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MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
A quick history lesson. I mean before we invade Iran, we should first learn something about what we've already done to them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3831662707484145675&q=overthrow
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    we are not invading Iran.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    we are not invading Iran.

    bombing from a distance? overthrow? continue to threat or whatever else america is doing and or wants to do to them.
  • TruthmongerTruthmonger Posts: 559
    jlew24asu wrote:
    we are not invading Iran.

    Ahh, I wouldn't be so sure......


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1990962,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1


    And Mr. Brian, you're obviously just a Yankee basher. Next thing you know you'll be pimpin' the whole Pinochet affair or something.....
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    btw, storming into the iranian Consulate and taking it's nationals a week ago is what exactly? yeah i'm sure the US has no interest in Iran.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Truthmonger wrote:
    Ahh, I wouldn't be so sure......


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1990962,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

    US is all talk when it comes to Iran. we would not invade that country. we might bomb them from afar if they build a nuke but Israel would probably make the first move.
  • qtegirlqtegirl Posts: 321
    jlew24asu wrote:
    US is all talk when it comes to Iran. we would not invade that country. we might bomb them from afar if they build a nuke but Israel would probably make the first move.
    Israel invading = US invading

    The US finances the Israeli Army. Israel would not dare make a move if it didn't have the approval and support of the US, as happened in Lebanon this past summer.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    qtegirl wrote:
    Israel invading = US invading

    The US finances the Israeli Army. Israel would not dare make a move if it didn't have the approval and support of the US, as happened in Lebanon this past summer.

    Israel will not invade either. they will just bomb the shit out of the nuke and military sites.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Israel will not invade either. they will just bomb the shit out of the nuke and military sites.

    fine, iran will not be invaded, but like you said, get bombed. better?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrBrian wrote:
    fine, iran will not be invaded, but like you said, get bombed. better?


    to prevent Iran from nuking Israel? yes thats much better thank you
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    jlew24asu wrote:
    to prevent Iran from nuking Israel? yes thats much better thank you

    you can't serioulsy believe that Iran would nuke irsrael do you? other than the fact that Iran has never said such a thing and probably knows that a nuke would kill just about every palestinian in the process.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrBrian wrote:
    you can't serioulsy believe that Iran would nuke irsrael do you? other than the fact that Iran has never said such a thing and probably knows that a nuke would kill just about every palestinian in the process.


    has Iran's president said he wants Israel wiped off the map? sorry I dont trust Iran's president as much as you
  • YourBuddyYourBuddy Posts: 59
    There is something you have to consider about Iran. They are a democratic society that has very very different culture than America. We may not agree with the leadership that is in power there, but it is the choice of the Iranian people, and is that not what America wants to spread?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    YourBuddy wrote:
    There is something you have to consider about Iran. They are a democratic society that has very very different culture than America. We may not agree with the leadership that is in power there, but it is the choice of the Iranian people, and is that not what America wants to spread?

    hey buddy welcome aboard. Iran is not a free country. you know that right?
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    MrBrian wrote:
    A quick history lesson. I mean before we invade Iran, we should first learn something about what we've already done to them.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3831662707484145675&q=overthrow


    Here's a little history lesson.

    The Iran-Iraq War lasted 8 years. Iran suffered 1 million casualties and settles for a cease-fire.

    The Iraq war lasted 5 weeks. Iraq no longer sustains a fighting force as a nation.

    What we have here is a "FRIGHTENING!" nation in Iran that was incapable of defeating Iraq after 8 years of fighting. This of course being the same nation that the United States kicked aside after 5 weeks of combat.

    Ok, who's depressed?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • qtegirlqtegirl Posts: 321
    jlew24asu wrote:
    has Iran's president said he wants Israel wiped off the map? sorry I dont trust Iran's president as much as you
    No he hasn't... and as long as this mistranslation keeps going around I don't think anyone can have an honest discussion about Iran.

