Ahmadinejad Vs Bush (Debate)

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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then why is there anyone left alive in any foreign nation?

    because they seek only to control policy not to govern ... they don't want to be responsible for another million of people when they can't even take care of their own ... all they want is to have the right conditions for economic exploitation ...
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    let me repeat this in clear words... Iran state, and their government, are not a terrorist organisation.

    ????????? Did you not just read my post? Theer GOVERNMENT created Hezbollah!!!!!!!! Who do you think gave Hezbollah their rockets? Who do you think is giving them money to rebuild Lebanon? If you create terrorist, fund terrorist and support terrorist....... then YOU ARE A TERRORIST!!!

    Get it????
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    polaris wrote:
    what do you think the cia is or mossad?

    Organizations that have the capability to terrorize and have terrorized in certain instances. Your apples to apples here are ridiculous, even to a person like me who is anti-cia and anti-mossad.
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    polaris wrote:
    what do you think the cia is or mossad?

    i wonder who helped to create AL quaida... mmmmmm
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    i wonder who helped to create AL quaida... mmmmmm

    This is what I love..... the juvenille "well so are you" response.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Organizations that have the capability to terrorize and have terrorized in certain instances. Your apples to apples here are ridiculous, even to a person like me who is anti-cia and anti-mossad.

    well ... that is your opinion ... saying it is ridiculous doesn't make it so ... you say these organizations have terrorized but yet will not call them terrorists ...
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    NCfan wrote:
    ????????? Did you not just read my post? Theer GOVERNMENT created Hezbollah!!!!!!!! Who do you think gave Hezbollah their rockets? Who do you think is giving them money to rebuild Lebanon? If you create terrorist, fund terrorist and support terrorist....... then YOU ARE A TERRORIST!!!

    Get it????

    haha

    repeat one more time, just for you. Iran State, and their government, are not a terrorist organisation, or if you want to stay on that line, you must accuse the USA govt. of being a terrorist state, on the same basis you accuse Iran of being one. Don't make me laugh more please, i've lost all the fun i had posting on this board because of people like you saying "you support or YOU ARE a terrorist", get over it...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    NCfan wrote:
    This is what I love..... the juvenille "well so are you" response.

    it might be juvenile if you would hold your own country to the same standards ...
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Sexy2aFault wrote:
    No they hate us due to failed foreign policy...But do not poison the well saying the the USA targets civilians. GW does not have the kind of power you guys thibk he does, we have checks and balances. Do not judge the America with such rhetoric because we have a bozo in the white house.

    and clinton,nixon and company were not of the bozo breed?

    America is not only judged by it's current policy but by it's past as well.
  • Sexy2aFault
    Sexy2aFault Posts: 388
    polaris wrote:
    i judge based on historical facts ... what do you think fallujah is? ... what do you think haditha is?? ... we can go back to panama and guatemala and all those other places where commerce drove foreign policy and list the death of the innocent ...

    this has nothing to do with Bush as it is about defending the American way of spreading "democracy" ...

    if you had checks and balances then there is absolutely no way you would be in iraq right now ...

    I agree..but the USA has never had a doctine about targeting civilians. Iran does.... There is a moral difference there that the US and Israel have over Iran. There was no good reason for this latest war in lebanon, but it happened, and Iran backed Hezbollah actually used the Lebanon people as sheilds. This is truly sick and shows a vast moral distinction.... The USA foreign policy is not perfect and needs to be changed, but you cannot rightly compare the two regimes.
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Sexy2aFault wrote:
    I agree..but the USA has never had a doctine about targeting civilians. Iran does.... There is a moral difference there that the US and Israel have over Iran. There was no good reason for this latest war in lebanon, but it happened, and Iran backed Hezbollah actually used the Lebanon people as sheilds. This is truly sick and shows a vast moral distinction.... The USA foreign policy is not perfect and needs to be changed, but you cannot rightly compare the two regimes.

    Based on the terror both regime have inflicted to civillians, yes, you can compare both, absolutly, intentional or not, it wouldn't stand a minute in a legal court.

    "yeah i killed him, but it was not intentional" will also make you guilty of a crime.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    polaris wrote:
    well ... that is your opinion ... saying it is ridiculous doesn't make it so ... you say these organizations have terrorized but yet will not call them terrorists ...

    These organizations have terrorized. So has every organization that uses force to override will. Your local police force, at some point, has also terrorized.

    However, a terrorist organization is an organization that is founded on principles of terror and hate with hate being their means and terror being their ends. To suggest that the CIA or that your local security force matches that description is to simplify the situation to a level of absurdity.

