Who are the real fascists?

thankyougrandma

reborncareerist wrote:

Its a huge trend because Iran has put itself square in the spotlight, with all the posturing and bluster. They didn't pull Iran's name out of a hat and declare it fascist enemy of the month.

Sure, i won't defend Iran, but Iran is no different than many other country on this dirty planet, this Iran president probably love the attention he gets. To me he's just a radical right wing freak, and he's not alone on this planet. He's not worth all the attention he gets.

rebornFixer

thankyougrandma wrote:

Sure, i won't defend Iran, but Iran is no different than many other country on this dirty planet, this Iran president probably love the attention he gets. To me he's just a radical right wing freak, and he's not alone on this planet. He's not worth all the attention he gets.

Well, I can agree with your last point, for sure. The man gets more media exposure than he deserves.

NCfan

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, I can agree with your last point, for sure. The man gets more media exposure than he deserves.

You can chalk that up to our irresponsible world media.... they play one side against the other, with no regard.

It's like, Bush says this! Amdenijad says that! Let's have a fight! There're terrible. Fucking manipulating pictures!!!! Give me a break...

NMyTree

sliverstain wrote:

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the
growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than
the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism —
ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private power.":

President Franklin D. Roosevelt

The best post you've ever produced.

NMyTree

farfromglorified wrote:

Let's not pretend, however, that the US Government is more infected with fascism than Radical Islam. It is far less infected. Islamic extremist organizations and the typical political groups that stem from them are far more guilty of the items listed along with many items that are not on the list but should be. Not to defend the US Government here but let's get some perspective....in the context of fascism the US Government is the lesser of the two fascists.

Excellent job. [stands up and applauds]

ledvedderman

farfromglorified wrote:

Let me know when the US has a non-elected absolute ruler with no term limits and no check on his power and no ability to be removed from office short of full-on revolution.

Then it will sound familiar.

Non elected leader...check
No check on his power- check, at least not until November of this year if the Democratic Tsunami hits D.C. (thanks Leo)

I think that by the 14 points in my original post that there are small trickles of every one in America today, but I would not say we are a fascist state

Ahnimus

Everyone likes to post their definition of Fascism that works for them. Well, I'm just going to post what Marriam Webster says...

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

So it's like, security in place of liberty, and I am above the law and that kind of attitude in power. I've seen little indication that Iran doesn't consider it's people. All I've seen of Iran lately is the desire to enrich uranium, which it claims is for nuclear power, which will ultimately help it's people.

I've never once seen the President say "wipe Israel off the map" that is twisting what he has said. He has said "eliminate the Zionist regime" which isn't much different than what the USA did in Iraq. Ahmenijad (sp?) was an elected leader, thus he is not a dictator either. Way to expand a serious label such as fascism to all your enemies.

rebornFixer

Ahnimus wrote:

Everyone likes to post their definition of Fascism that works for them. Well, I'm just going to post what Marriam Webster says...

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

So it's like, security in place of liberty, and I am above the law and that kind of attitude in power. I've seen little indication that Iran doesn't consider it's people. All I've seen of Iran lately is the desire to enrich uranium, which it claims is for nuclear power, which will ultimately help it's people.

I've never once seen the President say "wipe Israel off the map" that is twisting what he has said. He has said "eliminate the Zionist regime" which isn't much different than what the USA did in Iraq. Ahmenijad (sp?) was an elected leader, thus he is not a dictator either. Way to expand a serious label such as fascism to all your enemies.

Um, I am pretty sure that the "wipe off the map" thing is an exact quote. And if all you've seen from Iran is an innocent desire to help its people, then your observational skills need serious work.

farfromglorified

ledvedderman wrote:

Non elected leader...check

:rolleyes:

Please don't pretend that the 2000/2004 election controversy equates to "non-elected leader" in the same way that an imposed absolute ruler equates to "non-elected leader".

No check on his power- check, at least not until November of this year if the Democratic Tsunami hits D.C. (thanks Leo)

Ok, so there is a check on his power? Not to mention Congress and the Constitution.

I think that by the 14 points in my original post that there are small trickles of every one in America today, but I would not say we are a fascist state

There are "small trickles" of every one in every nation today. The "small trickles" in Iran are full-on rivers and their population is drowning.

Ahnimus

reborncareerist wrote:

Um, I am pretty sure that the "wipe off the map" thing is an exact quote. And if all you've seen from Iran is an innocent desire to help its people, then your observational skills need serious work.

Well that's the kind of response I'd expect from you. Didn't you post the quote before and it was "Eliminate the Zionist regime"

I don't suppose you would be able to post it now. I highly doubt you'd find a video or audio recording of it. Just a headline.

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

I've seen little indication that Iran doesn't consider it's people.

I just puked a little. Dude, search around on the BBC or Wikipedia or anywhere for God's sake.

rebornFixer

Ahnimus wrote:

Well that's the kind of response I'd expect from you. Didn't you post the quote before and it was "Eliminate the Zionist regime"

I don't suppose you would be able to post it now. I highly doubt you'd find a video or audio recording of it. Just a headline.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15E6BF77-6F91-46EE-A4B5-A3CE0E9957EA.htm

Here it is, the exact quote. Read down ... And its even from a news source that you probably wouldn't attack.

