question: if these nice fellas had not thrown a keg party with underage kids and hired a stripper...would we be having this discussion...?
as for you last comment...in no way did I say any of that...
Of the vast multitudes of people who routinely drink beer at thier homes and occasionally hire "exotic dancers" for say a batchelor party....how many deserve to be falsely accused of rape and so on and so forth...?
The difference between this story and an Oscar winning movie is completely based on the skin color of these kids. I thought that's what we were supposed to be fighting against.
The right thing to do is for the community to appologize to these kids and for Duke to pay thier legal fees.
It'd be the right thing to do no matter what color the skin ability to pay lawyers or poorness of judgment the kids showed a year ago.
I fight the same fight here in Georgia where idiots have locked up a kid who was headed to Vanderbilt but unfortunately chose to have sex in a bathroom with a little white girl who happened to be 15 or so when he was 17.
I find it absolutely deplorable that an intelligent young man is rotting in jail for 10 years because some fucking troglodite in the state legislature put a zero tolerance clause in statutory rape legislation so he could get elected.
So yes, absolutely the world owes these kids an appology.
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Of the vast multitudes of people who routinely drink beer at thier homes and occasionally hire "exotic dancers" for say a batchelor party....how many deserve to be falsely accused of rape and so on and so forth...?
I'm not saying that at all...but one chooses to put their self in a position that can end badly...that's on them...
if you play with fire, you may just get burned...
we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...we'll never know...
I'm not saying that at all...but one chooses to put their self in a position that can end badly...that's on them...
if you play with fire, you may just get burned...
we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...we'll never know...
Well considering one of them wasn't even in the building when the party was going on, do you lump him in with the rest?
I guess taking a cab, getting fast food, going to an atm machine and then getting dropped off at your girlfriend's place like he did was playing with fire.
Well considering one of them wasn't even in the building when the party was going on, do you lump him in with the rest?
I guess taking a cab, getting fast food, going to an atm machine and then getting dropped off at your girlfriend's place like he did was playing with fire.
ok...you win on that one...
I'm sorry kid who was at a party and got drunk, took a cab a went to his girlfriends...at least that's what his lawyer said...
how about the other two...did they play with fire...?
If "anyone" owes anyone an apology it's the American public who ravenously watched the story unfold via the corporate media....
with that said, I fell little sympathy for these fine young men....they chose to have a keg party and they hired a stripper...what did they think, they were getting top o' the line entertainment...
my point is, they put themselves in a situation, it ended badly...it happens...
Are you serious? That is officially the worst post on this board...ever. Having a keg party and paying for a stripper equates to being falsely accused of rape, kidnapping and getting suspended from school? Other than actually being raped, or being murdered, I can't think of a worse thing to have happen to someone than to be falsely accused of rape over the course of a year and a month.
I'm sorry kid who was at a party and got drunk, took a cab a went to his girlfriends...at least that's what his lawyer said...
how about the other two...did they play with fire...?
The kid wasn't drunk and it wasn't his lawyer's story. It was the cabbie's story, the atm camera's story, the fast food restaurant camera's story and the dorm's story that showed his id being swiped in.
I guess what I'm having a problem with is your whole playing with fire thing.
These sort of parties happen all the time in college.
If the stripper who lied was white, this would never have been a national issue.
Of course she was portrayed as a victim and the fact that she had filed previous false allegations and assaulted a cop was hidden from the public.
I supported them the whole time and knew this case had no legs. I'm just glad to see them vindicated and hope that the DA who only tried the case to get re-elected spends a long time in jail.
I'm not saying that at all...but one chooses to put their self in a position that can end badly...that's on them...
if you play with fire, you may just get burned...
we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...we'll never know...
NO dingbat, the charges weren't just dropped, the AG of North Carolina declared them INNOCENT, which is unparelled in American justice history. He didn't say the case could not be pursued, he declared them completely INNOCENT and stated that the strippers story was false. We do know what happened. Period.