    There are fundamental differences between Al Qaeda and the CIA. There are fundamental differences between Hezbollah and Mossad. That doesn't mean that one is evil and the other good. That would also simplify things to a level of absurdity.
  • Sexy2aFault
    Sexy2aFault Posts: 388
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    Based on the terror both regime have inflicted to civillians, yes, you can compare both, absolutly, intentional or not, it wouldn't stand a minute in a legal court.

    "yeah i killed him, but it was not intentional" will also make you guilty of a crime.

    But not murder, thank-you for proving the moral distinction between the two.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    haha

    repeat one more time, just for you. Iran State, and their government, are not a terrorist organisation, or if you want to stay on that line, you must accuse the USA govt. of being a terrorist state, on the same basis you accuse Iran of being one. Don't make me laugh more please, i've lost all the fun i had posting on this board because of people like you saying "you support or YOU ARE a terrorist", get over it...

    Why don't you contain your laughter long enough to explain why Iran is not a terrorist state?

    Iran and Hezbollah are one in the same. Hezbollah deliberately aimed and fired thousands of rockets at civillians. On the other hand, the U.S. does not deliberately target civillians. Do you not see the moral difference there?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    If you guys elect another Bush, it's you're own problem... hoping it won't become the world's problem, like W...

    cause I will be moving to Canada.....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Sexy2aFault wrote:
    I agree..but the USA has never had a doctine about targeting civilians. Iran does.... There is a moral difference there that the US and Israel have over Iran. There was no good reason for this latest war in lebanon, but it happened, and Iran backed Hezbollah actually used the Lebanon people as sheilds. This is truly sick and shows a vast moral distinction.... The USA foreign policy is not perfect and needs to be changed, but you cannot rightly compare the two regimes.

    of course no one is gonna have a doctrine of targeting civilians but actions speak louder than words - it is an uncomfortable truth for many americans but there is no disputing the impact on civilians american actions have had ...

    and as far as hezbollah - this war escalated with the kidnapping of 2 soldiers not the targeting of innocent civilians - it is very clear who was targeting civilians more in this past war ... the use of cluster bombs is the targeting of civilians and this is state sanctioned ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    farfromglorified wrote:
    These organizations have terrorized. So has every organization that uses force to override will. Your local police force, at some point, has also terrorized.

    However, a terrorist organization is an organization that is founded on principles of terror and hate with hate being their means and terror being their ends. To suggest that the CIA or that your local security force matches that description is to simplify the situation to a level of absurdity.

    There are fundamental differences between Al Qaeda and the CIA. There are fundamental differences between Hezbollah and Mossad. That doesn't mean that one is evil and the other good. That would also simplify things to a level of absurdity.

    how could there be fundamental differences when one was born from the other?? ... the only difference is who the target is ... i'm sure no one was complaining about al qaeda when it was doing US bidding in afghanistan ... look at who the biggest arms dealer is in the world and tell me that the US doesn't sponsor terrorism ...
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    Sexy2aFault wrote:
    But not murder, thank-you for proving the moral distinction between the two.

    yes, murder, there's different degree of murder, and i don't know every international law and their details, but killing civillians is a crime, intentional or not. If it's a time of war, it becomes war crimes, intentional or not. No moral distinction, if you target something you call legitimate and end up killing innocents, yes, it's a crime, a murder.
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    polaris wrote:
    of course no one is gonna have a doctrine of targeting civilians but actions speak louder than words - it is an uncomfortable truth for many americans but there is no disputing the impact on civilians american actions have had ...

    and as far as hezbollah - this war escalated with the kidnapping of 2 soldiers not the targeting of innocent civilians - it is very clear who was targeting civilians more in this past war ... the use of cluster bombs is the targeting of civilians and this is state sanctioned ...

    Dude, it isn't uncomfortable at ALL..... I know that when the U.S. military goes to war that civillians will be killed. I take solace in knowing that it will be held to a minimum, becuase they are not directly targeted.

    But you are so dead wrong in that groups do not have a doctrine of targeting civillains. Hezbollah fired rockets indiscriminately towards civillian populations that had ZERO military targets.... do you get that ZERO. That means they are INTENTIONALLy targeting civillians.

    There is a clear difference. Why can you not acknowelge that?
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    NCfan wrote:
    ????????? Did you not just read my post? Theer GOVERNMENT created Hezbollah!!!!!!!!

    No my friend, Israel killing lebanese people is what created hezbollah.

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