U.S. troops accused of rape and murder

MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer
10 minutes ago

BEIJI, Iraq - The U.S. Army will investigate charges that five American soldiers were involved in the killings of four Iraqi relatives, including a woman who had been raped, military officials said Friday. It's the sixth current inquiry into the alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by American troops.



Some of the five soldiers also allegedly burned the body of the woman they are accused of assaulting in the March incident, a U.S. military official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060630/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_soldiers_investigated
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    This story is becoming all too familiar....
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Commy wrote:
    This story is becoming all too familiar....
    How could it be familiar? It's an "isolated case"! They're all "isolated cases" of "bad apples" ... there's no systemic problem in our military AT ALL!!!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom wrote:
    How could it be familiar? It's an "isolated case"! They're all "isolated cases" of "bad apples" ... there's no systemic problem in our military AT ALL!!!


    what is the definition of "isolated" again?
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  • PJfanFORlifePJfanFORlife Posts: 138
    hippiemom wrote:
    How could it be familiar? It's an "isolated case"! They're all "isolated cases" of "bad apples" ... there's no systemic problem in our military AT ALL!!!
    I saw a documentary on how female soldiers that serve have to go to the restroom in groups in the evenings due to the male soldiers raping and assaulting them. i know this case is different, but it makes me sick that our troops would do that to their own. sorry if this is off topic with the article
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  • The Troops Shouldnt Fukking Be There To Begin With!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I saw a documentary on how female soldiers that serve have to go to the restroom in groups in the evenings due to the male soldiers raping and assaulting them. i know this case is different, but it makes me sick that our troops would do that to their own. sorry if this is off topic with the article
    It would only be off-topic if it were true that there is no systemic problem. Your post is, sadly, quite relevant.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    The Troops Shouldnt Fukking Be There To Begin With!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Nevertheless, they are in iraq and they are doing these things.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    MrBrian wrote:
    Nevertheless, they are in iraq and they are doing these things.

    Maybe this is a lesson. In dire circumstances people do bad things. Instead of labeling them bad - perhaps we can work to improve circumstances and cooperation. If it is really terrorism we are afraid of, and not dominance and superiority.
  • The Troops Shouldnt Fukking Be There To Begin With!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Couldn't agree more!
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    The Troops Shouldnt Fukking Be There To Begin With!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    dam right
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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    I think we're all agreed that the people who serve in the armed forces come from the American people. If the popular thing in American society is to follow what you feel is right, and if these allegations (b/c nothing's been proven yet) are true, then couldn't one of the alleged rapists merely claim that he was just doing what he felt was right?
  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    They should die for what they have done.
    I'll be back
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    this is clearly proof that we are winning the war! This is merely payback for the infidels sawing off two of God's children's domes. If we continue with this type of activity, we will eventually wear them down...we should actually escalate this type of behavior...not only will it demoralize them, but it will make their political opponents question their motives and long-term goals!
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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    They should die for what they have done.

    so in the unlikelihood that the alleged rapist did it because it's what he feels is right, then should he be put to death for following his feelings?
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Laz wrote:
    so in the unlikelihood that the alleged rapist did it because it's what he feels is right, then should he be put to death for following his feelings?


    can you describe a situation where someone could rationalize raping someone as being the right thing?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    this is clearly proof that we are winning the war! This is merely payback for the infidels sawing off two of God's children's domes. If we continue with this type of activity, we will eventually wear them down...we should actually escalate this type of behavior...not only will it demoralize them, but it will make their political opponents question their motives and long-term goals!


    .....yeeeeeaaaaaaaah raping a girl, killing her family, burning her body is a good tactic??


    from the original link mr brian posted

    "At least 14 American troops have been convicted in other cases"

    "He also said the four people killed included three adults and a child, and one of the adults was the woman who allegedly was raped"

    "One of the accused soldiers already has been discharged "

    "The killings appeared to have been a "crime of opportunity," the official said. The soldiers had not been attacked by insurgents but had noticed the woman on previous patrols."
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    .....yeeeeeaaaaaaaah raping a girl, killing her family, burning her body is a good tactic??

    Good, yes...the best...obviously no. We could have had the decency of sawing off her head with a machette on live tv. THAT's obviously the "in" tactic.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    can you describe a situation where someone could rationalize raping someone as being the right thing?

    Absolutely not.

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  • LazLaz Posts: 118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    can you describe a situation where someone could rationalize raping someone as being the right thing?

