The Legacy of George W Bush
MrBrian
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Let's fast Forward Iraq 100 years....Say it's stable, no say it's booming, it's once again a land of art and science. Hey, thrown in that it has a Disneyworld too. yeah why not?
Does it mean that W was right? That the war in Iraq was the right choice?
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Because this is what many people are asking, say Iraq turns good. Which can happen, countries can turn itself around very easily.
Look at India, it had british rule,wars...cows walk the streets, yet it's getting a Forunla 1 street race and everythings booming. Life is getting good.
But the question for Iraq is, does it make Americas choice for war, correct? Will the "mistake war" turn into the "right war"? I have a feeling that American history books of the future will read that it was America that liberated Iraq and helped it reach whatever good things it may achieve in the future.
And these books will ignore the fact that Iraq was capable of doing these things on it's own, without Americans 'help' and without having America destroy so many lives in the process and that the purpose of the war had nothing to do with freedom and whatever else to begin with.
Imagine, 100 years from now...Bush is the American Hero
Does it mean that W was right? That the war in Iraq was the right choice?
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Because this is what many people are asking, say Iraq turns good. Which can happen, countries can turn itself around very easily.
Look at India, it had british rule,wars...cows walk the streets, yet it's getting a Forunla 1 street race and everythings booming. Life is getting good.
But the question for Iraq is, does it make Americas choice for war, correct? Will the "mistake war" turn into the "right war"? I have a feeling that American history books of the future will read that it was America that liberated Iraq and helped it reach whatever good things it may achieve in the future.
And these books will ignore the fact that Iraq was capable of doing these things on it's own, without Americans 'help' and without having America destroy so many lives in the process and that the purpose of the war had nothing to do with freedom and whatever else to begin with.
Imagine, 100 years from now...Bush is the American Hero
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There are other dictators in this world that could be removed from power and it would cause a lot of good but it still doesn't make it our fight.
It's not the US job to free every oppressed nation because it would be a never ending battle.
I do hope Iraq turns out this way and that it becomes a peaceful society, but it would still wouldn't make Bush right for getting us into this war.
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A lot will depend upon the events that occur in the 92 years between 2009 and 2103 that will not be decided by George W. Bush.
Hail, Hail!!!
Maybe in a way it can (though not really reasoned), Many developments came around during world war 2, in a strange way setting Germany up to be where it is now (perhaps not directly linked to the invasion of Poland). Germany of course did a huge amount of work in between now and then to get to where they are. It was of course not Hitler that did it, but rather the brain power of the German companies. some sadly were involved with him.
But also Hitler is not looked to as a hero,obvioulsy thats a good thing. But Bush has a chance to fall into the class of hero if things were to get good and not that he deserves it, of course.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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probably not, seeing as how thousands of dead Iraqis were left to rot, rather than even given a burial.
I get where you're coming from... like Seward... (the Secretary of The Interior?)... that made the Alaskan Purchase... or was it the Louisiana Purchase... anyway, the guy was chastised by the American Public in his day for spending tax dollars in that manner (even though Congress had to ratify the treaty that closed the deal).
Things turned out pretty good in that deal.
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Bush... on the other hand... we will have to weigh the costs of his decisions over the coming decades. The costs in human lives and U.S. tax dollars.
Right now, there are too many varibles in the equation. Iraq may indeed become a booming success... but, success can be defined as an Iraq/Iran Shi-ite bloc state with oil revenues and nuclear capabilities, a strong military, economy and maintaining it's fundamentalist religious roots. Defined as a success depending on which side of the fence you are standing.
Hail, Hail!!!
Bush will never be looked upon as a hero, atleast by me, and he will never be right.
And if you think I'm wrong, feel free to write graffiti all over my tombstone.
No dude, like I said, if it were to be like it once was. Great in the arts and science. You know the history right? I did not mean "booming" as in bloodthirsty corporations. I just added the Disneyworld as a joke to paint a pretty picture of what is the opposite of war and darkness. Of course knowing full well that Disney is a giant corp and uses child labor and hidden sexual themes in it's children movies. so it's all good.
Puff Puff pass pass
Yep of course. I guess success in terms of being on the other side of where it is now. Low crime,high birth rate. An overall good place to be. Also a country that contributes to the rest of the world. Like Germany has it's engineering for example and Denmark has ummm, lego. Well you get what i'm saying anway.
I completely get where you're coming from.
But, I still think that catalyst and outcome depend upon action.
Just as Hitler cannot stake claim on Germany's success today by starting the ball in motion that lead to events that have contributed to the outcome. The success lies in the actions and decisions that were made by people after the war.
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I hope Iraq turns out to be great... but, I believe it has to do so with Iraq's bests interests at the head of the list, not America's best interests.
Hail, Hail!!!
They would not be capable of doing it alone. They were scared shitless of Sadam and his sons. Those sons were worse then he was. Are you serious? you think the people of Iraq would have stood up tp him and said they were not gonna take it? Hell no!
I don't know what the right answer is but I do know that that country would have never turned around while that family was ruling it. Never.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
or the victory of the allied forces and rebuilding of Germany... Japan as well... i think an argument could be made
The fish and insects will be sooo grateful...in a billion years when they learn archeology.
We'll be their heroes...
yaay....
see it works...logic!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and today... does the German history books and/or the German people revere Adolph Hitler as a great German Hero?
Hitler is surely a great historic figure... with the adjective 'great' meaning having a widespread influence on world events of his time... and ensuing events as a result of his actions.
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Bush **could** have cemented a positive Iraq legacy by making other decisions and reactions to events that resulted in his initial actions and would have paved the way towards a stable Iraq... but he did not. I believe his legacy will be getting us into Iraq and his dirty politics (as time reveals truths) and it will be a future President's legacy as the one who fixed the problem and righted the ship America.
Hail, Hail!!!
Would it make the war worth it? Yeah, maybe.
I'd say if Iraq in 100 years is, basically, Sweden ... instead of a brutal, destructive volatile dictatorship under the bloodthirsty watch of Uday Hussein's grandsons, one that every few years is threatening to plunge the Middle East into chaos ... Well, I think the "Sweden scenario" is better for everyone involved not named Hussein -- for Iraq, for the world, and for the United States.
Of course, I -- like everyone else -- have my doubts as to whether this grand utopia will actually come to fruition. But if it does ...
for the least they could possibly do