hilary or obama

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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    given the 2...obama w/o a doubt...even though he is muslim ;)
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  • BubbaBirch
    BubbaBirch Posts: 1,977
    I for one wont vote just based on the fact that they arent Republicans, hopefully others will do the same.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Ron Paul

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  • NCBRI
    NCBRI Posts: 1,902
    soulsinging wrote:
    john edwards. failing that, obama. only becos hillary would never get elected. unless the repubs run sam brownback.


    It'll be interesting to see if Edwards can hang in the race long enough with all the attention focussed on the other 2.
    Brian
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Mccain
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    neither, both are victims or rather proponents of the idea of "cult of personality". Its their image more than their actual ideas that drives this media frenzy.

    I said from the start, to get my vote, you have to have an explicit plan to get us out of iraq. Without that your useless. Both Obama and Clinton are pro-war. To my knowledge clinton has yet to renounce her vote on Iraq back in 2002, and she has yet to call the war a mistake and wrong. She still believes it to be a good war, just run by inept people. I remember watching Cspan in 2004 or so and it was an interview with Obama, he said he isnt a pacifist and doesnt believe in that stuff and even came out for attacking Iran and North Korea.

    As far as I am concerned, both are not qualified to be President. Indeed we need a woman president and a African American president but these two aint the right ones.

    With Kerry not running my hope is that our country in 2008 starts seriously considering electing a viable third party candidate, who isnt funded by coportations as all dems and all republicans are. We wont ever see change in society unless we elect this third party candidate.

    I mean would this war be any different if in January 2005 Kerry moved into the white house? Hell no, he wasnt against the war, and even called for sending the same amount of troops that Bush just called into battle 20,000.

    The Democratic platform seems to be: we arent against this war, and the entire idea of this war, but it is run by a cabal of idiots, and once we get in office things will change.

    Its more of a tactical difference. This isnt what we should stand for. I mean my god, we have two goddamn parties in this society, or one basically, and thats it! Isnt it time we had a change?

    Is electing Obama or Hilary really worth it if they follow through on the new Democratic key word "redeployment" and reposition our troops in Afghanistan instead of iraq? Is that really what we want?
  • Rapunzel64
    Rapunzel64 Posts: 129
    Neither.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
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  • world
    world Posts: 266
    none of the above
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    MyHandsBound wrote:
    the big question


    obama:)

    do either of the two have opinions on ANYTHING?

    judging by the frontrunners of both parties...2008 is shaping up to be a style, rather than substance, election.

    Is the west incapable of producing a leader who is clear about their ideas?

    Is anyone else ready to head into their basement and mix amonia and bleach out of sheer frustration? Seriously, let the dick cheney's debate the denis kuciniches...THIS is where the debate is...I WANT this. I want us to discuss our differences...not gloss over them for some phony good feelings. these are dopes who are running for president...there is not one qualified candidate, not one. it's a glorified reality show.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    do either of the two have opinions on ANYTHING?

    judging by the frontrunners of both parties...2008 is shaping up to be a style, rather than substance, election.

    Is the west incapable of producing a leader who is clear about their ideas?

    Is anyone else ready to head into their basement and mix amonia and bleach out of sheer frustration? Seriously, let the dick cheney's debate the denis kuciniches...THIS is where the debate is...these dopes running for president...it's a glorified reality show.

    lol Personally, I would be happy just seeing re-runs of the Cheney-Edwards debates for the next several election seasons. I haven't seen a blitz like those since May 10th, 1940.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    lol Personally, I would be happy just seeing re-runs of the Cheney-Edwards debates for the next several election seasons. I haven't seen a blitz like those since May 10th, 1940.

    Edwards...and Jim "I won b/c my opponent said the world macacca" Webb...serioulsy...what is with this "two Americas" bullshit? Are they still living in 1932?

    The GOP is screwed up, I'll admit, but the Dems are still living in 1917, 1932, 1968, or 1974, depending on the issue at hand.
    And you ask me what I want this year
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    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • RavennaSeattle1911
    RavennaSeattle1911 Posts: 478
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    obama all the way


    OBAMA IN 08

    all the way where? to hell?
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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Obama.

    If he doesn't win the nomination, I'll probably vote for McCain.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Well Obama has got some work to do as an early Time/CNN Poll has him 19% behind Hillary.

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1582130,00.html
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  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Obama is infinately more electable. He's attractive and well spoken and to date about 110% less vindictive and as far as I know, not a socialist. Less people simply know his name at this point. Hillary Clinton is a household name even in the households of dumbasses who don't pay attention to anything relavent to thier survival.

    I'm still hoping Ron Paul will make a run at it for the libertarians.
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I'm still hoping Ron Paul will make a run at it for the libertarians.

    He's taken a good step towards it by forming the exploratory comm. as a Republican.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    zstillings wrote:
    He's taken a good step towards it by forming the exploratory comm. as a Republican.


    cool, I just can't see him getting past a primary in the republican party.
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  • Dustin51
    Dustin51 Posts: 222
    I have to say that Obama has been very impressive. He dodged a bullet by not being around for the Iraq invasion vote too cause now he can say hey man I didnt want this war but this is what we need to do now. It's much better then saying..I supported it but now I wish I hadnt. We have all seen what Republicans do to Flip-Floppers!
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    cool, I just can't see him getting past a primary in the republican party.

    I doubt he will but maybe this will be a step to just move the campaign over to the Libertarian Party after the Republican Primaries. Doug Stanhope is also running for the Libertarians.

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