Israel adds 2 nuclear-capable submarines

MrBrian

JERUSALEM - With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts say Israel is sending a clear message to Iran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons.

The new submarines, built at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany footing one-third of the bill, have propulsion systems that allow them to remain submerged for longer periods of time than the three nuclear-capable submarines already in Israel's fleet, the Jerusalem Post reported.

The Iranians would be very foolish if they attacked Israel," Beaver said.

Israel, operating on a policy of nuclear ambiguity, has never confirmed or denied whether it has nuclear weapons. It is believed, however, to have the world's sixth-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, including hundreds of warheads.

In Germany, members of two opposition parties criticized the deal. Winfried Nachtwei, national security spokesman for the Greens, said the decision was wrong because Germany had obtained no guarantee the submarines would not be used to carry nuclear weapons.

This red line should not be crossed," Nachtwei was quoted as saying by the taz newspaper. "Otherwise it is a complete renunciation of Germany's policy of non-proliferation."

Ahnimus

Woohoo nuclear holocaust!!! /sarcasm

Commy

So apparently its ok for Israel to go all out with its nuclear program but when Iran does it is an open act of hostility. ok.

So much for a safer world I suppose.

prljam85

Commy wrote:

So apparently its ok for Israel to go all out with its nuclear program but when Iran does it is an open act of hostility. ok.

So much for a safer world I suppose.

Israel is preparing incase Iran does attack them with a nuke like Irans prez has already stated he would do. if your going to criticize any nation it should be iran. iran is the nation determined to start a nuclear war in the middle east-not Israel.

MrBrian

prljam85 wrote:

Israel is preparing incase Iran does attack them with a nuke like Irans prez has already stated he would do. if your going to criticize any nation it should be iran. iran is the nation determined to start a nuclear war in the middle east-not Israel.

please provide some information on Ahmadinejad saying that he want's to nuke israel.

prljam85

MrBrian wrote:

please provide some information on Ahmadinejad saying that he want's to nuke israel.

"The occupation regime of qods (jerusalem, or Israel) must be wpied off from the map of the world, and with the help of the almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism." "to those who doubt, to those who ask is it possible, or those who do not believe, I say accomplishment of a world without America and Israel is both possible and feasible." - Irans President Ahmadinejad

Safa Haeri, "Iran on Course for a Showdown," Asia Times Online, October 28,2005

It has also been reported by the Washington times and Aljazeera that Ahmadinejad was identified as one of the 1979 US Embassy captors.
we're not talking about a man with good ambitions, Ahmadinejad is a major threat to the US and Israel.

MrBrian

prljam85 wrote:

"The occupation regime of qods (jerusalem, or Israel) must be wpied off from the map of the world, and with the help of the almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism." "to those who doubt, to those who ask is it possible, or those who do not believe, I say accomplishment of a world without America and Israel is both possible and feasible." - Irans President Ahmadinejad

Safa Haeri, "Iran on Course for a Showdown," Asia Times Online, October 28,2005

It has also been reported by the Washington times and Aljazeera that Ahmadinejad was identified as one of the 1979 US Embassy captors.
we're not talking about a man with good ambitions, Ahmadinejad is a major threat to the US and Israel.

He's calling for an end to zionism and the occupation, You said that ahmadinejad said that he's going to attack israel with a nuke,"incase Iran does attack them with a nuke like Irans prez has already stated he would do", firstly, how silly would that be? If you look on a map, a nuke over israel would not just kill israelis, so as crazy as he may be, I don't think he's stupid enough to nuke israel. What's stupid is people thinking that would happen.

also zionism must end, so should americas current foreign policy. I have no problems with that. Infact I myself believe that those accomplishments are both possible and feasible. Israel and america thinking that it can continue it's ways of aggression is what I find to be amusing.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

Woohoo nuclear holocaust!!! /sarcasm

be one hell of a bbq.
could someone bring the salad please.

PaperPlates

catefrances wrote:

be one hell of a bbq.
could someone bring the salad please.

Waiter, there's a grape leaf in my salad.

prljam85

MrBrian wrote:

He's calling for an end to zionism and the occupation, You said that ahmadinejad said that he's going to attack israel with a nuke,"incase Iran does attack them with a nuke like Irans prez has already stated he would do", firstly, how silly would that be? If you look on a map, a nuke over israel would not just kill israelis, so as crazy as he may be, I don't think he's stupid enough to nuke israel. What's stupid is people thinking that would happen.

also zionism must end, so should americas current foreign policy. I have no problems with that. Infact I myself believe that those accomplishments are both possible and feasible. Israel and america thinking that it can continue it's ways of aggression is what I find to be amusing.

your right it does sound foolish but i dont think a country that wants to wipe Israel off the map and vision a world without Israel and America should have nukes. it seems like more of a risk to allow a radical Islamic state like Iran to have nukes where they could use it against Israel or find its way into the hands of terrorists.

MrBrian

prljam85 wrote:

your right it does sound foolish but i dont think a country that wants to wipe Israel off the map and vision a world without Israel and America should have nukes

and what about a country that has used nukes (america) and a country/state that threatens to use them (israel). should they have them?

