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I Feel F'n Helpless Today

UNH1995UNH1995 Worcester Posts: 356
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
I am so fuckin enraged today about the spineless democrats and the arrogant evil Mr. Bush.

It is clear to me that no one give a rats ass what the people think. Mid-Term Elections, Opinion Polls, Death Counts - they are all fuckin useless because Bush and his criminal buddies are smarter than we are. If we end this loser war "they will come and git us"

I cant believe what is happening. It makes my skin crawl, my blood pressure rise and makes me want to cry.

I really feel helpless today. I have a peace bumper-sticker on my truck and that is the extent of the power that I feel that I have in influencing the course of events in the screwed-up world.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    UNH1995 wrote:
    I am so fuckin enraged today about the spineless democrats and the arrogant evil Mr. Bush.

    It is clear to me that no one give a rats ass what the people think. Mid-Term Elections, Opinion Polls, Death Counts - they are all fuckin useless because Bush and his criminal buddies are smarter than we are. If we end this loser war "they will come and git us"

    I cant believe what is happening. It makes my skin crawl, my blood pressure rise and makes me want to cry.

    I really feel helpless today. I have a peace bumper-sticker on my truck and that is the extent of the power that I feel that I have in influencing the course of events in the screwed-up world.

    I feel ya.

    Some might tell you to run for office, but our whole political system needs to be scrapped, in my opinion.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • UNH1995UNH1995 Worcester Posts: 356
    I know that American's are weird and wild. I know that our values can be misinterpreted to be so out of whack, our emphasis on stuff and more stuff, and our miserably obese population. All that being said and understood, I can't help but think that we are pretty decent folks. And that most humans are pretty decent folks. And, our policy makers are really the face of American, and how others around the world view America. I am not Congress, I am not Bush, and I am not Dick Cheney. It is so embarrassing and frustrating to think that people view us not as a generous and kind 300 million, but as the supporters and backers of evil criminals like Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld and Powell and .......

    It is a sad dad. A really sad day.
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,749
    know1 wrote:
    I feel ya.

    Some might tell you to run for office, but our whole political system needs to be scrapped, in my opinion.
    scrap the entire political system????

    then what do you have in mind????


    just curious...
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  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    know1 wrote:
    ...our whole political system needs to be scrapped, in my opinion.

    Suggestions? I've thought about this same point for some time, and I don't know about a full-fledged scrapping, but I'd be interested to hear any remedies you might have considered.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    scrap the entire political system????

    then what do you have in mind????


    just curious...


    One idea that might be feasible as technology gets better is to have people vote on individual issues or legislation rather than having a representative do it for them. Something you could do here would be instead of electing 1 senator from your district, you could select 1000 (or 10,000 or whatever) people who will have the ability to go online or by phone or whatever and vote on each issue proposed.

    Another is to disband the party system and have candidates just run on issues only.

    The biggest problem is the gridlock and influence by having so few people represent us all.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    I feel ya.

    Some might tell you to run for office, but our whole political system needs to be scrapped, in my opinion.



    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    know1 wrote:
    One idea that might be feasible as technology gets better is to have people vote on individual issues or legislation rather than having a representative do it for them.

    I'm still on the fence on the direct participation initiative, only because it seems like the same potential for a "tyranny of the minority" could exist given the poor turnout we get even for Presidential elections.

    But, at the same time, I also like the idea of being more directly involved in the passing of laws that have an impact on my life. It's definitely worth having a dialogue on though.

    I put a coupla links below for you to look over, Mike Gravel is in favor of the idea.

    http://ni4d.us/
    http://www.gravel2008.us/national_initiative
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    First step...take the $ out of the game.

    And this time, do it right.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    know1 wrote:
    One idea that might be feasible as technology gets better is to have people vote on individual issues or legislation rather than having a representative do it for them. Something you could do here would be instead of electing 1 senator from your district, you could select 1000 (or 10,000 or whatever) people who will have the ability to go online or by phone or whatever and vote on each issue proposed.

