So if the left pushes Lieberman out...

floyd1975

Are people going to blame the leftist opponent for dirty tactics?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/08/lieberman.website/index.html

Lieberman blames 'dirty politics' for Web site disruption
Lamont calls charge 'scurrilous,' denies involvement
By Robert Yoon
CNN Washington Bureau


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Officials with U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman's re-election campaign say that "dirty politics" and "Rovian tactics" are to blame for what they call an online attack on their campaign Web site as Connecticut voters headed to the polls Tuesday.

The former Democratic vice presidential candidate is seeking his party's nomination for a fourth term to the Senate.

"Rovian" is a reference to White House aide and presidential political adviser Karl Rove, whom Democrats frequently have accused of unethical campaign tactics.

The Web site, http://www.joe2006.com, has been unavailable since Monday afternoon, and Lieberman campaign manager Sean Smith suggested that the campaign of senator's primary opponent, Ned Lamont, or his supporters were responsible for the disruption.

"This type of dirty politics has been a staple of the Lamont campaign from the beginning, from the nonstop personal attacks to the intimidation tactics and offensive displays to these coordinated efforts to disable our Web site," said Smith in a statement e-mailed to reporters Monday evening.

"There is no place for these Rovian tactics in Democratic politics, and we demand that our opponent calls off his supporters and their online attack dogs."

The Lamont campaign has denied any involvement.

When asked by reporters at a campaign stop Tuesday if he or his campaign was responsible for the incident, Lamont said, "No, it's just another scurrilous charge."

Liz Dupont-Diehl, a Lamont spokeswoman, told CNN that the campaign "denounced and condemned" the action, and denied any involvement by Lamont or members of his campaign. She added that the Lamont campaign did not know who was behind the incident.

The site became unavailable at some point Monday afternoon and features the message: "This account is under construction. Please check back soon. It will be available shortly. Thank you."

Various messages have appeared since Monday night in place of the Lieberman Web site, including "There is no Web site configured at this address" and "This account has been suspended. Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible."

A CNN researcher briefly accessed the original Lieberman Web site late Monday.

Lieberman aides deny the suggestion that the Web site was taken down due to a lack of payment.

"This statement is to confirm that the suspension of displaying the Web site http://www.joe2006.com was not due to to an overdue account. Friends of Joe Lieberman is completely paid in full. The screen that showed yesterday is a default image from the server," the Lieberman campaign said Tuesday in a statement.

"In order to isolate where the denial of service attack was coming into the site, we disabled it as rapidly as possible. Once we were able to isolate all the site files for study, we were able to add an appropriate one-page maintenance message."

CNN's Jacki Schechner contributed to this report.

Milhouse VanHouten

So when Lieberman loses, he'll blame it on his website going down less than 24 hours before the polls opened?

floyd1975

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

So when Lieberman loses, he'll blame it on his website going down less than 24 hours before the polls opened?

I don't quite think so but this is just as bad as the guy who is in prison who tampered with the phone lines in New Hampshire. Will people spend the next six years searching for the truth in this election?

Cosmo

The 'Karl Rove' model has proven to be sucessful... why not put it into play?
Americans SAY they don't like 'Dirty Politics'... yet, those dirty tricks work.
This template will be used for a while now... by everyone. You'll have Karl Rove to thank for this.

floyd1975

Cosmo wrote:

The 'Karl Rove' model has proven to be sucessful... why not put it into play?
Americans SAY they don't like 'Dirty Politics'... yet, those dirty tricks work.
This template will be used for a while now... by everyone. You'll have Karl Rove to thank for this.

So will people call for justice just like what they got for the 2004 New Hampshire scheme?

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

So will people call for justice just like what they got for the 2004 New Hampshire scheme?

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If you believe that jamming phone lines is a fair tactic... that's on you and the make up of your character. If you have to resort to these types of questionable tactics in order to win... are you really sure you want that person representing your best interests?

Milhouse VanHouten

zstillings wrote:

I don't quite think so but this is just as bad as the guy who is in prison who tampered with the phone lines in New Hampshire. Will people spend the next six years searching for the truth in this election?

Have authorities named a suspect, or even started an investigation, for that matter? The only ones making any accusations of foul play are people in the Lieberman campaign. Sounds like you might be putting the cart before the horse.

Again, I doubt this will have anything to do with the outcome of the primary. If anything, it could hurt Lamont.

Oh I forgot, using the term "Rovian" was a good idea. It makes for a snappy soundbite and it's an attempt do criticize and separate himself from the Bush administration. Might be too little, too late, though.

floyd1975

Cosmo wrote:

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If you believe that jamming phone lines is a fair tactic... that's on you and the make up of your character. If you have to resort to these types of questionable tactics in order to win... are you really sure you want that person representing your best interests?

