The miracle of Israel

MrBrian
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edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama pledged staunch support for Israel on Wednesday in Jerusalem, describing the Jewish state as a miracle and holding only a low-profile meeting with Palestinian leaders

The Illinois senator, meeting Israeli President Shimon Peres, described Israel as a "miracle that has blossomed" since its founding 60 years ago. Wearing a Jewish skullcap, he later laid a white wreath at the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial museum.


"Let our children come here and know this history so that they can add their voices to proclaim 'never again'," Obama wrote in the museum's visitors' book.


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Well now, what better way to bring peace then to call one side a Miracle and the other, well....I don't know...but I bet it didnt involve the color green.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Palestinian leaders? He didn't even meet with Hamas...

    Oh well, not like I'm surprised. His AIPAC speech summed this up in a much nicer way.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7520759.stm
  • IndianSummer
    IndianSummer Posts: 854
    _outlaw wrote:
    Palestinian leaders? He didn't even meet with Hamas...

    Oh well, not like I'm surprised. His AIPAC speech summed this up in a much nicer way.
    where can we find his aipac speech ?
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  • fuck
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    IndianSummer wrote:
    where can we find his aipac speech ?
    June 2008:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91150432

    An earlier one from 2007:
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/obamas_aipac_speech_text_as_pr.html
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7520759.stm

    From the article you posted regarding Palestine.


    He angered the Palestinian leadership last month by saying the city - which Palestinians want as the capital of a future state - should be Israel's "undivided" capital.

    Earlier, Mr Obama held talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah, telling him that he would quickly engage in the Middle East peace process were he elected president, an aide to Mr Abbas said.

    "Obama confirmed to President Abbas that he will be a constructive partner in the peace process," the aide, Saeb Erekat, told reporters after their meeting in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

    Mr Obama told Mr Abbas he would "not waste a minute" on trying to resolve the Middle East conflict if he was elected president, Mr Erekat said.

    By simply visiting Ramallah, Mr Obama has gained the appreciation of Palestinians and distinguished himself from his Republican rival John McCain, says the BBC's James Coomarasamy, who is travelling with the senator.

    Mr McCain did not visit the West Bank during his visit to the region.
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  • fuck
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    From the article you posted regarding Palestine.

    He angered the Palestinian leadership last month by saying the city - which Palestinians want as the capital of a future state - should be Israel's "undivided" capital.

    Earlier, Mr Obama held talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah, telling him that he would quickly engage in the Middle East peace process were he elected president, an aide to Mr Abbas said.

    "Obama confirmed to President Abbas that he will be a constructive partner in the peace process," the aide, Saeb Erekat, told reporters after their meeting in the West Bank town of Ramallah.

    Mr Obama told Mr Abbas he would "not waste a minute" on trying to resolve the Middle East conflict if he was elected president, Mr Erekat said.

    By simply visiting Ramallah, Mr Obama has gained the appreciation of Palestinians and distinguished himself from his Republican rival John McCain, says the BBC's James Coomarasamy, who is travelling with the senator.
    1. He didn't take back what he said about Jerusalem, or even address it.
    2. He's been spouting off the same shit Bush has been saying.
    3. He doesn't give ANY solution to ANY type of peace (which is what most people here complain about Nader... ironic)
    Mr McCain did not visit the West Bank during his visit to the region.
    well, I don't think anyone here supports McCain, so... yeah.
  • Its Evolution Baby
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    _outlaw wrote:
    1. He didn't take back what he said about Jerusalem, or even address it.
    2. He's been spouting off the same shit Bush has been saying.
    3. He doesn't give ANY solution to ANY type of peace (which is what most people here complain about Nader... ironic)


    well, I don't think anyone here supports McCain, so... yeah.

    I actually don't fault Nader for not having a solution. I fault him for so blindly siding with the Palestinians. Israel hasn't been willing to compromise before why would they do it with a known Israel basher like Nader.

    However it should not be the US job to have a plan for peace between the two sides. The US should only be acting as the mediator in the resolution.

    I think a lot of you forget that Israel is an official ally of the US not Palestine so it's common sense thats who we end up supporting in the conflict. The fact that Obama is meeting with Palestinian leaders makes me hopeful that he will schedule some peace talks between the two sides and see if they can get closer to resolution.
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  • fuck
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    I actually don't fault Nader for not having a solution. I fault him for so blindly siding with the Palestinians. Israel hasn't been willing to compromise before why would they do it with a known Israel basher like Nader.
    I know you don't faulted Nader for not having a solution, I wasn't referring to you in that post.

    Nader doesn't blindly support Palestine, any more than the entire world does. He supports the international consensus of Israel withdrawing from the occupied territories, followed by peace talks between ALL Palestinian leaders (including Hamas) and Israel, as well as an end to violence.
    However it should not be the US job to have a plan for peace between the two sides. The US should only be acting as the mediator in the resolution.
    The US made it their job when they started blindly supporting Israel and giving financial aid to the Israelis which was used for military power.
    I think a lot of you forget that Israel is an official ally of the US not Palestine so it's common sense thats who we end up supporting in the conflict. The fact that Obama is meeting with Palestinian leaders makes me hopeful that he will schedule some peace talks between the two sides and see if they can get closer to resolution.
    He's not meeting with Palestinian leaders because he's ignoring Hamas- the democratically elected government. Not only that, but just because Israel is an ally doesn't mean we have to lend blind support their way.
  • Its Evolution Baby
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    No matter what picture you guys want to paint of Hamas the fact is they are very anti semantic in there preachings and have engaged in Terrorist like activity including killing of Israeli citizens.

    We should not meet with them for those reasons. He met with the Palestinian President which is good enough for me.
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  • polaris
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    No matter what picture you guys want to paint of Hamas the fact is they are very anti semantic in there preachings and have engaged in Terrorist like activity including killing of Israeli citizens.

    We should not meet with them for those reasons. He met with the Palestinian President which is good enough for me.

    if that is your guidelines ... most world leaders shouldn't be met for anything ...

    terrorism occurs at many levels whether it is labelled as such is the only difference ...
  • Its Evolution Baby
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    polaris wrote:
    if that is your guidelines ... most world leaders shouldn't be met for anything ...

    terrorism occurs at many levels whether it is labelled as such is the only difference ...

    Most political parties don't walk around town with missile launchers. I get your point but I don't know if it applies to Hamas.
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  • fuck
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Most political parties don't walk around town with missile launchers. I get your point but I don't know if it applies to Hamas.
    That's probably because most political parties have an actual military.
  • polaris
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    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    Most political parties don't walk around town with missile launchers. I get your point but I don't know if it applies to Hamas.

    you take all deaths that HAMAS is responsible for and it pales in comparison to the innocent lives lost in this war in Iraq ... or the palestinian lives lost for that matter at the hands of the israelis ... denying access to medicines and clean water can have just a devastating affect as some RPG
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    I've come to expect Obama to give Israel the deepest throat BJ at every turn.

    so far... so good ;)
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