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So if the left pushes Lieberman out...
floyd1975
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Are people going to blame the leftist opponent for dirty tactics?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/08/lieberman.website/index.html
Lieberman blames 'dirty politics' for Web site disruption
Lamont calls charge 'scurrilous,' denies involvement
By Robert Yoon
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Officials with U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman's re-election campaign say that "dirty politics" and "Rovian tactics" are to blame for what they call an online attack on their campaign Web site as Connecticut voters headed to the polls Tuesday.
The former Democratic vice presidential candidate is seeking his party's nomination for a fourth term to the Senate.
"Rovian" is a reference to White House aide and presidential political adviser Karl Rove, whom Democrats frequently have accused of unethical campaign tactics.
The Web site, http://www.joe2006.com, has been unavailable since Monday afternoon, and Lieberman campaign manager Sean Smith suggested that the campaign of senator's primary opponent, Ned Lamont, or his supporters were responsible for the disruption.
"This type of dirty politics has been a staple of the Lamont campaign from the beginning, from the nonstop personal attacks to the intimidation tactics and offensive displays to these coordinated efforts to disable our Web site," said Smith in a statement e-mailed to reporters Monday evening.
"There is no place for these Rovian tactics in Democratic politics, and we demand that our opponent calls off his supporters and their online attack dogs."
The Lamont campaign has denied any involvement.
When asked by reporters at a campaign stop Tuesday if he or his campaign was responsible for the incident, Lamont said, "No, it's just another scurrilous charge."
Liz Dupont-Diehl, a Lamont spokeswoman, told CNN that the campaign "denounced and condemned" the action, and denied any involvement by Lamont or members of his campaign. She added that the Lamont campaign did not know who was behind the incident.
The site became unavailable at some point Monday afternoon and features the message: "This account is under construction. Please check back soon. It will be available shortly. Thank you."
Various messages have appeared since Monday night in place of the Lieberman Web site, including "There is no Web site configured at this address" and "This account has been suspended. Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible."
A CNN researcher briefly accessed the original Lieberman Web site late Monday.
Lieberman aides deny the suggestion that the Web site was taken down due to a lack of payment.
"This statement is to confirm that the suspension of displaying the Web site http://www.joe2006.com was not due to to an overdue account. Friends of Joe Lieberman is completely paid in full. The screen that showed yesterday is a default image from the server," the Lieberman campaign said Tuesday in a statement.
"In order to isolate where the denial of service attack was coming into the site, we disabled it as rapidly as possible. Once we were able to isolate all the site files for study, we were able to add an appropriate one-page maintenance message."
CNN's Jacki Schechner contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/08/lieberman.website/index.html
Lieberman blames 'dirty politics' for Web site disruption
Lamont calls charge 'scurrilous,' denies involvement
By Robert Yoon
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Officials with U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman's re-election campaign say that "dirty politics" and "Rovian tactics" are to blame for what they call an online attack on their campaign Web site as Connecticut voters headed to the polls Tuesday.
The former Democratic vice presidential candidate is seeking his party's nomination for a fourth term to the Senate.
"Rovian" is a reference to White House aide and presidential political adviser Karl Rove, whom Democrats frequently have accused of unethical campaign tactics.
The Web site, http://www.joe2006.com, has been unavailable since Monday afternoon, and Lieberman campaign manager Sean Smith suggested that the campaign of senator's primary opponent, Ned Lamont, or his supporters were responsible for the disruption.
"This type of dirty politics has been a staple of the Lamont campaign from the beginning, from the nonstop personal attacks to the intimidation tactics and offensive displays to these coordinated efforts to disable our Web site," said Smith in a statement e-mailed to reporters Monday evening.
"There is no place for these Rovian tactics in Democratic politics, and we demand that our opponent calls off his supporters and their online attack dogs."
The Lamont campaign has denied any involvement.
When asked by reporters at a campaign stop Tuesday if he or his campaign was responsible for the incident, Lamont said, "No, it's just another scurrilous charge."
Liz Dupont-Diehl, a Lamont spokeswoman, told CNN that the campaign "denounced and condemned" the action, and denied any involvement by Lamont or members of his campaign. She added that the Lamont campaign did not know who was behind the incident.
The site became unavailable at some point Monday afternoon and features the message: "This account is under construction. Please check back soon. It will be available shortly. Thank you."
Various messages have appeared since Monday night in place of the Lieberman Web site, including "There is no Web site configured at this address" and "This account has been suspended. Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible."
A CNN researcher briefly accessed the original Lieberman Web site late Monday.
Lieberman aides deny the suggestion that the Web site was taken down due to a lack of payment.
"This statement is to confirm that the suspension of displaying the Web site http://www.joe2006.com was not due to to an overdue account. Friends of Joe Lieberman is completely paid in full. The screen that showed yesterday is a default image from the server," the Lieberman campaign said Tuesday in a statement.
