Ron Paul Story

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  • yeah.
    someone hacked drudge report and put up a link that is probably being hacked itself right now.

    Breaking news: Ron Paul Shock Newsletters Unearthed: Claim MLK a Gay Pedophile, Praise David Duke, Speculate 1993 WTC Bombing Was Mossad Job...

    :rolleyes:

    RIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhht!
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?

  • Thanks for the read. Interesting stuff that, if actually directly connected to Ron Paul, would certainly call his personal ethics into question.

    However, until Ron Paul explicitly calls for discrimination as policy, be it aimed at racial minorities or homosexuals or any other group, I'm not going to pay much heed to those fearful of some words on a page. Ron Paul stands for a state wherein all are treated equally by the government, be them rich or poor or black or white or gay or straight. Every other candidate stands for some kind of direct entitlement, punishment, or selective modification of the rights of some, be them corporate welfare, poverty welfare, affirmative action, reparations, war or "progressive" taxation. So to call Ron Paul a discriminatory candidate because of 10 year old newsletters that may or may not have been written or approved by him seems kind of silly when every other candidate out there is loudly calling for some group to treated differently than another at each campaign stop.

    I also find it amusing that the simple suggestion that a group of people have fundamental rights to secede from this nation is so often perceived as a tacit approval of slavery. There is much irony in this statement, as limiting the right of secession is, in itself, a form of slavery. I completely support any group of people in this country that chooses to secede from our nation, for whatever reason they choose. I may not support them in what they do after secession, nor would I necessarily support their reasoning, but I would absolutely support their right to secede.

    I believe Ron Paul is a good and decent person. However, I don't really know Ron Paul personally, nor can I completely get in his head. So perhaps I am wrong. That said, I do know that the message he is spreading across this country represents the best path to a nation where people are judged by their abilities, as opposed to their attributes.
  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    After reading the one earlier, I figured the rest of the newsletters would only come out if Paul got the nomination. After all somebody must have saved them, and would probably have an opportunity to receive a nice chunk of cash from some news source for them.

    If true, maybe some more mainstream reporters will hit those libraries to do some reporting on this also.
  • t206t206 Posts: 63
    Anyone who even makes 1/2 an attempt to read what Ron Paul has written, and listen to what he has said over the last 20 years would know he was not a racist. This is just an old story that they keep trying to attack him with that he has addressed multiple times. It is nothing more than an attempt to smear an honest, fair, and very smart man.


    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-rele ... regarding-old-newsletters


    Press Releases › Ron Paul Statement on The New Republic Article Regarding Old Newsletters
    January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

    ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

    “The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

    “In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

    “This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

    “When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”
  • DPrival78DPrival78 CT Posts: 2,263
    the good thing about this coming out is that it shows that people are scared of paul.

    and they should be.
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    DPrival78 wrote:
    the good thing about this coming out is that it shows that people are scared of paul.

    and they should be.

    Who wouldn't be scared of having such a bigot getting the highest office?

    Luckily, he doesn't seem to have enough support to make it anyway.
  • WMA wrote:
    Who wouldn't be scared of having such a bigot getting the highest office?

    Luckily, he doesn't seem to have enough support to make it anyway.

    He's not a bigot....where do you guys get this nonsense?

    He's not mainstream that's for sure, but he sure as heck isn't a bigot.

    Tinfoil hat status would be a step up for you.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    A mob of black demonstrators, led by the "Rev." Al Sharpton, occupied and closed the Statue of Liberty recently, demanding that New York be renamed Martin Luther King City "to reclaim it for our people."

    Hmmm. I hate to agree with the Rev. Al, but maybe a name change is in order. Welfaria? Zooville? Rapetown? Dirtburg? Lazyopolis?

