Test nonlethal weapons on U.S. citizens, official says

El_Kabong

Sept. 13, 2006, 12:51AM
Test nonlethal weapons on U.S. citizens, official says
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4182615.html

By LOLITA C. BALDOR
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before they are used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday.

Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions in the international community over any possible safety concerns, said Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne.

"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation," said Wynne.

"(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press."

The Air Force has funded research into nonlethal weapons, but he said the service isn't likely to spend more money on development until injury issues are reviewed by medical experts and resolved.

Nonlethal weapons can weaken people if they are hit with the beam.

Some of the weapons can emit short, intense energy pulses that also disable some electronic devices.

Kat

This is incredible that he should suggest that. You know who they'll use them on.........

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600

Peace,
Kat

RockinInCanada

You know things are bad when I stop being surprised hearing about this sort of stuff.....

farfromglorified

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged#Project_X

my2hands

read this earlier today... i think the Generals words tell us how our leaders feel about us

fucking guinea pigs

farfromglorified

my2hands wrote:

fucking guinea pigs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged#Social_Concepts_in_Atlas_Shrugged

jlew24asu

enough of the wikipeida already. you know how to use google, I got it.


but anyway, what the hell is this all about. I really dont get it.

farfromglorified

jlew24asu wrote:

enough of the wikipeida already. you know how to use google, I got it.

but anyway, what the hell is this all about. I really dont get it.

Project X is top secret. National Security...."public good"....you know.

But this might help:

The government wants you to behave. And they're willing to force you to do so.

IamMine

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

You know things are bad when I stop being surprised hearing about this sort of stuff.....

Yeah, that's really sad!

As if it isn't bad enough, consider people who carry a lot of electronic devices - in their pockets or purses (blackberry, cell phones, etc...), people in electronic wheelchairs, or people with cochlear implants.

I've heard a story from a CI'er where she was sitting too close to a really heavy magnetic field (I forgot what it was though) and it caused her implant or processor to malfunction. One extreme case involved an austim cochlear implant child whose implant was moved to the back of his head.

That's why I wouldn't risk walking through a metal detector even when I was told nothing would happen - with an expection of a few cases where they would wipe out programming in the processor (outer device attaching to inner device on the skull, the implant).

I just can't imagine what would happen to me if I was to be part of that awful research...I would be terribly upset if they damaged my implant!!! :mad:

Anyway... that was really a disturbing report, to say the least.

sigh.

sonicreducer

you know this dude came and sat at my bar once, well not my bar,... the olive garden's bar,... but anyhow. he told me he worked for the gov't and that they were developing microwave weaponary. he said that they could pick a coordinate and fry someone from the inside out. of course, i thought he was crazy for that; and also because he was drinking knob creek straight up. but seriously, maybe he wasn't so full of shit.

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

you know this dude came and sat at my bar once, well not my bar,... the olive garden's bar,... but anyhow. he told me he worked for the gov't and that they were developing microwave weaponary. he said that they could pick a coordinate and fry someone from the inside out. of course, i thought he was crazy for that; and also because he was drinking knob creek straight up. but seriously, maybe he wasn't so full of shit.

Lesson learned...never go to the Olive Garden.

Pickr

farfromglorified wrote:

Lesson learned...never go to the Olive Garden.

Seriously? Holy shit...I had no idea Olive Garden's had bars!

farfromglorified

Pickr wrote:

Seriously? Holy shit...I had no idea Olive Garden's had bars!

Tell me about it. I had no idea people still went to the Olive Garden!

Good breadsticks though...........

sonicreducer

yeah, the olive garden i work at has been paying my way through school since sophomore year. i also have pretty good benefits. and our olive garden has a bar, where i bartend, that seats about 25 people. come in and leave a good tip. yeah,... just don't talk about cooking people from within.

blackredyellow

Pickr wrote:

Seriously? Holy shit...I had no idea Olive Garden's had bars!

Yes, they do... but unfortunately they are full of crazy government employees who want to microwave other people. Scary stuff...

El_Kabong

here's a military site on someof the weapons
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/occppr11.htm

“Although not primarily an anti-personnel device, those who have been exposed to HPM report that its effect is agonizing. The radiation penetrates below the skin, boiling nerve cells. It can blind. It induces uncontrollable panic (early research into HPM was as a crowd-control agent, and it can be used mounted on a humvee to scatter civilians by inflicting intense heat onto their skins.)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,896930,00.html


Although the Pentagon says it prefers not to use experimental weapons on the battlefield, “the world intervenes from time to time,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says. “And you reach in there and take something out that is still in a developmental stage, and you might use it.”