"In order to isolate where the denial of service attack was coming into the site, we disabled it as rapidly as possible. Once we were able to isolate all the site files for study, we were able to add an appropriate one-page maintenance message."
CNN's Jacki Schechner contributed to this report.
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I don't quite think so but this is just as bad as the guy who is in prison who tampered with the phone lines in New Hampshire. Will people spend the next six years searching for the truth in this election?
Americans SAY they don't like 'Dirty Politics'... yet, those dirty tricks work.
This template will be used for a while now... by everyone. You'll have Karl Rove to thank for this.
Hail, Hail!!!
So will people call for justice just like what they got for the 2004 New Hampshire scheme?
If you believe that jamming phone lines is a fair tactic... that's on you and the make up of your character. If you have to resort to these types of questionable tactics in order to win... are you really sure you want that person representing your best interests?
Hail, Hail!!!
Have authorities named a suspect, or even started an investigation, for that matter? The only ones making any accusations of foul play are people in the Lieberman campaign. Sounds like you might be putting the cart before the horse.
Again, I doubt this will have anything to do with the outcome of the primary. If anything, it could hurt Lamont.
Oh I forgot, using the term "Rovian" was a good idea. It makes for a snappy soundbite and it's an attempt do criticize and separate himself from the Bush administration. Might be too little, too late, though.
This doesn't really address the issue. Will frauding the public like this be taken lightly by the loud Bush critics when it is being done by one of their own?
No suspect has been named but calling something speculation, from what I have been told on this board, is not a valid argument against this being the obvious work of Lieberman's opponent.
I get your point, but I don't think I'm guilty of what your talking about.
Also, in regards to the thread title: if Lieberman loses, it won't be because of "The Left", it'll be because he didn't get enough votes. Anyway, conservatives should be cheering Lamont on. If Joe goes through with his stupidassed promise to run as an independent in the general, he'll probably split the Democratic vote.
Of course, the first time someone plays dirty... people are going to complain.
I'm guessing, it'll be common use... by everyone. If everyone is playing dirty, no one can complain, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
I also don't think you are.
I agree with you about conservatives cheering on Lamont. I am not sure how I feel about this race yet. I do think Lieberman can take a three way race though. It just will be by a small plurality.
I say "the left" because it is the left wing of the party that is supporting Lamont. Al Sharpton is supporting him. He's pretty far left. He ran to the left of Lieberman and can only win because of those who are left of a centrist-Democrat.
Love,
Kat
Nobody would complain if it was common practice but will there be an acquittal? Will there be compensation for the man who was already convicted of these types of tactics? Are you saying that Rove was the first person to have supposedly played dirty?
Lieberman will be stuck in an impossible position. He'll have to defend himself from attacks on the left and the right simultaneously.
You are going to have to fill me in on the detail... I have no idea which specifics you are referring to and I am responding in general, basic campaign/election terms.
Hail, Hail!!!
That was already dealt with. Here is the screencap from when the problems first started.
http://www.michaelbrazellmurray.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/LiebermanSiteHack.jpg
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/16/AR2006051601712.html
This is one of the things that is often brought up as proof that Bush stole the election.
He will but I think he is a lot stronger than the candidate on the right which will give him an advantage with many moderate Republicans in CT.
Ah, thanks, z. I hadn't seen that info.
Love,
Kat
So... it was found to be criminal and people were convicted... making it a criminal offense. Now, i'm a bit confused here... are you defending this practice?
I mean, if it was criminal in 2002, isn't it still criminal in 2006? If someone tries this in 2006... isn't it still a crime and shouldn't people call for justice?
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm not saying people shouldn't. I'm just looking for consistency and the same willingness to jump to the conclusion as people have been with Bush.
I would hope so... criminal activity is criminal activity.
Hail, Hail!!!
If it is criminal, you bet.
But the Bush Admininstration is slimey and crafty (due to the likes of Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz and Rice). They've learned from Nixon and I'm pretty sure they are covering their bases and are not recording anything. They have been able to manipulate the law... bending it, without breaking it... regarding the wiretapping.
Do I wish them gone? You fucking bet. But, realistically, impeachment is a tough call. They are slimey... the pure definition of politicians.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's completely possible, but I think it will be very difficult for him to pull off.
yeah, seems like a pretty stupid strategy if you're going to use dirty tricks to win.
Its not just the website, its also the internal campaign email. It shuts down a campaign's ability to communicate with its voters on the most important day to do that.
So far, there's no evidence that it was Lamont's campaign. I doubt it was. But I have NO DOUBT that it was a lamont supporters. The bottom line is that his campaign is driven by younger, tech savvy internet people. A rogue supporter goes out and crashes Lieberman's website because they had Lieberman. Its got to be him. You really believe that Lieberman "forgot to pay his internet bills?"
Any political web hosting company that shuts down a server on election day would never get any business ever again. This is clearly a Lamont supporter and they should be prosecuted to the fullest.
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