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Scooter...Guilty

ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
Choose any news link you care, but he's guilty. Let the Presidential pardon clock begin ticking...
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    thats one thing we dont talk about around here. pardons. what an abuse of power. some, most, or all of those people were convicted of a crime for a reason. I mean just look at clinton's list.... there are some bad people there

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats one thing we dont talk about around here. pardons. what an abuse of power. some, most, or all of those people were convicted of a crime for a reason. I mean just look at clinton's list.... there are some bad people there

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

    I fully agree with you. This is the biggest abuse of power.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats one thing we dont talk about around here. pardons. what an abuse of power. some, most, or all of those people were convicted of a crime for a reason. I mean just look at clinton's list.... there are some bad people there

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm


    And if they weren't pardoned they would be playing golf at the local prison for rich people and calling it a prison term.
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    Club Fed, here he comes. Let the anal boomboom begin !!
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats one thing we dont talk about around here. pardons. what an abuse of power. some, most, or all of those people were convicted of a crime for a reason. I mean just look at clinton's list.... there are some bad people there

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

    I won't argue with you on this one jlew. Pardoning Marc Rich over Leonard Peltier will be something I don't know if I could ever forgive slick Willy for.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Choose any news link you care, but he's guilty. Let the Presidential pardon clock begin ticking...


    accountability....nice!
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    inmytree wrote:
    accountability....nice!
    lol, that way the Fox News people don't get their feelings hurt, and neither do the MSNBC people
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    They're a bunch of lying, theiving, manipulating crooks. I knew it from the beginning as many in the world..it just gets confirmed day after day....feel Bush II is worse than Nixon or any president of this great land. ...I feel real sympathy for those that trusted Bush and his cronies........and the far right must really be realing from being punked. Just remember...the more politicians use religion for gain....the more they're gonna fk you. Just go ahead and vote pro choice....those are the only rational folks anyway. (-:
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats one thing we dont talk about around here. pardons. what an abuse of power. some, most, or all of those people were convicted of a crime for a reason. I mean just look at clinton's list.... there are some bad people there

    http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

    they're meant for crimes that happened a long time ago....drug related..non violent....and the perp has turned his life around.......hell, I think all drug related criminals should be let out immediately.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    even flow? wrote:
    And if they weren't pardoned they would be playing golf at the local prison for rich people and calling it a prison term.

    um no
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    they're meant for crimes that happened a long time ago....drug related..non violent....and the perp has turned his life around.......hell, I think all drug related criminals should be let out immediately.

    is this...

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    is this...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

    but your reply was funny....
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:
    but your reply was funny....


    no? :eek:


    so you meant this...
    hell, I think all drug related criminals should be let out immediately.

    um why?
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    jlew24asu wrote:
    um no

    Sure he would be in general pop? :rolleyes: In my dreams he would be. I don't know about where you think he would be going with a sentence.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no? :eek:


    so you meant this...

    um why?

    we're highjacking a thread.....oh oh ...wait.....its a plan...to get the subject off of Libby and Cheney.... (-:

    but yea...I think all drug related offendors should be immediately released from prison.....possession, distribution....whatever....decriminilize drugs...treat and educate......but haven't we gone down this road soo many times.....

    lets keep on subject....bush got busted...bush got busted....bush got busted....

    oh and checked our your site...nice.....visited Chicago one time...many years ago...and loved it...will come back...hmmm pj's comming...
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    i cant wait to hear kool aid drinking right wing assholes explain it away when he is pardoned.
  • SuzannePjamSuzannePjam Posts: 411
    Of course, Libby will go for an appeal.

    Anyway, pardoning Scooty was probably all part of some deal Bush, Cheney and Libby worked out. "If you take the hit, Scooter, don't worry, Bush will pardon you." I'll come testify at your trial..."

    Reid is demanding that Bush not pardon Libby. Cheney won't comment when asked about it.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    SuzannePjam wrote:
    Of course, Libby will go for an appeal.

