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For Immediate Release
May 1, 2007
ALA joins anti-National ID Campaign
WASHINGTON — The American Library Association (ALA) has joined a large and diverse group of 43 organizations to launch a campaign against the first national identification system, REAL ID.
The groups joining in the anti-National ID campaign are concerned about the increased threat of counterfeiting and identity theft, lack of security to protect against unauthorized access to the document's machine readable content, increased cost to taxpayers, diverting of state funds intended for homeland security, increased costs for obtaining a license or state issued ID card, and because the REAL ID would create a false belief that it is secure and unforgeable.
“There are serious privacy and security issues with the REAL ID Act,” said Loriene Roy, ALA President-Elect. “ALA has expressed deep concern about standardized machine-readable driver's licenses and national identification cards because of the potential privacy implications for library users, as well as the increased potential for identity theft for all individuals.”
Under the REAL ID Act, states and federal government would share access to a vast national database that could include images of birth certificates, marriage licenses, divorce papers, and more, including detailed information on the name, date of birth, race, and Social Security Number for more than 240 million individuals, with no requirements or controls on how this database might be used.
The draft regulations to implement the REAL ID Act are open for comment until 5:00 p.m. EDT on May 8, 2007. Please take action by submitting comments against the fundamentally flawed national identification scheme, under Docket No. 2006-0030. To make comments go to http://www.regulations.gov/ or send by fax to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS): 1-866-466-5370. Be sure to include docket number listed above.
The federal government has said the Real ID Act is needed to help fight terrorism. But the Senate committee's chairman, state Sen. Rick Metzger, D-Welches, called it a huge states' rights issue.
"This is the federal government infringing on the sovereignty of the state of Oregon for issues that are traditionally state-mandated," he said. "It is an unfunded and unjustified mandate."
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/LEGISLATURE/704300335
Final regulations are scheduled to be released later this year, giving states until May 2008 to comply. On Tuesday, critics accused federal officials of trying to fast-track implementation of the law, which was tucked into a military spending bill in 2005, and asked for a delay in implementation.
State officials want the federal government to provide states with money for the massive undertaking. Valverde said the proposed regulations would add 2.5 million visits to DMV field offices and cost the state $500 million to $700 million over five years to comply.
http://www.privacycoalition.org/stoprealid/
May 1, 2007
ALA joins anti-National ID Campaign
WASHINGTON — The American Library Association (ALA) has joined a large and diverse group of 43 organizations to launch a campaign against the first national identification system, REAL ID.
The groups joining in the anti-National ID campaign are concerned about the increased threat of counterfeiting and identity theft, lack of security to protect against unauthorized access to the document's machine readable content, increased cost to taxpayers, diverting of state funds intended for homeland security, increased costs for obtaining a license or state issued ID card, and because the REAL ID would create a false belief that it is secure and unforgeable.
“There are serious privacy and security issues with the REAL ID Act,” said Loriene Roy, ALA President-Elect. “ALA has expressed deep concern about standardized machine-readable driver's licenses and national identification cards because of the potential privacy implications for library users, as well as the increased potential for identity theft for all individuals.”
Under the REAL ID Act, states and federal government would share access to a vast national database that could include images of birth certificates, marriage licenses, divorce papers, and more, including detailed information on the name, date of birth, race, and Social Security Number for more than 240 million individuals, with no requirements or controls on how this database might be used.
The draft regulations to implement the REAL ID Act are open for comment until 5:00 p.m. EDT on May 8, 2007. Please take action by submitting comments against the fundamentally flawed national identification scheme, under Docket No. 2006-0030. To make comments go to http://www.regulations.gov/ or send by fax to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS): 1-866-466-5370. Be sure to include docket number listed above.
The federal government has said the Real ID Act is needed to help fight terrorism. But the Senate committee's chairman, state Sen. Rick Metzger, D-Welches, called it a huge states' rights issue.
"This is the federal government infringing on the sovereignty of the state of Oregon for issues that are traditionally state-mandated," he said. "It is an unfunded and unjustified mandate."
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/LEGISLATURE/704300335
Final regulations are scheduled to be released later this year, giving states until May 2008 to comply. On Tuesday, critics accused federal officials of trying to fast-track implementation of the law, which was tucked into a military spending bill in 2005, and asked for a delay in implementation.
