Maybe so, but I don't think Iraq and Afghanistan are the same kettle of fish. I view the former as an example of "American extremism", and the latter as a legitimate attempt to deal with the source of the people who woke the sleeping giant on 9-11. I like to think that's why Canadians choose to stay the hell out of Iraq, but help out in Afghanistan. Like I said earlier, I'm not too sure what the right balance of military and humanitarian action is in this case. I will say that we aren't exactly in the midst of World War III. Canadian involvement has been pretty focused and specific.
So are proud of Jean then? He is the reason we are not in Iraq....and for that matter we would have been if a so called other leader was...I am not politically fear mongering (Im sick of that)...but its the truth based on his previous comments....
I think what I believe has never even been attempted because peaceful solutions are viewed as either weak or too time consuming when compared to a an offensive mission bent on killing the enemy one by one....
I propose leaving and help developing the nation to a proper democracy through diplomacy and leave the people of the nation to deal with the real enemy when they see what good the West can really do....when they see the good that comes and not death & destruction the people of the country will yearn for more of the "free" life and will do their best to eliminate those that want to take it away....right now they see no freedom..I laugh at the likes of Bush & Harper proclaiming freedom in that nation....there is no freedom they live in a god forsaken war zone....they have no clue what real freedom is...its time to stop pretending they do and we must help bring up a government diplomatic style instead of military style.....
There are times for military means (eg. WW2) and then there are times for creative and alternative solutions (dealing with a small band of nuts)....we spend too much time militarily destroying a country where the majority of its inhabitats have nothing to do with the nuts...yet they get punished not only by their original oppressor's but by those that wish to free them....its such a wretched strategy that I really cannot believe our governments have not figured out it will never work.....yet we continue down the same road believing it will work....
I think the fear comes in when one contemplates the possibility of another attack while we wait for diplomacy and more peaceful means to work. I don't know ... They didn't know what freedom was back before the invasion, and they still don't know.
So are proud of Jean then? He is the reason we are not in Iraq....and for that matter we would have been if a so called other leader was...I am not politically fear mongering (Im sick of that)...but its the truth based on his previous comments....
Jean is an asshole, but he made the right choice regarding Iraq. He did. Yet he did help out during the initial attack on the Taliban. He viewed the two situations as different, at least in some ways.
And honestly, we cannot say what truth is based on conjecture and a future that will never be. I know he said it, but saying it and doing it are completely different things. We aren't in Iraq now, and that was the fear around voting for Harper.
I think the fear comes in when one contemplates the possibility of another attack while we wait for diplomacy and more peaceful means to work. I don't know ... They didn't know what freedom was back before the invasion, and they still don't know.
Peace has set-backs and bumps....but further war will only promote further war...I would be a complete fool to believe if we took peaceful action that everything would be roses and sunshine...it wouldn't there still would be bloody attacks BUT over time they will decrease as we show more economic support for a democratic led country and show we are not the ones killing innocents......
The whole "we will get attacked if we do not fight" is the exact same mentality that is keeping America in Iraq......its a false statement....
Jean is an asshole, but he made the right choice regarding Iraq. He did. Yet he did help out during the initial attack on the Taliban. He viewed the two situations as different, at least in some ways.
And honestly, we cannot say what truth is based on conjecture and a future that will never be. I know he said it, but saying it and doing it are completely different things. We aren't in Iraq now, and that was the fear around voting for Harper.
I know it was....but ask yourself do you agree with what he proposed in the Wall Street Journal....because that was him doing the talking.....but yes it is in the past...and if he had his way the Conservatives would never see power again for 30 years if that had happened (therefore I doubt he would have actually put us in that war)...but ultimately it did not.....believe it or not I give Harper a thumbs up for saying we will not be involved in the Israel/Lebanon conflict for buffer support at the border.....although he does get a huge thumbs down for his comments during the crisis
Please remember our nation has never been attacked by fundanutalists therefore I find this statement to have no hold for us......
But we damn near were! Only our security forces prevented such an attack from happening. Didn't that freak you out? These were "Canadians", too. And yes, the quotes are deliberate. Those fucks are very lucky that their fate isn't up to me.
And actually, I cannot remember when the mission technically ends ... ? I'll have to find it.
But we damn near were! Only our security forces prevented such an attack from happening. Didn't that freak you out? These were "Canadians", too. And yes, the quotes are deliberate. Those fucks are very lucky that their fate isn't up to me.
And actually, I cannot remember when the mission technically ends ... ? I'll have to find it.
but wasn't that after the US ousted them from power?
but wasn't that after the US ousted them from power?
The problem being, their toxic ideology has arisen in people who were born here. If you want to me to argue that less effort should be spent on foreign wars and more on keeping our homeland secure, well ... Gladly!
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So are proud of Jean then? He is the reason we are not in Iraq....and for that matter we would have been if a so called other leader was...I am not politically fear mongering (Im sick of that)...but its the truth based on his previous comments....
I think the fear comes in when one contemplates the possibility of another attack while we wait for diplomacy and more peaceful means to work. I don't know ... They didn't know what freedom was back before the invasion, and they still don't know.
Jean is an asshole, but he made the right choice regarding Iraq. He did. Yet he did help out during the initial attack on the Taliban. He viewed the two situations as different, at least in some ways.
And honestly, we cannot say what truth is based on conjecture and a future that will never be. I know he said it, but saying it and doing it are completely different things. We aren't in Iraq now, and that was the fear around voting for Harper.
Peace has set-backs and bumps....but further war will only promote further war...I would be a complete fool to believe if we took peaceful action that everything would be roses and sunshine...it wouldn't there still would be bloody attacks BUT over time they will decrease as we show more economic support for a democratic led country and show we are not the ones killing innocents......
The whole "we will get attacked if we do not fight" is the exact same mentality that is keeping America in Iraq......its a false statement....
I know it was....but ask yourself do you agree with what he proposed in the Wall Street Journal....because that was him doing the talking.....but yes it is in the past...and if he had his way the Conservatives would never see power again for 30 years if that had happened (therefore I doubt he would have actually put us in that war)...but ultimately it did not.....believe it or not I give Harper a thumbs up for saying we will not be involved in the Israel/Lebanon conflict for buffer support at the border.....although he does get a huge thumbs down for his comments during the crisis
Perhaps ... Which is why I am up for a re-assessment of what we are doing in Afghanistan, once our current duties have been discharged.
When does this campaign end?
I cannot remember for the life of me.....
Please remember our nation has never been attacked by fundanutalists therefore I find this statement to have no hold for us......
But we damn near were! Only our security forces prevented such an attack from happening. Didn't that freak you out? These were "Canadians", too. And yes, the quotes are deliberate. Those fucks are very lucky that their fate isn't up to me.
And actually, I cannot remember when the mission technically ends ... ? I'll have to find it.
but wasn't that after the US ousted them from power?
The problem being, their toxic ideology has arisen in people who were born here. If you want to me to argue that less effort should be spent on foreign wars and more on keeping our homeland secure, well ... Gladly!