I'm feeling some hostility from you...you say the world doesn't care; really? Then why this story was on the headlines news in newspapers from: Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, France, Germany, Spain, USA, Italia, UK, Russia, Ukraine, and plenty of other countries. The press coverage of yesterday's referendum has huuuge.
Well, I feel it is important that the international public opinion knows if something bogus happened with the final result.
Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.
I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.
It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.
Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.
I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.
It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.
I know Ukraine is not a global player. I was just stressing the magnitude of the coverage.
And so you know, people who do have a saying in global politics, not you and me, do care about procedures as well. They say a lot about the quality of democracy.
Sorry American liberals. You wished so hard, but came up short.
i didn't wish anything one way or the other. if anything, this is a big fuck you to the conservatives who rant about what an evil dictator chavez is. but when it comes down to it, he is doing the will of the venezuelan people and this only proves that it is the venezuelans in control, not evil dictator chavez.
The US didn't have a limit on terms of office until after FDR was reelected four consecutive times, only 50 years ago. So, was the US a tyranny or dictatorship before that?
The referendum would've let Chavez run for office indefinitely, but he would still need to be elected by the populace. How is that a dictatorship? And, I think that saying "This referedum would have made Chavez president for life" is completely inflammatory and inaccurate.
I was pleasantly surprised to hear this news on the radio this morning. Kudos to the Venezuelan voters to whom I have not given enough credit. And kudos are due as well to Hugo Chavez for apparently respecting the outcome of this vote. There is still much work to be done in Venzuela, but this is a welcome step away from the precipice.
Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.
I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.
It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.
If you don't care, go away. Plenty of people are interested in this election. Wins and losses are always measured using margins of victory or defeat as indicators.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
The US didn't have a limit on terms of office until after FDR was reelected four consecutive times, only 50 years ago. So, was the US a tyranny or dictatorship before that?
The referendum would've let Chavez run for office indefinitely, but he would still need to be elected by the populace. How is that a dictatorship? And, I think that saying "This referedum would have made Chavez president for life" is completely inflammatory and inaccurate.
This referendum was about much more than term limits within the context of dictatorial and tyrannical regimes. Furthermore, one need only to look at the actions Chavez has taken over the past 15 years to see that he certainly does want to stay in office for life and that he has attempted to restructure the political landscape to make that a reality.
That said, it is most certainly misleading to label this referendum alone as inaugurating Chavez "for life", but I fail to see how it is "infammatory or inaccurate" to classify this referendum as part of a movement towards doing that.
Thanks for the enlightening. Silly me, I thought the world was just made of people.
Come on man, of course I know all of that, having completed my elementary and high school education (plus University and Grad School) I'm willing to say I'm aware of basic geography.
Nevertheless, I'm feeling overjoyed, so I'll rephrase, it is important to let the international public opinion know if something fishy happened
That's one use. Caterina's usage was also correct, and everyone except you apparently understood its usage. I understand that you're probably not happy with the election results, but why do you fixate on this type of thing? Your attempt to deflect attention from the actual subject of the topic is transparent.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
That's one use. Caterina's usage was also correct, and everyone except you apparently understood its usage. I understand that you're probably not happy with the election results, but why do you fixate on this type of thing? Your attempt to deflect attention from the actual subject of the topic is transparent.
If I'm deflecting anything it is the hype.
And Caterina was in error in her reply. I was speaking of what some call geology, and she thought of it as geography.
Big difference.
sounds like someone's a bit bitter about the uselessness of their undergrad degree
isn't caterina a non-native english speaker? she's allowed a few mistakes in vocabulary.
I had a good friend who was a geology major. Now he's a Geology professor. Pretty cool dude, and he used to grow some of the best bud in the land.
If it were an honest mistake on Caterina's part, I can see past that. Being that she was touting her education, it seems a rather large oversight on her part.
I had a good friend who was a geology major. Now he's a Geology professor. Pretty cool dude, and he used to grow some of the best bud in the land.
If it were an honest mistake on Caterina's part, I can see past that. Being that she was touting her education, it seems a rather large oversight on her part.
You know, as I was writing, I thought I should post both geography and geology. The thing is, I never had a subject actually called geology, so to be accurate I only wrote geography. But this is such a petty issue, I wasn't touting my education, I was being a little obnoxius (I apologize for that), but I didn't like the patronizing tone of the post regarding the composition of the world.
Yes, English is not my first language. My native tongue is Spanish and Italian is my second language via my father. Nevertheless, I think I convey my thoughts pretty well in English.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is regular procedure according the Electoral Council, so there's nothing strange about it. However, it will clear the air in Venezuela. There's plenty of information pointing towards a larger difference in favor of NO. We'll see
I guess so.