    I personally can't but what if someone feels that it's right? Are you going to impose your beliefs (as right as you and I might think they are) on them by putting them to death?
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    If this story is true, i hope the guilty soldiers are sent to prison for the rest of their lives or put to death. Fucking disgusting low lifes. Whatever people's view on the war this is barbaric and totally out of order behaviour. They are also making life more difficult for the other soldiers fighting in Iraq as well, as if that was needed.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    HIDEOUS hints of the desperate, dying moments of a young Iraqi woman have emerged in court documents which charged a 21-year-old ex-US army private of her rape and murder.

    The soldier, 101st Airborne veteran Steven Green, also faces charges of shootingthree of her relatives, in a murky, and apparently horrific night of terror and death in war-torn Iraq in mid-March.

    The US media and international media have chronicled the flurry of allegations of atrocities against US soldiers in rich detail, in incidents like the Abu Ghraib scandal, and alleged Haditha massacre.

    But allegations contained in court documents accompanying the charges against Green were the most grisly and detailed allegations of misconduct yet

    He spent time with comrades on the evening of March 11, drinking, and talking about having sex with a young Iraqi civilian who lived with her family about 200m away, prosecutors alleged.

    Then, according to an affidavit which accompanied a warrant for Green's arrest, they changed into dark clothes and burst in on the house.

    Green "covered his face with a brown t-shirt" according to one identified soldier who allegedly went to the house with Green and two others and who was cited in the document.

    The FBI affidavit claims Green herded an adult male, an adult woman and a female child into a bedroom - before gunshots were heard

    "I just killed them. All are dead," Green is alleged to have told his comrades.

    The young woman's terrible final moments can only be surmised from the neutral legalise of the affidavit, which cites photos taken at the crime scene - and appears to hint at an attempt to cover-up the alleged incident.

    "These photos also depict the burned body of what appears to be a woman with blankets thrown over her upper torso," the documents alleged.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,19678171-5001028,00.html
  • thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    There's something wrong with this other than the rape case:

    Iraq wants U.N. oversight in rape-murder case
    Justice minister calls alleged attack on woman, her family ‘monstrous’
    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq’s justice minister demanded Tuesday that the U.N. Security Council ensure a group of U.S. troops is punished for allegedly raping and murdering a young Iraqi woman and executing her family, calling the attack “monstrous and inhuman.” http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13696479/

    Why does the IRAQ JUSTICE MINISTER can't even make his own country justice system work in that case? Or is there really a ministery working in Baghdad? Is it a democracy when you cannot protest, raise you voice or just go to work, without the fear of being killed, rape or kidnap? Is it a democracy when the Prime Minister of Iraq say that the human rights violations are even worse than under Saddam, but nobody care to talk about it in the medias as if the Iraqi PM was just another insurgents?

    Anyway, it's clear, the USA failed in Iraq, time to get out and pay the price ($$) of your errors, happy 4th of july!
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    There's something wrong with this other than the rape case:

    Iraq wants U.N. oversight in rape-murder case
    Justice minister calls alleged attack on woman, her family ‘monstrous’
    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq’s justice minister demanded Tuesday that the U.N. Security Council ensure a group of U.S. troops is punished for allegedly raping and murdering a young Iraqi woman and executing her family, calling the attack “monstrous and inhuman.” http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13696479/

    Why does the IRAQ JUSTICE MINISTER can't even make his own country justice system work in that case? Or is there really a ministery working in Baghdad? Is it a democracy when you cannot protest, raise you voice or just go to work, without the fear of being killed, rape or kidnap? Is it a democracy when the Prime Minister of Iraq say that the human rights violations are even worse than under Saddam, but nobody care to talk about it in the medias as if the Iraqi PM was just another insurgents?

    Anyway, it's clear, the USA failed in Iraq, time to get out and pay the price ($$) of your errors, happy 4th of july!

    Yeah.

    the shit's just crazy.

    But the US are far from leaving, they still need to finish off (check link)

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-04-19-us-embassy_x.htm

    People need to wake up.
  • thankyougrandmathankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    MrBrian wrote:
    Yeah.

    the shit's just crazy.

    But the US are far from leaving, they still need to finish off (check link)

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-04-19-us-embassy_x.htm

    People need to wake up.

    thanks for the link:

    "only one major U.S. building project in Iraq is on schedule and within budget: the massive new American embassy compound."

    fucking pathetic but yet i'm not surprised at all...
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Good, yes...the best...obviously no. We could have had the decency of sawing off her head with a machette on live tv. THAT's obviously the "in" tactic.

    So in your mind this is just a little less bad because of the beheadings?
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