Ready for some religious instruction?
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READY FOR SOME RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION?
Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. . I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell her? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. . Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians.Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. . I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. . A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees' of abomination?
7. . Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. . Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia.
Back to the Bible
The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the definition of marriage. Pray that it will be according to Biblical principles.
With any forces insisting on variant definitions of marriage, pray that God's Word and His standards will be honored by our government."
Any religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. So here, in support of the Prayer Team's admirable goals, is a proposed Constitutional Amendment to codify marriage based on biblical
principles:
A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin.
If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any state, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen.
38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. . I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell her? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. . Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians.Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. . I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. . A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees' of abomination?
7. . Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. . Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your adoring fan, James M. Kauffman, Ed.D. Professor Emeritus Dept. of Curriculum, Instruction, and Special Education University of Virginia.
Back to the Bible
The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the definition of marriage. Pray that it will be according to Biblical principles.
With any forces insisting on variant definitions of marriage, pray that God's Word and His standards will be honored by our government."
Any religious person believes prayer should be balanced by action. So here, in support of the Prayer Team's admirable goals, is a proposed Constitutional Amendment to codify marriage based on biblical
principles:
A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin.
If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any state, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen.
38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Um.....I think his point is that these "laws" or "Rules" of the Bible are aburd. And seeing how people love to use selective passages from the Bible to support their arguments and beliefs, that maybe, just maybe, one should consider some of the passages which make the Bible seem like silly ramblings from a fool.
I believe that's the point he's making.
When does the Third sequel come out? I love sequels!!!
Will Jesus be returning to once again to play his fabulously popular character? Or are they pursing Tom Cruise for this sequel?
I think it makes it look absurd! I was asking for someone who doesn't think its absurd to defend.
This type thread is just an excuse for a type of persons to circle jerk each other, and then congradulate each other on being such fine, loving specimens of humanity.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
At least, over time, we got wiser and figured out the leeches thing was ridiculous and scrapped it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
:eek:......!!!!
ha ha ha ha ha....
the orginial post is.....priceless!!!
Can we reschedule for ...say......Friday afternoon?
damn, arrived too late...well, i'm not cleanin up this mess! :eek:
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
of course you will b/c that's reason. the guy who wrote that letter has an Ed.D in special education. I don't put a lot of stock in some guys "brilliant" letter in a field he's not even trained in. It wouldn't matter if anyone here went and defended and explained each of these, as someone said before these threads just become about how stupid religion is and everyone pats each other on the back, or circle jerks, whichever you so desire.
I love how people always take the old testament and pick and choose to show us how stupid the bible is w/o taking into account a little thing called the new testament which replaced a lot of the old testament. The one verse he quoted from the new testament was about divorce and it not being allowed. He conveniently ignored (by ignorance or willfull omission) the passage in Matthew that talks about how divorce is never desireable but is permissible due to infidelity. Again, if you really care about the verses and want genuine discussion about them find someone who is well educated in them and they can at least offer up explanations and set context for you don't just google bible stupidity and take that as "gospel".
it's all a blur......I don't even remember how it got this far:D
Because it's fun! These arguments will never end.
i'm sure there will be another "cirlcle jerk" later today, maybe you can make that one...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
nice play...attack the messenger...
I wonder, if god is omnipotent, why did s/he need to re-edit...?
yes i did attack the messenger in the first paragraph and in the second i offered refuting of one of his points and offered up ways to get answers. I'd say that's fairly productive. now how 'bout you respond my addressing the point in my second paragraph now that you've got the attack the messenger thing down
thanks...:)
as for addressing your second paragraph, hell, I don't know...I really don't subscribe to any organized religion, in fact, I think religion was put in place to keep the masses in line...
God detests all sin. If one assumes homosexuality to be a sin it is detested, as is lying, cheating, killing etc. Yes people do have struggles with homosexualtiy just like lying and cheating etc... it's b/c we are not perfect, no one is (except mccready when he's in the zone, but i digress). If there is someone who is heterosexual and they look down on someone who is gay that is a huge problem. I've said it before, to me it's an all or none thing. You are either 100% perfect or you are not perfect in God's eyes...no one is perfect so we're all in the same boat.
i agree that organized religion definitely tries to keep the masses inline. I saw a great quote re: this and it was " I don't have a religion, i have a relationship". That sums it up. To me Christianity is about having a relationship and getting "personal" if you will. It's not about saying the right thing at the right time in church. Or voting for a particular person b/c the religious right tells you to. Absolutely religion has been used as a means to control masses. To me, it's about wanting to learn more about God and if you want to base your life around his teachings which can be done through discussion, reading etc...
People are so worried about the homosexuality being a sin, yet, the 10 big ones are broken by leaders of nations who people vote into power. And I don't remember the "thou shalt not be gay" commandment while growing up.
I wonder if somebody like you (not offending just wondering) had a child and it grew up gay that you would look back and actually see the pattern developing as the years rolled by. Or if you would commit suicide wondering where you went wrong. Get where that is coming from. I don't think being gay is a choice by at least 80% of the gays out there.
I fully respect this....and I wish you the best in your quest to learn...I'm serious, I feel if something makes you happy and fullfilled, and it doesn't hurt anyone or anything, then keep on keepin' on...
...and you know that, how?
So you assume you know who "God " is and what "God" thinks and feels?
I think the reason that people are so worried about homosexuality being a sin is b/c most people don't struggle with it. Everyone struggles with lying etc... so it's commonplace so it's accepted that it occurs. But you have such a small amount of the population that struggles with homosexuality that it's easier to condemn that sin b/c the majority don't understand why or how you could be attracted to the same sex. There is references to sexual perversion in the Bible that condemn it though.
I def think there is a genetic predispositioning toward homosexuality and I don't think it's a choice in some instances. I think it's a struggle like everything else. I know I'll catch flack for this but if you think about it like an addiction (not equating the 2) and that some people are genetically easily addicted to drugs / alcohol and so they will spend a lot of time struggling with that genetic predisposition. The choice comes in to play if they choose to indulge in it. I feel some of it is the same with homosexuality. If you are a christian and want to follow christ I'm sure that is a difficult predisposition to reconcile with Christianity. I watched a suitemate of mine go through that and it was hell for him.
I would not commit suicide if I had a son or daughter who was gay. I won't lie and say I would be pleased (there's no way i would ever sever ties b/c of it) b/c I think that most people want the traditional view for their child. Most don't watch children grow up and say I hope steve finds a nice boy to marry (that's an assumption on my part, but I'm willing to guess it's fairly accurate). I would hope that i would love my child regardless. I'm sure we'd have discussions about it, but it's not worth cutting someone off b/c they are gay. Those are the sad stories when they occurr, Jesus called us to love everyone.