Chavez Loses!

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TheVoiceInside wrote:

I guess this proves that Chavez is not the dictator he is made out to be.

what about what he wanted to be?

prob a little more news to come outta this

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

The world doesn't care.

I'm feeling some hostility from you...you say the world doesn't care; really? Then why this story was on the headlines news in newspapers from: Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, France, Germany, Spain, USA, Italia, UK, Russia, Ukraine, and plenty of other countries. The press coverage of yesterday's referendum has huuuge.

Well, I feel it is important that the international public opinion knows if something bogus happened with the final result.

TheVoiceInside

bootlegger10 wrote:

It has only to do with the far left in this country. They LOOOVVVVEEEEE socialist government and tyrannical regimes.

Yeah like the far right doesnt like Tyranical regimes. Here is a hint, Saudi A...

TheVoiceInside

810wmb wrote:

what about what he wanted to be?

prob a little more news to come outta this

Look a true dictator wouldnt even had a referendum. he would have just chaged everything without consulting the poeple. Im no fan of Chavez but I think the media has it out on him and make him look like a ruthless dictator.

josevolution

this guy is going nowhwere he won't step down even if voted out he will become the next dictator of central america ....you can take that to the bank ...

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

I'm feeling some hostility from you...you say the world doesn't care; really? Then why this story was on the headlines news in newspapers from: Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, France, Germany, Spain, USA, Italia, UK, Russia, Ukraine, and plenty of other countries. The press coverage of yesterday's referendum has huuuge.

Well, I feel it is important that the international public opinion knows if something bogus happened with the final result.

No. No hostility. I'm sensitive about the use of the word "world." It is the earth, water, air, you know, the world.

CaterinaA

As Lien said on the other thread, come on guys don't be so ethnocentric!

Does it everything have to about the USA, the right and the left of the USA?

Come on, both sides, wisen up!!! All of you that seem to follow with interest what's going on in Venezuela did not get the students' message??? These kids ('cause they are at most 22) since past MAy have been championing reconcilitation among Venezuelans and getting across the message that the outcome of the Referendum could pave the way for unity in Venezuela.

Why can't we discuss this reform in a civilized manner without falling for the cliche? What's Bush got to do with it??

Peace!!

callen

bootlegger10 wrote:

Sorry American liberals. You wished so hard, but came up short.

funny.....I see Chavez's grab for power similiar to Cheney's. And like Cheney, Chavez uses the sheep in his country to increase his power through deception and lies.

callen

TheVoiceInside wrote:

Look a true dictator wouldnt even had a referendum. he would have just chaged everything without consulting the poeple. Im no fan of Chavez but I think the media has it out on him and make him look like a ruthless dictator.

He is a knucklehead....I mean..listen to his rhetoric. Course it could be finely crafted. I think he just underestimated the resistance, and now regrets putting this up for vote..and as others have said....I'll believe he relinquishes power when he steps down.

CaterinaA

gue_barium wrote:

No. No hostility. I'm sensitive about the use of the word "world." It is the earth, water, air, you know, the world.

Thanks for the enlightening. Silly me, I thought the world was just made of people.

Come on man, of course I know all of that, having completed my elementary and high school education (plus University and Grad School) I'm willing to say I'm aware of basic geography.

Nevertheless, I'm feeling overjoyed, so I'll rephrase, it is important to let the international public opinion know if something fishy happened

fuck

CaterinaA wrote:

I'm feeling some hostility from you...you say the world doesn't care; really? Then why this story was on the headlines news in newspapers from: Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, France, Germany, Spain, USA, Italia, UK, Russia, Ukraine, and plenty of other countries. The press coverage of yesterday's referendum has huuuge.

Well, I feel it is important that the international public opinion knows if something bogus happened with the final result.

Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.

I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.

It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.

CaterinaA

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.

I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.

It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.

I know Ukraine is not a global player. I was just stressing the magnitude of the coverage.

And so you know, people who do have a saying in global politics, not you and me, do care about procedures as well. They say a lot about the quality of democracy.

soulsinging

bootlegger10 wrote:

Sorry American liberals. You wished so hard, but came up short.

i didn't wish anything one way or the other. if anything, this is a big fuck you to the conservatives who rant about what an evil dictator chavez is. but when it comes down to it, he is doing the will of the venezuelan people and this only proves that it is the venezuelans in control, not evil dictator chavez.

qtegirl

The US didn't have a limit on terms of office until after FDR was reelected four consecutive times, only 50 years ago. So, was the US a tyranny or dictatorship before that?

The referendum would've let Chavez run for office indefinitely, but he would still need to be elected by the populace. How is that a dictatorship? And, I think that saying "This referedum would have made Chavez president for life" is completely inflammatory and inaccurate.

farfromglorified

I was pleasantly surprised to hear this news on the radio this morning. Kudos to the Venezuelan voters to whom I have not given enough credit. And kudos are due as well to Hugo Chavez for apparently respecting the outcome of this vote. There is still much work to be done in Venzuela, but this is a welcome step away from the precipice.

jeffbr

_FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:

Lol, well, if it's front page in Ukraine, you KNOW, it has to be a big story =D.

I don't think anyone gives a shit if something bogus happened.

It doesn't matter now how much he lost by, he lost and that's the end of it. We don't need more stories on it.

If you don't care, go away. Plenty of people are interested in this election. Wins and losses are always measured using margins of victory or defeat as indicators.

farfromglorified

qtegirl wrote:

The US didn't have a limit on terms of office until after FDR was reelected four consecutive times, only 50 years ago. So, was the US a tyranny or dictatorship before that?

The referendum would've let Chavez run for office indefinitely, but he would still need to be elected by the populace. How is that a dictatorship? And, I think that saying "This referedum would have made Chavez president for life" is completely inflammatory and inaccurate.

This referendum was about much more than term limits within the context of dictatorial and tyrannical regimes. Furthermore, one need only to look at the actions Chavez has taken over the past 15 years to see that he certainly does want to stay in office for life and that he has attempted to restructure the political landscape to make that a reality.

That said, it is most certainly misleading to label this referendum alone as inaugurating Chavez "for life", but I fail to see how it is "infammatory or inaccurate" to classify this referendum as part of a movement towards doing that.

gue_barium

CaterinaA wrote:

Thanks for the enlightening. Silly me, I thought the world was just made of people.

Come on man, of course I know all of that, having completed my elementary and high school education (plus University and Grad School) I'm willing to say I'm aware of basic geography.

Nevertheless, I'm feeling overjoyed, so I'll rephrase, it is important to let the international public opinion know if something fishy happened

It's geology.

jeffbr

gue_barium wrote:

It's geology.

That's one use. Caterina's usage was also correct, and everyone except you apparently understood its usage. I understand that you're probably not happy with the election results, but why do you fixate on this type of thing? Your attempt to deflect attention from the actual subject of the topic is transparent.

gue_barium

jeffbr wrote:

That's one use. Caterina's usage was also correct, and everyone except you apparently understood its usage. I understand that you're probably not happy with the election results, but why do you fixate on this type of thing? Your attempt to deflect attention from the actual subject of the topic is transparent.

If I'm deflecting anything it is the hype.

And Caterina was in error in her reply. I was speaking of what some call geology, and she thought of it as geography.
Big difference.