Are you serious? That is officially the worst post on this board...ever. Having a keg party and paying for a stripper equates to being falsely accused of rape, kidnapping and getting suspended from school? Other than actually being raped, or being murdered, I can't think of a worse thing to have happen to someone than to be falsely accused of rape over the course of a year and a month.
thanks for joining the discussion, o' great post moderator...
perhaps if you step back, breath a bit, and attempt...which here means: try, to understand what I'm saying, you may be able to grasp my point...
and thanks for the compliment...that meant nothing coming from you...:)
The kid wasn't drunk and it wasn't his lawyer's story. It was the cabbie's story, the atm camera's story, the fast food restaurant camera's story and the dorm's story that showed his id being swiped in.
I guess what I'm having a problem with is your whole playing with fire thing.
These sort of parties happen all the time in college.
If the stripper who lied was white, this would never have been a national issue.
Of course she was portrayed as a victim and the fact that she had filed previous false allegations and assaulted a cop was hidden from the public.
I supported them the whole time and knew this case had no legs. I'm just glad to see them vindicated and hope that the DA who only tried the case to get re-elected spends a long time in jail.
good for you...hannity devoted a lot of time to this as well...
anyhoo...that's great that "These sort of parties happen all the time in college"...just so you know, I threw those kinds of parties and attended many more...just because these parties occur "all the time" does not mean that things can't go wrong...
alcohol + young males + unstable stripper = bad things, in this case...
I'm sure you watched every minute of the coverage...thusly, you are partly to blame...if the media did not have an audience with this...it would not have received the coverage it did...
NO dingbat, the charges weren't just dropped, the AG of North Carolina declared them INNOCENT, which is unparelled in American justice history. He didn't say the case could not be pursued, he declared them completely INNOCENT and stated that the strippers story was false. We do know what happened. Period.
hmmm...
let's see...dingbat (ok, archie) and simpleton...nice...can you make a point without namecalling...are we in 4th grade again...
by the way, were you there and why are you getting so pissy....
as a african american i can assure you jackson and sharpton don't represent my opinions or everyones opinion in the black community. Only those willing to over look their own problems and short commings by blaming whitey.
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let's see...dingbat (ok, archie) and simpleton...nice...can you make a point without namecalling...are we in 4th grade again...
by the way, were you there and why are you getting so pissy....
Become informed, and then you will be treated like an adult, until then 4th grade is in session. Your comment that "we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...", would have made sense under normal circumstances, but the AG's comments yesterday were anything but normal.
Become informed, and then you will be treated like an adult, until then 4th grade is in sesssion. Your comment that "we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...", would have made sense under normal circumstances, but the AG's comments yesterday were anything but normal.
blah blah blah...
of course they weren't normal.. this situation wasn't normal...
bottom line: if your going to put yourself in a bad position....don't bitch when something bad happens...
I understand sharpton and jackson aren't appointed leaders voted in by the people in any office to represent the black community as a whole but the fact is they open their mouths in every instance of racial discrimination and are perceived by alot of people to be leaders of sorts. the media is to blame for calling on them to voice their opinions and have them broadcast their nonsense before any evidence ever even hits the table. and now that they have been made fools of they are too cowardly to do the right thing and apologize. yet they were so swift to hang imus out to dry for a comment that is so stupid. being called a nappy headed ho has no life altering effect. yeah i'm sure those girls have nightmares and have lost so much sleep over the nappy headed ho incident!! i don't know how they'll ever overcome such a life altering statement..give me a fucking break. years from now while filling out a job application nobody's gonna ask ohh you're one of the nappy headed ho's right? not a chance !! but they will always remember these three guys as being the accused rapists. and i would bet my ass these three lost plenty of sleep, time, money and opportunity and had fear for their lives with all the threats and humiliation the black community put them through..if sharpton and the rest of them don't apologize they should never be given a mic to ever say shit publicly again and should be fired from their possitions they are in now.
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This was a ridiculous series of events. It's a shame that the foolish and childish lies of a fool can infect an entire society with hate, anger, and all things unreasonable.
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I always kept an open-mind about this case.
