Scientists create part-human animals

Jeanie

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Hopefully, while they're making my awesome talking saint bernard, they'll have research for these side projects in the works.

LMAO!! Of course!! Bring on the talking St Bernard!!!
It's what the world needs now!!

South of Seattle

Maybe they should make a jackalope and a sasquatch.

halv

Jeanie wrote:

I agree. But in terms of medical research, each research laboratory you see doing the research they are doing is subject to mounds of ethical and moral consideration by huge commitees of ethicists and doctors and other people, as well as being subject to having to conform to a code of practice, and be subject to audit and review. This includes laboratories doing medical testing on animals. And even the welfare of the animals in under a code of practice. Those that are not subject to all of these peer checks and guidelines are not true researchers or laboratories and therefore would be subject to being closed down and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

These labs should release footage of all the tests they perform on animals and let the public decide how ethical they are. Sadly torture in the name of science is all too prevelant.

lucylespian

MrBrian wrote:

Stem cell experiments leading to genetic mixing of species

Updated: 5:43 p.m. ET April 29, 2005


Particularly worrisome to some scientists are the nightmare scenarios that could arise from the mixing of brain cells: What if a human mind somehow got trapped inside a sheep’s head?


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7681252

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This has already happened, they are called politicians.

Jeanie

halv wrote:

These labs should release footage of all the tests they perform on animals and let the public decide how ethical they are. Sadly torture in the name of science is all too prevelant.

Is the forum of public opinion the best option?

There are people from animal welfare groups consulted and participating in the ethics committees already.

halv, I have no desire to hurt animals, but I also believe we need to continue testing and searching for answers to diseases.

I do not accept cosmetics or other unecessary testing of that ilk as a reasonable reason to test on animals.

But if the potential is there to cure thousands of people, millions even, then as long as all possible considerations for the animal are taken into account then I see it as the lesser of two evils and a very necessary action to take.

Jeanie

lucylespian wrote:

This has already happened, they are called politicians.

LMAO!!! :D:D Very funny lucy!! :D:D

halv

Jeanie wrote:

Is the forum of public opinion the best option?

There are people from animal welfare groups consulted and participating in the ethics committees already.

halv, I have no desire to hurt animals, but I also believe we need to continue testing and searching for answers to diseases.

I do not accept cosmetics or other unecessary testing of that ilk as a reasonable reason to test on animals.

But if the potential is there to cure thousands of people, millions even, then as long as all possible considerations for the animal are taken into account then I see it as the lesser of two evils and a very necessary action to take.

I don't know you, and I don't think you're a bad person from what I can tell. I do however despise any type of testing on animals. Quite often it is bogus science. A great example is penicillin. Animal tests gave innacurate results and actually hurt many people. And there are many labs and scientists doing absolutley worthless testing on animals that have resulted in nothing except continued funding. There are countless examples of unbelieveable torture inflicted upon animals in labs, and sadly it continues behind closed doors. We say we are so advanced now, but continue testing on other species for human means???? It's just backwards. I couldn't live with myself knowing I put another being through incredible pain and agony, ni matter what the costs.

audome25

i hope if we cure all these diseases we find a way to invent more food and create more land for people to live on. or we just wait for the asteroid.

Jeanie

halv wrote:

I don't know you, and I don't think you're a bad person from what I can tell. I do however despise any type of testing on animals. Quite often it is bogus science. A great example is penicillin. Animal tests gave innacurate results and actually hurt many people. And there are many labs and scientists doing absolutley worthless testing on animals that have resulted in nothing except continued funding. There are countless examples of unbelieveable torture inflicted upon animals in labs, and sadly it continues behind closed doors. We say we are so advanced now, but continue testing on other species for human means???? It's just backwards. I couldn't live with myself knowing I put another being through incredible pain and agony, ni matter what the costs.

Ok halv, well I respect your opinion. I would love to live in a world were there was no animal testing. Unfortunately, if I have to choose between the eradication of diseases that effect millions of humans over testing on animals if that is the only way, then I have to go with animal testing, I'm sorry. But should they come up with another way then I'm all for it. And I believe that they should follow the strictest of controls and guidelines to ensure that the animals that are being tested on are cared for as best as is possible under the circumstances.

halv

Jeanie wrote:

Ok halv, well I respect your opinion. I would love to live in a world were there was no animal testing. Unfortunately, if I have to choose between the eradication of diseases that effect millions of humans over testing on animals if that is the only way, then I have to go with animal testing, I'm sorry. But should they come up with another way then I'm all for it. And I believe that they should follow the strictest of controls and guidelines to ensure that the animals that are being tested on are cared for as best as is possible under the circumstances.

