Canada to ban incandescent light bulbs

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    well ... does that make it excusable??

    Not at all. I am just not sure why some Canadians let inexcusable behavior go from one party and then completely lambaste another. I guess Westerners are as guilty as Easterners in this regard, they just blame the other guys.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    For sure. What bothers me is that the criticism is totally selective. You're blowing a gasket about this government, but in reality, they ALL ignore climate change. No one in the political mainstream wants to touch it, probably because there ARE economic repurcussions. Are they as bad as Baird says? Hard to say, but any government who actually does what needs to be done (tackle climate change) is going to pay the political price and unfortunately no one has the fortitude to do this. Both major parties have big business ties ... Thus both are not going to do anything substantive.

    how is it selective?? ... its not like i was not griping about it way back then ... say what you will about the last gov't ... they did 10 times what this gov't is doing ... look at all the programs the cons have announced - they are regurgitated liberal programs they canned in 2006 ... how sad is that??

    these guys don't have a clue ... remember - this is the same guy who like 3 years ago doubted the science ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Not at all. I am just not sure why some Canadians let inexcusable behavior go from one party and then completely lambaste another. I guess Westerners are as guilty as Easterners in this regard, they just blame the other guys.

    well ... we voted the liberals out ... time to vote out the cons ... read my previous posts - we keep voting them out until someone does the job ... it is the reason why we vote ...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    they did 10 times what this gov't is doing ...

    Complete and total BS, man. That's just plain inaccurate. And I agree, the Cons have rehashed some Liberal proposals. Worst case scenario, that makes them the Liberals with different stripes. How can that translate into the former doing 10 times more?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    well ... we voted the liberals out ... time to vote out the cons ... read my previous posts - we keep voting them out until someone does the job ... it is the reason why we vote ...

    Well, I cannot really dispute this point. Simply voting people out before they've had a chance to do much could also backfire, though. We'll see. I don't want to see a Liberal government under Dion (at least not yet), and I think many Canadians would agree with me.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    polaris wrote:
    how is it selective?? ... its not like i was not griping about it way back then ... say what you will about the last gov't ... they did 10 times what this gov't is doing ... look at all the programs the cons have announced - they are regurgitated liberal programs they canned in 2006 ... how sad is that??

    these guys don't have a clue ... remember - this is the same guy who like 3 years ago doubted the science ...
    Sorry but you are very biased in your assessment of the Libs. They had more than 10 years to take action and show results. All Canada did was get worse and worse and have an even worse record of GHG growth than your much hated Americans. The Libs did nothing that was effective. Call it 10 times more all you want but in the end the Libs did nothing effective and the problem grew under them. Your hatred of Harper and the Conservative Party seemingly leaves you unable to make a balanced assessment.

    A balanced assessment would not care what someone may have said or thought 3 years ago, and at a time they were not part of the ruling government. A balanced assessment looks at actions only. The Libs did nothing, you can't get worse than that. Painting any party as worse shows a lack of balance or perspective.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Complete and total BS, man. That's just plain inaccurate. And I agree, the Cons have rehashed some Liberal proposals. Worst case scenario, that makes them the Liberals with different stripes. How can that translate into the former doing 10 times more?

    ok ... 10 times was a figure of speech ... but consider these facts - the liberals had a kyoto plan - whether they would have succeeded is speculative ... understand that when the cons got in - they scrapped everything essentially setting us back 3 years ... they said they have their own plan - which we horrifically found out was not true ... now, they are scrambling to come up with one and short of doing that - they have re-introduced programs that were cancelled when they got in ... so, in essence - all they have done is put us back 3 years ...

    the reality is that this gov't is not interested in doing anything and is stalling for as long as possible - they won't comment on the revised clean air act put together by committee because they don't want to do it but don't want to lose face either ... so, they will stall and continue to do nothing ...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    ok ... 10 times was a figure of speech ... but consider these facts - the liberals had a kyoto plan - whether they would have succeeded is speculative ... understand that when the cons got in - they scrapped everything essentially setting us back 3 years ... they said they have their own plan - which we horrifically found out was not true ... now, they are scrambling to come up with one and short of doing that - they have re-introduced programs that were cancelled when they got in ... so, in essence - all they have done is put us back 3 years ...

    the reality is that this gov't is not interested in doing anything and is stalling for as long as possible - they won't comment on the revised clean air act put together by committee because they don't want to do it but don't want to lose face either ... so, they will stall and continue to do nothing ...