    Anyway, pardoning Scooty was probably all part of some deal Bush, Cheney and Libby worked out. "If you take the hit, Scooter, don't worry, Bush will pardon you." I'll come testify at your trial..."

    Reid is demanding that Bush not pardon Libby. Cheney won't comment when asked about it.

    Cheney did make one comment...."Grrrrrr"
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    My point of view on the subject is that,

    I can't understand why Libby was being tried for perjury instead of treason. Is it not considered an act of treason to expose a CIA agent, especially in "wartime"? The question of when he told the media pales in comparison to the fact that he DID tell the media and the REASON behind the leak. A leak which took place during the timeframe in which our country was is declared state of war in both in Afghanistan and Iraq. A leak which influenced and prolonged the foundation "to stay the course".

    So, now that perjury has been established. Now that it has been determined that Libby did leak this information during wartime. Shouldn't he be tried for treason? Look how many people have died and continue to die based on this deception of information.

    At the very least, he should have to serve his time in Leavenworth, like any other traitor who reveals an CIA's agent identity.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well that's a surprise, what of his conspirators?
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  • down_skidown_ski Posts: 328
    Who fucking cares?


    Back to Anna Nicole!
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well that's a surprise, what of his conspirators?


    Look, Libby will either be pardon or receive a sentence and sent to a place where it's more like a resort stay then a prison. Libby is a powerbroker is dirty work.

    Libby - Nixon - Watergate
    Libby - Reagan - Iran-Contra
    Libby - Bush - Afghanistan

    What do you think will happen to those who gave him his marching orders. They will continue, then fade into the background until the next decisive Republician change over takes place. By that time there will be no laws, no court, no division of power to prevent the absolute power in the execution of rule by the executive branch. That is the job of people like Libby. Of course, all this will be lost in the whole, liberal vs conservative bullshit. And a media comparison of well look what the Clintons did.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    puremagic wrote:
    Look, Libby will either be pardon or receive a sentence and sent to a place where it's more like a resort stay then a prison. Libby is a powerbroker is dirty work.

    Libby - Nixon - Watergate
    Libby - Reagan - Iran-Contra
    Libby - Bush - Afghanistan

    What do you think will happen to those who gave him his marching orders. They will continue, then fade into the background until the next decisive Republician change over takes place. By that time there will be no laws, no court, no division of power to prevent the absolute power in the execution of rule by the executive branch. That is the job of people like Libby. Of course, all this will be lost in the whole, liberal vs conservative bullshit. And a media comparison of well look what the Clintons did.

    Exactly! The shadow hand will fit yet another puppet.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Cheney issued a statement saying he was "very disappointed with the verdict."

    "I am saddened for Scooter and his family," Cheney said. "As I have said before, Scooter has served our nation tirelessly and with great distinction through many years of public service."

    So Cheney says scoots a hero...

    Why the heck are we all calling this lying dude scooter for anyways? It's like his name is already lessening the impact of what he did.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,931
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/docs/libby/

    A sample:

    We've heard testimony that Libby was told of Mrs. Wilson in June and July by:

    The Vice President, Grossman, Grenier, Judith Martin and Matthew Cooper.

    We've heard testimony that during that same time period he spoke of Mrs. Wilson to:

    Judith Miller (twice) Craig Schmall, Ari Fleischer.

    We've also heard testimony that he received from the Vice President a July 6 New York Times article by Joseph Wilson with a handwritten note about Wilson's wife.

    We've also heard testimony that Libby approached David Addington and asked if a CIA employee sent a spouse on a mission would there be a paper trail. A logical inference is that Libby was talking about Mrs. Wilson.

    We take a vote - 9 for conviction, 2 against.

    "I just think he was confused. He had a lot on his plate."
    "I just don't see why a man with that much intelligence and being a lawyer would lie? Why not go into the Grand Jury and say I didn't tell the truth?"
    We retire for the evening.

    The next morning we begin again. Revisit our charts. We do not ask the two holdouts to change their minds. We ask them instead to change ours. After 20 minutes we vote again.

    Unanimous for conviction. There is no celebration, just a communal sigh. We have four counts to go.



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