Note where he says "wiped off the map".
Let me know if you need any help.

thankyougrandma

farfromglorified wrote:

I just puked a little. Dude, search around on the BBC or Wikipedia or anywhere for God's sake.

Iran is definitly not a political paradise.

Although i don't think they're the only country in this situation, which is why i see some hypocrisy in the talk against Iran alone, China still occupy a complete country and we say/do nothing to change that, anyway, Iran sure is not defendable.

audome25

thankyougrandma wrote:

Iran is definitly not a political paradise.

Although i don't think they're the only country in this situation, which is why i see some hypocrisy in the talk against Iran alone, China still occupy a complete country and we say/do nothing to change that, anyway, Iran sure is not defendable.

i too would liek to see the western world apply change on dozens of fronts. all at once.

ledvedderman

farfromglorified wrote:

:rolleyes:

Please don't pretend that the 2000/2004 election controversy equates to "non-elected leader" in the same way that an imposed absolute ruler equates to "non-elected leader".



Ok, so there is a check on his power? Not to mention Congress and the Constitution.



There are "small trickles" of every one in every nation today. The "small trickles" in Iran are full-on rivers and their population is drowning.

1) 2000/2004 lead us to have an "un-elected leader". I do understand though that it is much different than say an election in Iran.

2) There is the possibilty for checks, but with both the legislative giving a rubber stamp to anything this administration says, I wouldn't call it effective check. The judicial branch just decides to look the other way when appropriate.

3) I did intend to put the small trickles in every government in the planet, and worse in some countries.

Ahnimus

reborncareerist wrote:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15E6BF77-6F91-46EE-A4B5-A3CE0E9957EA.htm

Here it is, the exact quote. Read down ... And its even from a news source that you probably wouldn't attack.

Note where he says "wiped off the map".
Let me know if you need any help.

Umm, that's an arabic website, do they speak Farsi? Or are they just repeating the same thing over and over again?

One thing I've noticed about Al-Jazeera is they quite often take a story from CNN or CBC and just copy it on to their website. There is no credit to this article anywhere unfortunately. They don't state the source, however if you research what that Ayatollah Khomeini actually said, who Ahminijad is quoting, you will see that story is bullshit.

thankyougrandma

audome25 wrote:

i too would liek to see the western world apply change on dozens of fronts. all at once.

we're not changing anything, we're just talking about it, condemning only one front. If medias wouldn't suck that much, there would be place to have a special about at least a dozen different "front" in a 5 week days schedule.

Plus i don't think it's our responsability and duty to change anything out there, but informing people about ONE front constantly and repeating the same thing over and over again, sure lead to demonization of this front alone. Note how the current ennemies are all of muslim origins, when there's plenty of every races, religions and origins to talk/condemn about.

rebornFixer

Ahnimus wrote:

Umm, that's an arabic website, do they speak Farsi? Or are they just repeating the same thing over and over again?

One thing I've noticed about Al-Jazeera is they quite often take a story from CNN or CBC and just copy it on to their website. There is no credit to this article anywhere unfortunately. They don't state the source, however if you research what that Ayatollah Khomeini actually said, who Ahminijad is quoting, you will see that story is bullshit.

Well, you have one source that says he didn't say it, while every other source I've found says he did. Only someone who has already made up his mind would err on the side of going with the one source.
What is your motive, anyway? Are you a president of the guy's fanclub? His intent in making those comments was clear and plain, even to other countries in the Middle East. You're making random comments about Farsi as if that somehow proves that the guy's motives were pure. OK, so maybe he didn't say "wipe" ... Or maybe he did and he was actually talking about his arse, not Israel.
Cripes ...

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

Umm, that's an arabic website, do they speak Farsi? Or are they just repeating the same thing over and over again?

One thing I've noticed about Al-Jazeera is they quite often take a story from CNN or CBC and just copy it on to their website. There is no credit to this article anywhere unfortunately. They don't state the source, however if you research what that Ayatollah Khomeini actually said, who Ahminijad is quoting, you will see that story is bullshit.

Wow. This wins. Hands down. Most dishonest point ever made on this board.

Ahnimus

reborncareerist wrote:

Well, you have one source that says he didn't say it, while every other source I've found says he did. Only someone who has already made up his mind would err on the side of going with the one source.
What is your motive, anyway? Are you a president of the guy's fanclub? His intent in making those comments was clear and plain, even to other countries in the Middle East. You're making random comments about Farsi as if that somehow proves that the guy's motives were pure. OK, so maybe he didn't say "wipe" ... Or maybe he did and he was actually talking about his arse, not Israel.
Cripes ...

I found 157 sources saying what I said.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=een+rezhim-e+ishghalgar-e+qods+bayad+az+safheh-ye+ruzgar+mahv+shavad&meta=