    But Al, the Statue of Liberty? Next time, hold that demonstration at a food stamp bureau or a crack house.
    [Martin Luther King, Jr.] was also a comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration. King, the FBI files show, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys. The Rev. Ralph David Abernathy revealed before his death that King had made a pass at him many years before. And we are supposed to honor this "Christian minister" and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on a par with George Washington?
    St. Martin was a world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours ("non-violence" didn't apply in all spheres, I guess). He was a flagrant plagiarist with a phony doctorate. He replaced forced segregation in a few states with forced integration in all states. And he was a dedicated socialist. What a guy. He probably deserves two holidays.... In 1988 when I ran for president on the Libertarian Party ticket, I was berated for hours by LP members because I had refused to vote, while in Congress,f or a Martin Luther King national holiday. I didn't know then about his plagiarism, but the rest of King's crimes were clear. J. Edgar Hoover once called him "the most dangerous man in America." Who could have known the danger would continue after his death and threaten to strangle our culture?

    Not exactly tin foil hat territory when his name is on stuff like this.
  • WMA wrote:
    Not exactly tin foil hat territory when his name is on stuff like this.


    provide the url to this sub tinfoil hat mentality blog pls.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    ouch
  • WMAWMA Posts: 175
    provide the url to this sub tinfoil hat mentality blog pls.
    here are links to the scans of the newsletters with those quotes: (PDF)


    http://www.tnr.com/downloads/October1990.pdf
    http://www.tnr.com/downloads/december1990.pdf
    http://www.tnr.com/downloads/January91.pdf
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    "In other words, Paul's campaign wants to depict its candidate as a naïve, absentee overseer, with minimal knowledge of what his underlings were doing on his behalf. This portrayal might be more believable if extremist views had cropped up in the newsletters only sporadically--or if the newsletters had just been published for a short time. But it is difficult to imagine how Paul could allow material consistently saturated in racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy-mongering to be printed under his name for so long if he did not share these views. In that respect, whether or not Paul personally wrote the most offensive passages is almost beside the point. If he disagreed with what was being written under his name, you would think that at some point--over the course of decades--he would have done something about it."


    wow... i knew there was something up with this guy
  • WMA wrote:

    None of those links work for me. I get page not found :(

    edit now they do...looking at them

    So this is supposed to be his own words?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • t206t206 Posts: 63
    Does anyone actually believe that if Paul was a racist, he would have been elected into office 10 times? And if he really was a racist, how come these news letters are the only source of racist comments by "him"...not one video, speech, press release, interview, or book of his contains any of the same commentary or ideas...sorry, but this seems way too fishy to me, looks like someone just trying to get press for their website trying to be the next Matt Drudge or something.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Newsletters aside, I think Paul should have separated himself from the Ludwig von Mises institute in Auburn, AL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute

    "Criticisms

    The Institute has been characterized by some writers as "right-wing,"[23][24] a label which individuals associated with the Institute, including Lew Rockwell, say is inaccurate.[25]

    [edit] Historical views

    LvMI's publications have, like abolitionist Lysander Spooner, been supportive of the Confederate States of America's attempted secession (or more accurately, the right to secede), which precipitated the American Civil War. They have also been highly critical of Abraham Lincoln's conduct of the war (e.g. suspending Habeas Corpus, jailing those who dissented against the war and against the draft), asserting that his policies contributed to the growth of authoritarianism in the United States. Senior faculty member Thomas DiLorenzo, in his critical biography The Real Lincoln, argues that the 16th president substantially expanded the size and powers of the federal government at the expense of individual liberty. Adjunct faculty member Donald Livingston shares a similar view, blaming Lincoln for the creation of "a French Revolutionary style unitary state" and "centralizing totalitarianism." [26]

    LvMI's publications have also maintained that fascism and National Socialism (Nazism) are branches of socialist political philosophy. They cite the fact that these ideologies are based on collectivist rejections of the individual in favor of some "greater good", and that they incorporate central control over the economy and often also society. This line of argument is discussed in more detail at Fascism and ideology.

