evolve past outdated and wasteful technologies

El_Kabong

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

I have an idea. We start offshore drilling for oil. While we are doing this we start a group that begins creating wind generated power in the deserted are in the west. With this we update the power grid to spread this power throughout America. While this is going on instead of our money going to support foreign economy by purchasing oil, the money stays within the US. Also we can create clean burning coal as well as Nuclear power plants. This way both sides are happy and jobs are created and the economy flourishes once again. It is just a thought a good one, I do not know but better then arguing while doing nothing.

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who will pay to build these new nuclear power plants?? it sure won't be the power companies.

so, since we're giving our tax money to the oil industry (on top of others) and would be giving a lot to the nuclear power industry, why not put that money into better alternatives?

if we drill it will still take a looong time for that to reach our fuel tanks and even then the offset is pretty small, we do what you say on a far larger scale if we increased fuel efficiency. i can't believe how far certain technologies have advanced yet we are still stuck w/ a combustible enginge that only uses 20-30% of the energy burned

also, how long do you think it would take to build these new nuclear power plants? how long do you think it would take to lay all that concrete and let it set and harden (and ensure there's no porosity or other defects in it)? and then where are you going to store it? the department of energy says some of the material in yucca mountain can leak and the mountain is pourrous...so where will we keep even more of this crap for the thousands of years it will be radioactive?

Dirtie_Frank

El_Kabong wrote:

who will pay to build these new nuclear power plants?? it sure won't be the power companies.

so, since we're giving our tax money to the oil industry (on top of others) and would be giving a lot to the nuclear power industry, why not put that money into better alternatives?

if we drill it will still take a looong time for that to reach our fuel tanks and even then the offset is pretty small, we do what you say on a far larger scale if we increased fuel efficiency. i can't believe how far certain technologies have advanced yet we are still stuck w/ a combustible enginge that only uses 20-30% of the energy burned

also, how long do you think it would take to build these new nuclear power plants? how long do you think it would take to lay all that concrete and let it set and harden (and ensure there's no porosity or other defects in it)? and then where are you going to store it? the department of energy says some of the material in yucca mountain can leak and the mountain is pourrous...so where will we keep even more of this crap for the thousands of years it will be radioactive?

So you are saying do nothing and continue on. How about that these different industries would create jobs and creatw alternative energy. Is it going to happen in an instant? No. At least if we do drill and creatww our own oil we would keep the money internal to our country and not send it to the middle east, or venezuela or wherever our oil is coming from. I also support using wind energy which again will create jobs.

El_Kabong

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So you are saying do nothing and continue on. How about that these different industries would create jobs and creatw alternative energy. Is it going to happen in an instant? No. At least if we do drill and creatww our own oil we would keep the money internal to our country and not send it to the middle east, or venezuela or wherever our oil is coming from. I also support using wind energy which again will create jobs.

no, i've already mentioned things like raising the fuel efficinecy standards on vehicles (is there really any reason why in this day and age when i can have a touch screen phone to watch movies on that we should still have vehicles getting less than 20mpg???) solar, wind, thermal hydroelectric, solar thermal radiant heating....

no, it's not gonna happen in an instant, but neither is this drilling, it will still take time to set up, drill, refine it...it will take time for it to reach the market and when it does the effect will be minimal. it's a scam, it won't make it so we don't have to deal w/ the middle east or Venezueala or Canada for even a week

same w/ nuclear power that you are in favor of. how much time do ya think it will take to build those plants? to lay all that concrete, to make sure there's no porosity problems? and more importantly who do ya think will be paying to build them?? that money could go further in renewable energies, i'm just sayin if we're gonna give our tax money to the nuclear power industry and oil industry and coal industry why not a more sustainable one, too? why piss away our tax money on things that leave radioactive waste we have nowhere to put?

prytoj

Commy wrote:

I lived on the coast of s. California for a year or so, and they had an oil rig off the coast near where I lived. This beautiful beach was basically destroyed because everywhere you steppped you ended up with this black jelly oil shit on your feet The entire coast was ruined. Yeah great idea for the oil execs, they don't have to live near the beach, and could make millions from the oil they pumped out, but for the majority of people in the area it had a huge impact on our lives. We lost a very beautiful beach, and who knows the impact on the marine life and so on.

Nuclear power has the potential for an even bigger disaster. Not to mention the waste that lasts for what, hundreds -if not thousands of years. doesn't matter what kind of containment system you have, you build enough eventually its gonna fail. yeah its energy, but the impact on the environment risk kinda outweighs the benefits you might get. ensuring the future of the human race is kinda the goal, or should be anyway, not profit or conveinance.

Well, the reason why there are oil rigs in So Cal on the coast is to CAPTURE the oil below ground that would seep through to the ocean floor.

Commy

prytoj wrote:

Well, the reason why there are oil rigs in So Cal on the coast is to CAPTURE the oil below ground that would seep through to the ocean floor.

your saying that the oil would be on the beach even if the oil rig wasn't just offshore?

Commy

MIT's alternative to fossil fuels...

"heat mining has the potential to supply a significant amount of the country's electricity currently being generated by conventional fossil fuel, hydroelectric and nuclear plants."

Soo, geothermal energy has the potential to replace hydroelectric dams, nuclear power plants, and coal power plants.

And the gov't is doing nothing about it.






http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/geothermal.html

http://www.physorg.com/news88683362.html

prytoj

Commy wrote:

your saying that the oil would be on the beach even if the oil rig wasn't just offshore?

That's pretty much it. As I understand it, the natural occuring oil deposits off the shore in socal are forced up to the ocean floor, forgot exactly how. I asked my old man one time when we were out there.

But yeah, without the dereks on PCH around that area (if your talking about Long Beach and HB), the oild deposits would be sitting on the ocean floor.

Commy

prytoj wrote:

That's pretty much it. As I understand it, the natural occuring oil deposits off the shore in socal are forced up to the ocean floor, forgot exactly how. I asked my old man one time when we were out there.

But yeah, without the dereks on PCH around that area (if your talking about Long Beach and HB), the oild deposits would be sitting on the ocean floor.

I stand corrected, from a friend- http://soundwaves.usgs.gov/2008/04/fieldwork2.html