I think Chavez is just a megalomaniac with the wrong friends.
I'm not so sure about that. The fact that the man was trying to change the Constitution to: a) get the chance for indefinite reelection; b) gerrymander Venezuela's geography, getting the power -without further requirement- to appoint governors, majors and regional authorities and, last but not least and c) to decree "state of emergency/excepcion" whenever he wanted for as long as he wanted; during such states, Habeas Corpus, Due Process Laws and Constitutional Warrants would be uneffective, among others doesn't do much service for his democratic credentials.
(Before anybody says, but in some European countries there are no term limits for Chancellors or Prime Ministers, well there are significant differences between a parliamentary regime and a presidential one)
The reform had one good issue though: reform the social security system to expand its coverage to informal workers. This should be passed by the National Assembly, and I think it will.
Those are the serious parts of the reform. There are others that are just funny, like proposing to change Caracas (Venezuela's capital) name to "The Queen of the Guaraira Repano". (the Guaraira Repano is a mountain in Caracas).
It is important thing to keep in mind that this reform proposal was actually unconstitutional. According to the 1999 Constitution (approved during Chavez' first term), a Constitutional Reform can only take place if a Constituent Assembly proposes it. Of course, Venezuela's Supreme Court -with 100% of judges appointed by Chavez- looked the other way and let the man pursue his ambition.
Besides, Chavez simply didn't need the change the Constitution to carry out most of the reforms. Last year the National Assembly gave Chavez extraordinary powers (Poderes Habilitantes, in Spanish) to rule by decree for 18 months. Indeed, changes to private property regulations, social security regime, amount of hours worked per day, among other, recquire not a Constitutional Reform. The real reason for reforming the Constitution was: indefinite reelection, elminating popular vote for Governors, Majors, etc and having the power to decree states of emergency.
Furthermore, last Monday (day after the election) he said he doesn't care the reform wasn't approved by the people of Venezuela. He'll try to make it pass anyway. Why bother making the Referendum then?
You know, as I was writing, I thought I should post both geography and geology. The thing is, I never had a subject actually called geology, so to be accurate I only wrote geography. But this is such a petty issue, I wasn't touting my education, I was being a little obnoxius (I apologize for that), but I didn't like the patronizing tone of the post regarding the composition of the world.
Yes, English is not my first language. My native tongue is Spanish and Italian is my second language via my father. Nevertheless, I think I convey my thoughts pretty well in English.
the fact that you can type this makes you more intelligent than 99% of the americans on here, including myself, who can speak english and maybe type a sentence in spanish like "i would like to order a hot dog" but couldn't discuss complex political topics in another language to save their lives.
This is regular procedure according the Electoral Council, so there's nothing strange about it. However, it will clear the air in Venezuela. There's plenty of information pointing towards a larger difference in favor of NO. We'll see
Agree, it's to be expected on such a close margin. It is required for sure. I'm thinking it will will fall to the NO side as well. Chavez made a mistake.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the fact that you can type this makes you more intelligent than 99% of the americans on here, including myself, who can speak english and maybe type a sentence in spanish like "i would like to order a hot dog" but couldn't discuss complex political topics in another language to save their lives.
Well, wow thanks a lot , really it is quite a compliment. I feel there's plenty of smart people on this board, although sometimes they push their agendas so hard that forget to analyze things.
The fact that you can only type "quiero un perro caliente" (I'd like a hot dog ) doesn't make you less smart than me; to get a decent jod these days -at least in Latin America- you need to be profficient in English, let alone to get a job in an interntional organization. Italian, well I wasn't given much of a choice . But, from your posts I think you're quite smart...
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Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.
I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.
It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.
I know Ukraine is not a global player. I was just stressing the magnitude of the coverage.
And so you know, people who do have a saying in global politics, not you and me, do care about procedures as well. They say a lot about the quality of democracy.
i didn't wish anything one way or the other. if anything, this is a big fuck you to the conservatives who rant about what an evil dictator chavez is. but when it comes down to it, he is doing the will of the venezuelan people and this only proves that it is the venezuelans in control, not evil dictator chavez.
The referendum would've let Chavez run for office indefinitely, but he would still need to be elected by the populace. How is that a dictatorship? And, I think that saying "This referedum would have made Chavez president for life" is completely inflammatory and inaccurate.
If you don't care, go away. Plenty of people are interested in this election. Wins and losses are always measured using margins of victory or defeat as indicators.