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Of the vast multitudes of people who routinely drink beer at thier homes and occasionally hire "exotic dancers" for say a batchelor party....how many deserve to be falsely accused of rape and so on and so forth...?
The difference between this story and an Oscar winning movie is completely based on the skin color of these kids. I thought that's what we were supposed to be fighting against.
The right thing to do is for the community to appologize to these kids and for Duke to pay thier legal fees.
It'd be the right thing to do no matter what color the skin ability to pay lawyers or poorness of judgment the kids showed a year ago.
I fight the same fight here in Georgia where idiots have locked up a kid who was headed to Vanderbilt but unfortunately chose to have sex in a bathroom with a little white girl who happened to be 15 or so when he was 17.
I find it absolutely deplorable that an intelligent young man is rotting in jail for 10 years because some fucking troglodite in the state legislature put a zero tolerance clause in statutory rape legislation so he could get elected.
So yes, absolutely the world owes these kids an appology.
I'm not saying that at all...but one chooses to put their self in a position that can end badly...that's on them...
if you play with fire, you may just get burned...
we assume since the charges were dropped that nothing happened...we'll never know...
Well considering one of them wasn't even in the building when the party was going on, do you lump him in with the rest?
I guess taking a cab, getting fast food, going to an atm machine and then getting dropped off at your girlfriend's place like he did was playing with fire.
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ok...you win on that one...
I'm sorry kid who was at a party and got drunk, took a cab a went to his girlfriends...at least that's what his lawyer said...
how about the other two...did they play with fire...?
Are you serious? That is officially the worst post on this board...ever. Having a keg party and paying for a stripper equates to being falsely accused of rape, kidnapping and getting suspended from school? Other than actually being raped, or being murdered, I can't think of a worse thing to have happen to someone than to be falsely accused of rape over the course of a year and a month.
The kid wasn't drunk and it wasn't his lawyer's story. It was the cabbie's story, the atm camera's story, the fast food restaurant camera's story and the dorm's story that showed his id being swiped in.
I guess what I'm having a problem with is your whole playing with fire thing.
These sort of parties happen all the time in college.
If the stripper who lied was white, this would never have been a national issue.
Of course she was portrayed as a victim and the fact that she had filed previous false allegations and assaulted a cop was hidden from the public.
I supported them the whole time and knew this case had no legs. I'm just glad to see them vindicated and hope that the DA who only tried the case to get re-elected spends a long time in jail.
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NO dingbat, the charges weren't just dropped, the AG of North Carolina declared them INNOCENT, which is unparelled in American justice history. He didn't say the case could not be pursued, he declared them completely INNOCENT and stated that the strippers story was false. We do know what happened. Period.
thanks for joining the discussion, o' great post moderator...
perhaps if you step back, breath a bit, and attempt...which here means: try, to understand what I'm saying, you may be able to grasp my point...
and thanks for the compliment...that meant nothing coming from you...:)
Believe me I can "grasp" your point. It uses logic on the level of a simpleton.
good for you...hannity devoted a lot of time to this as well...
anyhoo...that's great that "These sort of parties happen all the time in college"...just so you know, I threw those kinds of parties and attended many more...just because these parties occur "all the time" does not mean that things can't go wrong...
alcohol + young males + unstable stripper = bad things, in this case...
I'm sure you watched every minute of the coverage...thusly, you are partly to blame...if the media did not have an audience with this...it would not have received the coverage it did...
so say you're sorry...
hmmm...
let's see...dingbat (ok, archie) and simpleton...nice...can you make a point without namecalling...are we in 4th grade again...
by the way, were you there and why are you getting so pissy....
"No one cares about climbing stairs, Nothing at the top no more." Chris Cornell
Become informed, and then you will be treated like an adult, until then 4th grade is in session.
blah blah blah...
of course they weren't normal.. this situation wasn't normal...
bottom line: if your going to put yourself in a bad position....don't bitch when something bad happens...
Can you see me now
I am myself
Like you somehow
I'll ride the wave
Where it takes me
I'll hold the pain
Release me
They believe in free-will
I always kept an open-mind about this case.