This doesn't really address the issue. Will frauding the public like this be taken lightly by the loud Bush critics when it is being done by one of their own?

floyd1975

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Have authorities named a suspect, or even started an investigation, for that matter? The only ones making any accusations of foul play are people in the Lieberman campaign. Sounds like you might be putting the cart before the horse.

Again, I doubt this will have anything to do with the outcome of the primary. If anything, it could hurt Lamont.

No suspect has been named but calling something speculation, from what I have been told on this board, is not a valid argument against this being the obvious work of Lieberman's opponent.

Milhouse VanHouten

zstillings wrote:

No suspect has been named but calling something speculation, from what I have been told on this board, is not a valid argument against this being the obvious work of Lieberman's opponent.

I get your point, but I don't think I'm guilty of what your talking about.

Also, in regards to the thread title: if Lieberman loses, it won't be because of "The Left", it'll be because he didn't get enough votes. Anyway, conservatives should be cheering Lamont on. If Joe goes through with his stupidassed promise to run as an independent in the general, he'll probably split the Democratic vote.

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

This doesn't really address the issue. Will frauding the public like this be taken lightly by the loud Bush critics when it is being done by one of their own?

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Of course, the first time someone plays dirty... people are going to complain.
I'm guessing, it'll be common use... by everyone. If everyone is playing dirty, no one can complain, right?

floyd1975

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I get your point, but I don't think I'm guilty of what your talking about.

Also, in regards to the thread title: if Lieberman loses, it won't be because of "The Left", it'll be because he didn't get enough votes. Anyway, conservatives should be cheering Lamont on. If Joe goes through with his stupidassed promise to run as an independent in the general, he'll probably split the Democratic vote.

I also don't think you are.

I agree with you about conservatives cheering on Lamont. I am not sure how I feel about this race yet. I do think Lieberman can take a three way race though. It just will be by a small plurality.

I say "the left" because it is the left wing of the party that is supporting Lamont. Al Sharpton is supporting him. He's pretty far left. He ran to the left of Lieberman and can only win because of those who are left of a centrist-Democrat.

Kat

See http://www.crooksandliars.com on this subject...what do you think after reading "Lieberman got what he paid for"...?

Love,
Kat

floyd1975

Cosmo wrote:

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Of course, the first time someone plays dirty... people are going to complain.
I'm guessing, it'll be common use... by everyone. If everyone is playing dirty, no one can complain, right?

Nobody would complain if it was common practice but will there be an acquittal? Will there be compensation for the man who was already convicted of these types of tactics? Are you saying that Rove was the first person to have supposedly played dirty?

Milhouse VanHouten

zstillings wrote:

I also don't think you are.

I agree with you about conservatives cheering on Lamont. I am not sure how I feel about this race yet. I do think Lieberman can take a three way race though. It just will be by a small plurality.

I say "the left" because it is the left wing of the party that is supporting Lamont. Al Sharpton is supporting him. He's pretty far left. He ran to the left of Lieberman and can only win because of those who are left of a centrist-Democrat.

Lieberman will be stuck in an impossible position. He'll have to defend himself from attacks on the left and the right simultaneously.

Cosmo

zstillings wrote:

Nobody would complain if it was common practice but will there be an acquittal? Will there be compensation for the man who was already convicted of these types of tactics? Are you saying that Rove was the first person to have supposedly played dirty?

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You are going to have to fill me in on the detail... I have no idea which specifics you are referring to and I am responding in general, basic campaign/election terms.

floyd1975

Kat wrote:

See http://www.crooksandliars.com on this subject...what do you think after reading "Lieberman got what he paid for"...?

Love,
Kat

That was already dealt with. Here is the screencap from when the problems first started.

http://www.michaelbrazellmurray.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/LiebermanSiteHack.jpg

floyd1975

Cosmo wrote:

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You are going to have to fill me in on the detail... I have no idea which specifics you are referring to and I am responding in general, basic campaign/election terms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601712.html

This is one of the things that is often brought up as proof that Bush stole the election.

floyd1975

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

Lieberman will be stuck in an impossible position. He'll have to defend himself from attacks on the left and the right simultaneously.

He will but I think he is a lot stronger than the candidate on the right which will give him an advantage with many moderate Republicans in CT.

Eliot Rosewater

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

So when Lieberman loses, he'll blame it on his website going down less than 24 hours before the polls opened?

I actually think Mel Gibson is behind this one. Or maybe Joe uploaded too may PJ videos to his site....that's what got mine shut down because my asshole webhost only allows 5GB of multimedia....which doesn't make sense to me when I'm allowed 24GB total space.

Kat

zstillings wrote:

That was already dealt with. Here is the screencap from when the problems first started.

http://www.michaelbrazellmurray.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/LiebermanSiteHack.jpg

Ah, thanks, z. I hadn't seen that info.

Love,
Kat