    "But the actual quote, which comes from an old speech of Khomeini, does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all. The second reason is that it is just an inexact translation. The phrase is almost metaphysical. He quoted Khomeini that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks."
    - Juan Cole, President of the Global Americana Institute; Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History , University of Michigan
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    qtegirl wrote:
    No he hasn't... and as long as this mistranslation keeps going around I don't think anyone can have an honest discussion about Iran.

    spare me your Ahmadinejad sympathies.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/27/wiran27.xml

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1601413,00.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html
  • qtegirlqtegirl Posts: 321
    jlew24asu wrote:
    spare me your Ahmadinejad sympathies.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/27/wiran27.xml

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1601413,00.html

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html
    So now I'm a sympathizer... nice! you couldn't find a more loaded adjective?

    All those stories you link to were for stories on Oct. 27, 2005 and all of them based on the translation of one person. Yeah, they might be different news agencies, but they are all using the same source.

    Look, I don't like the guy, I don't "sympathize" with him. But people who favor bombing a country of 71 million people need to stop using an erroneous quote as justification.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    qtegirl wrote:
    So now I'm a sympathizer... nice! you couldn't find a more loaded adjective?

    All those stories you link to were for stories on Oct. 27, 2005 and all of them based on the translation of one person. Yeah, they might be different news agencies, but they are all using the same source.

    Look, I don't like the guy, I don't "sympathize" with him. But people who favor bombing a country of 71 million people need to stop using an erroneous quote as justification.

    I wouldnt be in favor of bombing Tehran or any other populated area but I would be in favor on bombing their remote heavily guarded nuke sites.

    stop believing its an erroneous quote. he said what he said. He wants Israel gone.

    and your telling me my 3 different sources all came from one person? coming from you who gave a quote from some professor who is trying to break down his quote into something its not. what a joke
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Ahmedinijad is just a figurehead anyway, right? Khomeini is pulling the strings.
    reigning champion

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    sponger wrote:
    Ahmedinijad is just a figurehead anyway, right? Khomeini is pulling the strings.

    Right, just like Cheney.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Last ExodusLast Exodus Posts: 782
    MrBrian wrote:
    btw, storming into the iranian Consulate and taking it's nationals a week ago is what exactly? yeah i'm sure the US has no interest in Iran.
    Good phrase for this guy. Don't forget Israel basher too !
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    I really don't see anyone invading Iran anytime soon. They will most likely get slapped with sanctions if they keep developing nuclear technology in secret, but there won't be much more than that. It's too risky right now. If the U.S. specifically targeted Iran, there would be so much upheval in the Middle East, that U.S.-supported regimes in places like Egypt and Pakistan would be destroyed by their respective populations. Then you'd have a pretty big mess.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    to prevent Iran from nuking Israel? yes thats much better thank you


    almost as good as when israel sold iran a couple thousand missiles :D
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    El_Kabong wrote:
    almost as good as when israel sold iran a couple thousand missiles :D

    Well they need to at least make it a fair fight...
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    operation ajax



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ajax



    democracy in the middle east?
    yeah we want it
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    B nice wrote:
    operation ajax



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ajax



    democracy in the middle east?
    yeah we want it

    it is about everyone profiting from a nations natural resources....but we called it communism....be afraid

    what are we doing with iraqs oil revenue ?...wait wait but we get exclusive rights to iraqs development and shipping
    that is the difference
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    B nice wrote:
    it is about everyone profiting from a nations natural resources....but we called it communism....be afraid

    what are we doing with iraqs oil revenue ?...wait wait but we get exclusive rights to iraqs development and shipping
    that is the difference
    hey look everyone. another guy talking to himself
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hey look everyone. another guy talking to himself


    shouldn't you be bulldozing someones home?
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    B nice wrote:
    shouldn't you be bulldozing someones home?
    if someone builds a home on my property I will
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if someone builds a home on my property I will


    and god gave you that property right?
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
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