    Arg, Kyoto again? Dude, they had that plan, and did absolutely nothing to implement it. Like surferdude said, under the Libs we had a worse track record for emissions than the Amis down south did! That's not stalling? They didn't even put forth an honest effort beyond signing a piece of paper.
    ... All they did was kill a tree! ;)
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    Sorry but you are very biased in your assessment of the Libs. They had more than 10 years to take action and show results. All Canada did was get worse and worse and have an even worse record of GHG growth than your much hated Americans. The Libs did nothing that was effective. Call it 10 times more all you want but in the end the Libs did nothing effective and the problem grew under them. Your hatred of Harper and the Conservative Party seemingly leaves you unable to make a balanced assessment.

    A balanced assessment would not care what someone may have said or thought 3 years ago, and at a time they were not part of the ruling government. A balanced assessment looks at actions only. The Libs did nothing, you can't get worse than that. Painting any party as worse shows a lack of balance or perspective.

    you have accused me of this plenty of times - it gets tiring ... in each instance i have shown you the relevant information by which i make my claims but all you do is keep putting the i hate harper and therefore i know nothing claim ...

    if you heeded your own advice - you would see that a balanced assessment would show that much of our increase in gHg's has come from the oil sands - an increase that grows exponentially with the price of oil ... you can't control foreign wars that make an enviornmental and economical disaster profitable ...

    at least the liberals had industry looking at retrofitting their equipment to reduce their emissions - only to have harper come in and say no need ...
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Arg, Kyoto again? Dude, they had that plan, and did absolutely nothing to implement it. Like surferdude said, under the Libs we had a worse track record for emissions than the Amis down south did! That's not stalling? They didn't even put forth an honest effort beyond signing a piece of paper.
    ... All they did was kill a tree! ;)

    you can buy into the PR campaign and the talking points the cons have ... the reality paints a different picture ... again - the liberals were far from perfect ... but this gov't is inept at best ...

    this is a gov't that wanted to set reduction targets for 2050!?? ... they insulted every canadian out there with that joke of an act ... but hey - as long as we keep harping on the libs - we don't actually have to hold these guys accountable ...
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    I'm not applauding the Cons by any means (they're distortion of Kyoto in their latest release was mind boggling) but I do think this is a good idea even if it is a token propaganda measure.

    Incandescent bulbs are inefficient and they should be eliminated. I don't give the cons much praise for their environmental outlook but this is a good step. They miss the big picture, but they have done some good small things to continue their facade.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    sourdough wrote:
    I'm not applauding the Cons by any means (they're distortion of Kyoto in their latest release was mind boggling) but I do think this is a good idea even if it is a token propaganda measure.

    Incandescent bulbs are inefficient and they should be eliminated. I don't give the cons much praise for their environmental outlook but this is a good step. They miss the big picture, but they have done some good small things to continue their facade.

    And if one does buy what Gore says, a bunch of small steps added together will wind up making a difference.

    Just for the record, I agree that this is an appeasement move. I don't think Harper poops green or anything. It just happens to be a move that won't hurt, and might help, at least a little.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris wrote:
    you can buy into the PR campaign and the talking points the cons have ... the reality paints a different picture ... again - the liberals were far from perfect ... but this gov't is inept at best ...

    this is a gov't that wanted to set reduction targets for 2050!?? ... they insulted every canadian out there with that joke of an act ... but hey - as long as we keep harping on the libs - we don't actually have to hold these guys accountable ...

    Harping on the libs (by me) only happens when I see a distortion of the facts that needs to be addressed. I have no real beef with people slamming Harper ... In fact, not only is slamming the government a Canadian tradition, its a healthy democratic process. Like I said, its hard to watch and not comment when people's comments miss half the boat.
  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    reborncareerist wrote:
    And if one does buy what Gore says, a bunch of small steps added together will wind up making a difference.

    Just for the record, I agree that this is an appeasement move. I don't think Harper poops green or anything. It just happens to be a move that won't hurt, and might help, at least a little.

    I agree and I think the government DOES need to do all of the small things which cumulatively make a difference, however that does not absolve the government from doing their part in taking a more pro-active big picture approach to the problem. I really don't beleive individuals and grass roots movements are enough to solve the problem.

    Tax incentives and and credits for transit users and hybrid car owners were also good moves. I would also like to see more "sticks" to motivate people to change their behaviour.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    the most appropriate line ... *wrong side of the science and the wrong side of history* ... the probation period is over - we need real leadership ...

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/04/26/emission-reac.html

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