State officials want the federal government to provide states with money for the massive undertaking. Valverde said the proposed regulations would add 2.5 million visits to DMV field offices and cost the state $500 million to $700 million over five years to comply.
http://www.privacycoalition.org/stoprealid/
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...I can't remember the name of the law that gives the fedl govt power over the states (supremacy doctrine or something like that) but I don't think that it gives the fedl govt every power. States like Oregon still have some sovereignty amongst themselves, which Rick Metzgfer is explaining.
Oregon should decide how to ID it's citizens, not the fedl government.
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and I don't even believe in all that Mark of the Beast stuff.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hey, it's better than putting a microchip in our arms with all our info, I hear that ones still a min of 10 years away.
I don't see how National Identification cards are going to stop terrorist. Not only that, but aren't they mostly accusing Iraqis as being terrorists? Why are they attacking the American people with this?
All I have to say is stay alert.
i'm in asian right now, and i haven't heard anyhtign about the chips....
Be very cautious of the "see! look how much it will help you!!" approach. It's usually a disguise for an alternate thought process. Eyes open. But like they're even asking permission to do anything anymore these days.
Stand in line...bend over when it's your turn...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yeah....I'll gouge that thing out with a rusty razor if I have to.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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well I was kinda being sarcastic, I mean none of those ideas (chips or ID cards like that) are good.
also, I'm guessing that they'll probably have some sorta GPS signal in the chips, so they'll always know your location. haha! would suck.
But I think thats all a long time away, but then again I did read that mexico started testing them out.
i'll have to search for those articles, but I think the company who makes the chips is called "VeriChip"
Wooo sexual harassment.
Why do they need all this fucking information on us? It's ridiculous... ah don't get me started on conspiracy theories :eek:
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Drivers Licenses. You hand a cop your driver's license and he/she goes back to the car and in 2 mins knows your whole record. It's just that there are 50 different drivers licenses.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
And you only have to carry it when you're driving... or for stuff that requires photo ID
Does a national ID not mean you'd have to carry it ALL the time? Whatever happened to anonymity? Once we're all happy with ID cards, they'll suggest we ditch them and insert a chip so WE can simply be scanned
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Do you have any form of official ID? My point is that if you do, then you already have the same thing as this national ID....just that it standardizes them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
A passport has its uses as does a driving licence... what can a national id do that these already can't?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
So a passport is your ONLY form of ID? You don't have to show anything when getting into bars or buying items with a check or credit card, or registering a vehicle, etc. etc.?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I am pretty much libertarian on privacy issues, but I don't really see the huge deal about this either.
The DMV has my info, driving record, social security number, etc... combine that with my passport, and if the police or government want something, I'm sure it's just a computer search away.
I do have 2 issues with the Real ID act:
1) It seems like an unfunded mandate... The National Conference of State Legislatures is saying that it will cost $11 billion for the states to comply... I just see a lot of the burden and expense falling on the states for something that they don't really want/need.
2) If they have some sort of RFID readable chip in them or something... this could be easily scanned and decrypted without the card carrier ever knowing. This could be done by the gov't or some identity theft hacker.
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Well, if you were in America (which is what we're talking about here anyway), you'd be the exception rather than the rule. I can't think of too many people that do not have SOME form of ID that a government can already search (and your passport qualifies for that anyway).
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
know1 my passport is my world literally... I'm willing to give up that little bit of me so I can travel all over the place. Why should I need a card just to walk along the street though? Or go shopping? Or go drinking? How far will YOU let them go before you think 'woah, they're not doing that to me?'. Honestly, just curious, do you think every suggestion a government makes to take away our freedom is for the good of the people? Do you REALLY think they care that much about us? So really I would like to know... where is your limit?
If they arrest you and tear your life to shreds because your dna was found at a crime scene even though you had nothing to do with it... would you just shrug your shoulders and say 'well I've nothing to hide so I'm happy to help with your investigation'??? Once they have everyones DNA there's very little they can't do or control.
See... I know an ID card seems like very little but THEN what? They they suggest chips in EVERYONE and people will agree and say 'well I've nothing to hide', then there's another attack and suddenly they've invented this thing they can insert in your brain that will prevent you from committing a crime and everyone will say 'ah yeh, that's a good idea... I've nothing to hide but it will stop all the bad people'. I don't get it... if you've nothing to hide they've no reason to go that far. We're all entitled to our personal freedom and once the governments start intruding in that... well then we're pretty fucking fucked... but the people will go along thinking it's a good idea and thinking it's giving them 'freedom' :eek: . Sometimes I just want to shake them.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you