The obvious answer is no. But If you feel otherwise, please, let me know.

and again, it's more about Iran wanting to wipe american policy and israeli aggression off the map, perhaps in the same way america goes country to country trying to wipe other leaders and countries off the map to fit what/how they want things.

should I list the amount of times this has happened? where america or israel by proxy has done this? But I don't this this site has enough bandwidth? for it.

even flow?

Anybody else find it kind of ironic that the Germans are more or less giving Israel a weapon that could lead to the destruction of another race of people. Fucking funny shit that this world can produce.

rebornFixer

Hey ... As long as Iran keeps posturing, we are going to see Israel (and the U.S.) placing a greater emphasis on nuclear weaponry. That's how it happens.

rebornFixer

MrBrian wrote:

and what about a country that has used nukes (america) and a country/state that threatens to use them (israel). should they have them?

The obvious answer is no. But If you feel otherwise, please, let me know.

and again, it's more about Iran wanting to wipe american policy and israeli aggression off the map, perhaps in the same way america goes country to country trying to wipe other leaders and countries off the map to fit what/how they want things.

should I list the amount of times this has happened? where america or israel by proxy has done this? But I don't this this site has enough bandwidth? for it.

Right ... Hiroshima somehow gets spun into Israel not having nuclear weapons.

MrBrian

reborncareerist wrote:

Right ... Hiroshima somehow gets spun into Israel not having nuclear weapons.

No bro, don't mix it up, we are talking about countries that already have nukes and are aggressive and threaten other countries, I simply pointed out that america has used them, what right to do they have lecturing Iran on nukes? also Israel has made it's own bed, Israeli nukes won't stop countries from hating israel, israel stopping it's aggression towards the palestinians may.

Israel can buy every weapon in the world, what good will it do? not much really.

rebornFixer

MrBrian wrote:

No bro, don't mix it up, we are talking about countries that already have nukes and are aggressive and threaten other countries, I simply pointed out that america has used them, what right to do they have lecturing Iran on nukes? also Israel has made it's own bed, Israeli nukes won't stop countries from hating israel, israel stopping it's aggression towards the palestinians may.

Israel can buy every weapon in the world, what good will it do? not much really.

Similarly, though, what good is Iran's posturing going to do? What, you think they are simply sticking up for Palestinians? That's just as bad as arguing that the U.S. is simply looking out for the best interests of Iraqis by building a democracy over there. Iran wants to become the top regional power in the Middle East. To do so, they need some nukes to back up the bluster. Palestine is just their most recent excuse. Historically, Persians and Arabs loathe one another. Only now, Iran needs some kind of flashpoint issue in order to flex its muscle. Supplying terrorists in Lebanon with weapons, giving lip service to the Palestinian "cause" ... It is all politics. I am not sure why it is OK to be completely cynical about American motives but actually buy into Iran's assertion that it is some kind of altruistic state. Right ... So altruistic that they think the Nazis were on the right track.

MrBrian

reborncareerist wrote:

Similarly, though, what good is Iran's posturing going to do? What, you think they are simply sticking up for Palestinians? That's just as bad as arguing that the U.S. is simply looking out for the best interests of Iraqis by building a democracy over there. Iran wants to become the top regional power in the Middle East. To do so, they need some nukes to back up the bluster. Palestine is just their most recent excuse. Historically, Persians and Arabs loathe one another. Only now, Iran needs some kind of flashpoint issue in order to flex its muscle. Supplying terrorists in Lebanon with weapons, giving lip service to the Palestinian "cause" ... It is all politics. I am not sure why it is OK to be completely cynical about American motives but actually buy into Iran's assertion that it is some kind of altruistic state. Right ... So altruistic that they think the Nazis were on the right track.

Believe me, I don't think for a second that iran cares that much about the palestinian cause, nevertheless I do also think iran is a problem, just like israel and america.

I'm not on the side of iran, I just also don't side with the US.

my2hands

"in a nuclear world, war itself is the true enemy" denzel washington

catefrances

even flow? wrote:

Anybody else find it kind of ironic that the Germans are more or less giving Israel a weapon that could lead to the destruction of another race of people. Fucking funny shit that this world can produce.

maybe they're hoping that the job hitler started will finally get finished.

and why does germany have subs anyway?

also, please define race for me. of what race do you speak?

Commy

C4Lukin wrote:

It is fine because Israel is the good guys, and Iran is that ignorant fuck who lives down the street and rapes your dog.

Intersting point of view, given Israel's history of invasion and occupation of Lebanon..while Iran hasn't done much since it freed itself from US hegemony. Seems Israel is the terror state, if you look at facts and numbers and all those annoying little details.

Truthmonger

I think its hilarious that the U.S./Israel go nuts on Iraq b/c it isn't forthcoming about its nuclear program, when Israel won't let the IAEA scrutize its nuclear weapons, and won't even admit that it has nuclear weapons !! In that regard, Iran has been more honest than Isreal has. Personally, I'm sick of Israel and the fucking games that are being played. If you want to own nukes in this day and age, the very least you can do is have them monitored. Oh right, I forgot, Israel is special.