nations who wish "death to Isreal" don't see diplomatic efforts as weakness. That would be a terrible mistake which would cost them dearly.
h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y(?)
we all do it.
PRESS TV
Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has warned the US vice president-elect against changing the Bush White House policies toward Iran.
“It is of the utmost importance that we keep up our coordination against the Iranian threat because time is not on the side of the moderates,” the ministry quoted Livni as saying in a telephone conversation with Senator Joe Biden on Monday.
Her remarks come amid speculation that president-elect Barack Obama would engage Iran in direct negotiations over the country’s nuclear program
Tel Aviv, the sole possessor of a nuclear arsenal in the Middle East, has long alleged that Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon, while arguing that the use of military force is a legitimate option in halting the Iranian program.
“We don’t rule out any option. We recommend others don’t rule out any option either,” said Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak on Friday
he also talks about israelis having to be scared for themselves everytime they and their kids get on a bus....which the reality is the israelis have killed more palesitinian kids in a few months than palestinians killed total israelis in the past 5 or 6 years!
maybe obama needs better advisors...oh wait, everyone says his advisors don't matter
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
his chief of staff's served in the israeli military and his dad was a member of a militant zionist group in palestine , i doubt there's much chance of that
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Superpowers don't get dragged into wars...they only create them.
Not as many people care about poor kids so much....the son of some farmer...big deal. When one of them is killed, it's not such a big deal as in Israel where a more important (wealthier) kid gets killed...the son or daughter of a teacher, lawyer, dentist etc...
All the media needs to do is run a daily total of deaths on each side with the occasional pictures to show everyone exactly what's up, and so people can see and judge for themselves.
And Israel controls what goes in and out, and who goes where.
even reporters
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m48697&hd=&size=1&l=e
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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You're kidding right?
was that sarcasm?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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True, but who controls the superpower? In this case, who controls America?
I mean imagine, if you are running for president of the United States, if you dare not support Israel 100%, you have no chance of winning.
Why would people running for Presient need to run to AIPAC and give them blowjobs?...
It's hard to imagine anyone running for President and being critical of Israel and still have a chance of winning.
It's very strange and makes one wonder, who controls who.