This referendum was about much more than term limits within the context of dictatorial and tyrannical regimes. Furthermore, one need only to look at the actions Chavez has taken over the past 15 years to see that he certainly does want to stay in office for life and that he has attempted to restructure the political landscape to make that a reality.
That said, it is most certainly misleading to label this referendum alone as inaugurating Chavez "for life", but I fail to see how it is "infammatory or inaccurate" to classify this referendum as part of a movement towards doing that.
It's geology.
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That's one use. Caterina's usage was also correct, and everyone except you apparently understood its usage. I understand that you're probably not happy with the election results, but why do you fixate on this type of thing? Your attempt to deflect attention from the actual subject of the topic is transparent.
If I'm deflecting anything it is the hype.
And Caterina was in error in her reply. I was speaking of what some call geology, and she thought of it as geography.
Big difference.
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sounds like someone's a bit bitter about the uselessness of their undergrad degree
isn't caterina a non-native english speaker? she's allowed a few mistakes in vocabulary.
uhhh ... i majored in geography and land masses is in fact part of geography, so is the politics of venezuela ...
Hehe...funny that you should bring up "hype" in a discussion about Hugo Chavez.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrio_Adentro
I had a good friend who was a geology major. Now he's a Geology professor. Pretty cool dude, and he used to grow some of the best bud in the land.
If it were an honest mistake on Caterina's part, I can see past that. Being that she was touting her education, it seems a rather large oversight on her part.
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Land masses don't give a damn.
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You know, as I was writing, I thought I should post both geography and geology. The thing is, I never had a subject actually called geology, so to be accurate I only wrote geography. But this is such a petty issue, I wasn't touting my education, I was being a little obnoxius (I apologize for that), but I didn't like the patronizing tone of the post regarding the composition of the world.
Yes, English is not my first language. My native tongue is Spanish and Italian is my second language via my father. Nevertheless, I think I convey my thoughts pretty well in English.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/newsbrief/2948
I wonder what they'll find?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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This is regular procedure according the Electoral Council, so there's nothing strange about it. However, it will clear the air in Venezuela. There's plenty of information pointing towards a larger difference in favor of NO. We'll see
I guess so.
I think Chavez is just a megalomaniac with the wrong friends.
I'm not so sure about that. The fact that the man was trying to change the Constitution to: a) get the chance for indefinite reelection; b) gerrymander Venezuela's geography, getting the power -without further requirement- to appoint governors, majors and regional authorities and, last but not least and c) to decree "state of emergency/excepcion" whenever he wanted for as long as he wanted; during such states, Habeas Corpus, Due Process Laws and Constitutional Warrants would be uneffective, among others doesn't do much service for his democratic credentials.
(Before anybody says, but in some European countries there are no term limits for Chancellors or Prime Ministers, well there are significant differences between a parliamentary regime and a presidential one)
The reform had one good issue though: reform the social security system to expand its coverage to informal workers. This should be passed by the National Assembly, and I think it will.
Those are the serious parts of the reform. There are others that are just funny, like proposing to change Caracas (Venezuela's capital) name to "The Queen of the Guaraira Repano". (the Guaraira Repano is a mountain in Caracas).
It is important thing to keep in mind that this reform proposal was actually unconstitutional. According to the 1999 Constitution (approved during Chavez' first term), a Constitutional Reform can only take place if a Constituent Assembly proposes it. Of course, Venezuela's Supreme Court -with 100% of judges appointed by Chavez- looked the other way and let the man pursue his ambition.
Besides, Chavez simply didn't need the change the Constitution to carry out most of the reforms. Last year the National Assembly gave Chavez extraordinary powers (Poderes Habilitantes, in Spanish) to rule by decree for 18 months. Indeed, changes to private property regulations, social security regime, amount of hours worked per day, among other, recquire not a Constitutional Reform. The real reason for reforming the Constitution was: indefinite reelection, elminating popular vote for Governors, Majors, etc and having the power to decree states of emergency.
Furthermore, last Monday (day after the election) he said he doesn't care the reform wasn't approved by the people of Venezuela. He'll try to make it pass anyway. Why bother making the Referendum then?
EDIT: for grammar reasons
the fact that you can type this makes you more intelligent than 99% of the americans on here, including myself, who can speak english and maybe type a sentence in spanish like "i would like to order a hot dog" but couldn't discuss complex political topics in another language to save their lives.
Agree, it's to be expected on such a close margin. It is required for sure. I'm thinking it will will fall to the NO side as well. Chavez made a mistake.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Well, wow thanks a lot
The fact that you can only type "quiero un perro caliente" (I'd like a hot dog
Thanks again
Caterina
EDIT: grammar again