    Another is to disband the party system and have candidates just run on issues only.

    The biggest problem is the gridlock and influence by having so few people represent us all.

    I like the idea of having multiple people vote, but how would we handle drafting and writing legislation??? Should we still have the senators congressmen etc... there to draft legislation but then have X amount of people from a district/ state vote on it? That would quite possibly limit the effect of special interests???

    I think if we have that many people represent us we will either have a huge amount of gridlock, or legislation that is ridiculously simple.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    chopitdown wrote:
    I like the idea of having multiple people vote, but how would we handle drafting and writing legislation??? Should we still have the senators congressmen etc... there to draft legislation but then have X amount of people from a district/ state vote on it? That would quite possibly limit the effect of special interests???

    I think if we have that many people represent us we will either have a huge amount of gridlock, or legislation that is ridiculously simple.

    Yes - legislation would still need to be drafted by someone. Of course, I think the federal government has its hand in too many things and issues right now and I would also be in favor of limiting the types of legislation they could even be working on.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,378
    get rid of the lobbyists!
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    know1 wrote:
    One idea that might be feasible as technology gets better is to have people vote on individual issues or legislation rather than having a representative do it for them. Something you could do here would be instead of electing 1 senator from your district, you could select 1000 (or 10,000 or whatever) people who will have the ability to go online or by phone or whatever and vote on each issue proposed.

    Another is to disband the party system and have candidates just run on issues only.

    The biggest problem is the gridlock and influence by having so few people represent us all.

    Disbanding the party system won't really help... People are still going to form working alliances with people of similar beliefs.

    Cincy was right to get the money out... if we can get the money out of the election process and get hard term limits that could help. The longer someone stays in office the more ties and corrupt they get.

    I was thinking a limit of two 2-year terms, but how campaigns are now, they would spend most of their 2nd year campaigning for re-election. Maybe just a 4 year term and then you are out?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Disbanding the party system won't really help... People are still going to form working alliances with people of similar beliefs.

    Cincy was right to get the money out... if we can get the money out of the election process and get hard term limits that could help. The longer someone stays in office the more ties and corrupt they get.

    I was thinking a limit of two 2-year terms, but how campaigns are now, they would spend most of their 2nd year campaigning for re-election. Maybe just a 4 year term and then you are out?

    I agree that people are still going to form working alliances, but I think it's ridiculous to try and pigeonhole everyone into 2 parties. Maybe if there were 20 parties it would at least be an improvement.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    know1 wrote:
    I agree that people are still going to form working alliances, but I think it's ridiculous to try and pigeonhole everyone into 2 parties. Maybe if there were 20 parties it would at least be an improvement.


    A question about this? The people who are disgruntled about the way things are run. Do they still vote for the party that their parents told them to? You know that if there are that many people who hate the system and they dared to venture and vote for some third party schmo, that maybe it would open some eyes up, instead of fearing your friend tell you that you've wasted a vote. Seems to me that voting for either of the two parties down there seems to be a wasted vote. When you are tossing up the "worst of two evils" comment, it sounds just as stupid as "wasting a vote". Just my view from reading how a lot of people on this board want a change and then proceed to vote for Dem or Rep.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    even flow? wrote:
    A question about this? The people who are disgruntled about the way things are run. Do they still vote for the party that their parents told them to? You know that if there are that many people who hate the system and they dared to venture and vote for some third party schmo, that maybe it would open some eyes up, instead of fearing your friend tell you that you've wasted a vote. Seems to me that voting for either of the two parties down there seems to be a wasted vote. When you are tossing up the "worst of two evils" comment, it sounds just as stupid as "wasting a vote". Just my view from reading how a lot of people on this board want a change and then proceed to vote for Dem or Rep.

    Speaking for myself - I don't vote.

    (and I have no idea who my parents ever voted for who what party they are registered to)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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