    [edit] Southern Poverty Law Center

    The historical views of the Institute and of several people affiliated with it have been interpreted by some critics, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, as sympathetic to the Confederacy. The SPLC has criticized the Institute for its "interest in neo-Confederate themes", which SPLC considers to be a form of racism. SPLC has also criticized some members of the Institute for their connections with the League of the South. [27]

    Another SPLC complaint[28] involves a Murray Rothbard essay called "Origins of the Welfare State in America"[29] on the Mises Institute website. According to an SPLC Intelligence Report article written by Chip Berlet:

    Rothbard blamed much of what he disliked on meddling women. In the mid-1800s, a "legion of Yankee women" who were "not fettered by the responsibilities" of household work "imposed" voting rights for women on the nation. Later, Jewish women, after raising funds from "top Jewish financiers", agitated for child labor laws, Rothbard adds with evident disgust. The "dominant tradition" of all these activist women, he suggests, is lesbianism.[28]

    Ludwig von Mises Institute-affiliated individuals have denounced the SPLC's allegations: LvMI's Tibor Machan argues that the SPLC's tactics are not aimed at "fighting poverty" as the its name suggests, but rather to create a "major threat against the First Amendment and the presumption of innocence in our criminal justice system" by unfairly labeling organizations with differing political viewpoints.[30] Myles Kantor, also affiliated with LvMI, has asserted the SPLC engages in fear-mongering and smearing of legitimate non-racist groups in pursuit of profitable financial contributions and ideological goals. According to Kantor, the SPLC's labeling tactics include "egregious" and "defamatory" implications that "the Center for the Study of Popular Culture and Mises Institute seek to restore Hitlerian policies."[31]"

    The Cato Institute http://www.cato.org/ (a libertarian group) separated itself from the above institute.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    I knew all the rules, but the rules did not know me...GUARANTEED!

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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,725
    yahamita wrote:

    RP supporters believe anything - 5 second search gives results by City which disputes these facts:
    http://www3.whdh.com/elections/NH080108/race.php?rn=31146

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  • Boston MABoston MA Posts: 207
    Why is a man that is labeled as a racist, also happens to be the only candidate with a chance of ending truly racist policies/laws?

    You know the drug war that arrests, tries, convicts and imprisons blacks and hispanics at higher rates than whites who statistically are more likely to use more illegal drugs?

    Would a racist want to repeal racist laws?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    so... what do you ron paul supporters think about this?

    i mean, this is a friggin slam dunk if you ask me... this guy is fucking nuts
  • my2hands wrote:
    so... what do you ron paul supporters think about this?

    i mean, this is a friggin slam dunk if you ask me... this guy is fucking nuts

    I'm not seeing a clear case the guy is a outright racist. Personally, I don't think it's there. As goes the old adage "when the argument fails, attack the person." Racism is the oldest smear in the book.

    If anyone could show me some clear cut evidence direct evidence of Ron Paul tossing around racist remarks and rhetoric , I'll look at it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • t206t206 Posts: 63
    my2hands wrote:
    so... what do you ron paul supporters think about this?

    i mean, this is a friggin slam dunk if you ask me... this guy is fucking nuts

    I think that 98% of the people trying to paint Paul as a racist based on one 20 year old item that he has addressed over and over for years are pretty damn ignorant. They cant do their own research to see the facts, and they dont understand the political game being played with this news, nor do they understand that he would not be re-elected to office over and over for 20 years if he were truly a racist.
  • t206 wrote:
    I think that 98% of the people trying to paint Paul as a racist based on one 20 year old item that he has addressed over and over for years are pretty damn ignorant. They cant do their own research to see the facts, and they dont understand the political game being played with this news, nor do they understand that he would not be re-elected to office over and over for 20 years if he were truly a racist.

    Different climate today, I'll admit, but: George Wallace. And yes, I'm just saying that cos I listened to the Drive-By Truckers.:p
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
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