I also respect yours, and your want to help humans. That is a wonderful thing to dedicate your life to. However animal testing has not proven to help eradicate disease. There are plenty of other research methods. Not every lab in the world tests on animals. It is old school research. And even if some animal testing helps in some research, the end does not justify the means. Torturing one being to save another isn't moral, in my opinion. That being said I wish the animals being tested on were cared for in the best way possible as well, but again this does not happen. Animals are continually left in states of agony and distress. Right now millions of animals are stuck in baren cages with horrific wounds and in pain while we sit at our computers eating and listening to music. These animals feel pain, and fear, and lonliness. Who are we to subject them to such agony? We should respect all life, not just lives of the same species. Doctors in Canada used to do research on the mentally handicapped. They figured since these people are of lower intelligence then it's ok. This is the same type of thinking.
I just feel if people saw what actually happens in these labs they would be horrified.
Anyways, I can rant and rave, but the torture will continue.

Jeanie

halv wrote:

I also respect yours, and your want to help humans. That is a wonderful thing to dedicate your life to. However animal testing has not proven to help eradicate disease. There are plenty of other research methods. Not every lab in the world tests on animals. It is old school research. And even if some animal testing helps in some research, the end does not justify the means. Torturing one being to save another isn't moral, in my opinion. That being said I wish the animals being tested on were cared for in the best way possible as well, but again this does not happen. Animals are continually left in states of agony and distress. Right now millions of animals are stuck in baren cages with horrific wounds and in pain while we sit at our computers eating and listening to music. These animals feel pain, and fear, and lonliness. Who are we to subject them to such agony? We should respect all life, not just lives of the same species. Doctors in Canada used to do research on the mentally handicapped. They figured since these people are of lower intelligence then it's ok. This is the same type of thinking.
I just feel if people saw what actually happens in these labs they would be horrified.
Anyways, I can rant and rave, but the torture will continue.

halv, we need committed, passionate people like you to put forward your views and to negotiate for better conditions. If you can you should try to get involved with a group that promotes this. I will say one thing though, if you really want to help the animals then learn to speak to the people you need to negotiate with in terms that they understand. It's ok to rant and rave, you are angry, but if you want to have maximum impact with those that you need to negotiate with then learn to speak to them in terms they understand. They will be much more likely to listen and take on board what you have to say if you do. I hope I don't sound patronizing. I'm simply trying to help you. I understand about how to talk to researchers and doctors because I've had to do a lot of it in my working life. Anyway, that's my two cents worth, hope you aren't offended. I'd be happy to hear more of what you have to say.

halv

Jeanie wrote:

halv, we need committed, passionate people like you to put forward your views and to negotiate for better conditions. If you can you should try to get involved with a group that promotes this. I will say one thing though, if you really want to help the animals then learn to speak to the people you need to negotiate with in terms that they understand. It's ok to rant and rave, you are angry, but if you want to have maximum impact with those that you need to negotiate with then learn to speak to them in terms they understand. They will be much more likely to listen and take on board what you have to say if you do. I hope I don't sound patronizing. I'm simply trying to help you. I understand about how to talk to researchers and doctors because I've had to do a lot of it in my working life. Anyway, that's my two cents worth, hope you aren't offended. I'd be happy to hear more of what you have to say.

Thanks for the comments Jeanie. It's always a good thing to be able to air our opinions and I appreciate you taking the time to read mine.
Take care.

PJPOWER

It's all fun and games until "Manbearpig" comes up and pulls your limbs off one by one....................

my2hands

MrBrian wrote:

Biological mixing of species

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is that where we found George W Bush? half human, half chimp?

chopitdown

PJPOWER wrote:

It's all fun and games until "Manbearpig" comes up and pulls your limbs off one by one....................

then it's just fun.

MrBrian

my2hands wrote:

is that where we found George W Bush? half human, half chimp?

http://www.bushorchimp.com/pics.html

yes.

Jeanie

halv wrote:

Thanks for the comments Jeanie. It's always a good thing to be able to air our opinions and I appreciate you taking the time to read mine.
Take care.

Thank you too. It's always good to hear what other people have to say.
Hope to discuss things again with you sometime.

bacchanal

baraka wrote:

:eek:

I wonder what would be considered 'human-like' behavior?

i guess if they go into the lab and the mice are all in the corner shooting craps......