"our laws need to change"

El_Kabong

ok, i obviously missed something...they showed a clip on faux op/ed of bush saying now terrorists can buy disposable cell phones and use anonymous email accounts, our laws need to change...

so what, exactly, needs to change?

my2hands

they are really whipping this horse to death... one day i will wake up in a totalitarian country run completely by corporate and wealthy interests... oh shit, wait a second...

RockinInCanada

I have also read him relating conspiracy theorists to terrorist breeding grounds.....

norm

El_Kabong wrote:

so what, exactly, needs to change?

Removing those assholes from power.

justam

cutback wrote:

Removing those assholes from power.

LOL!

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

ok, i obviously missed something...they showed a clip on faux op/ed of bush saying now terrorists can buy disposable cell phones and use anonymous email accounts, our laws need to change...

so what, exactly, needs to change?

Just think of your own reasoning on economics and you'll understand.

These men see evil terrorists using cell phones and hotmail accounts, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

You see evil profiteers using money and businesses, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

RockinInCanada

farfromglorified wrote:

Just think of your own reasoning on economics and you'll understand.

These men see evil terrorists using cell phones and hotmail accounts, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

You see evil profiteers using money and businesses, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

Goes to prove who is actually "winning" if you can call it that...the inherent goal of a terrorist to induce fear in a populace...to make everyday things that are taken for granted more worrisome....hence cell-phones and computers are now targetted as potential terror devices....from my viewpoint they are winning.....

farfromglorified

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Goes to prove who is actually "winning" if you can call it that...the inherent goal of a terrorist to induce fear in a populace...to make everyday things that are taken for granted more worrisome....hence cell-phones and computers are now targetted as potential terror devices....from my viewpoint they are winning.....

Fear is winning. I'm just not sure which fear-inducing side, the foreign or the domestic, is ahead.

El_Kabong

farfromglorified wrote:

Just think of your own reasoning on economics and you'll understand.

These men see evil terrorists using cell phones and hotmail accounts, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

You see evil profiteers using money and businesses, so that must mean it's time to ban or track or limit or restrict those things, right?

not really...i don't mind profits as long as it is not gained by exploitation or anything like that...i also don't think there should be such a huge gap, what was the ration? $431:$1?

thankyougrandma

they should ban laws period.

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

not really...i don't mind profits as long as it is not gained by exploitation or anything like that...

And these guys don't really mind cell phones unless they're in the hands of terrorists. Same logic.

i also don't think there should be such a huge gap, what was the ration? $431:$1?

If you don't like the gap, start a company and pay everyone equally. But hey, if Bill O'Reilly can control my cell phone even though he has no right to, why can't you control my pay?

God Bless the New America

El_Kabong

farfromglorified wrote:

And these guys don't really mind cell phones unless they're in the hands of terrorists. Same logic.

not really, how do you figure? i don't even know if this can be comparable as i don't know what the 'our laws need to change' really encompasses...

farfromglorified wrote:

If you don't like the gap, start a company and pay everyone equally. But hey, if Bill O'Reilly can control my cell phone even though he has no right to, why can't you control my pay?

God Bless the New America

huh? i don't think the executives should be making multi millions while their labor can't even afford to get by.

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

not really, how do you figure?

You both assume that you have the right to control something you didn't create, don't own, didn't pay for, didn't earn and have no influence over short of armed force.

i don't even know if this can be comparable as i don't know what the 'our laws need to change' really encompasses...

It certainly seems to imply that cell phones, anonymous e-mail and similar tools that can be used by terrorists need to be heavily regulated.

huh? i don't think the executives should be making multi millions while their labor can't even afford to get by.

Then hire those laborers. And pay them what you feel they're worth. Conversely, you could pass a bunch of laws and walk into those offices with guns and rob every executive you see and distribute the money as you see fit.

El_Kabong

farfromglorified wrote:

You both assume that you have the right to control something you didn't create, don't own, didn't pay for, didn't earn and have no influence over short of armed force.

did i say i have the right to control or was i voicing my opinion??

farfromglorified wrote:

It certainly seems to imply that cell phones, anonymous e-mail and similar tools that can be used by terrorists need to be heavily regulated.

and you know if i said that someone would say i was overreacting and don't know what was meant by it, which i don't...personally i think its more towards justifying their domestic spying on our net activities and our phones

farfromglorified wrote:

Then hire those laborers. And pay them what you feel they're worth. Conversely, you could pass a bunch of laws and walk into those offices with guns and rob every executive you see and distribute the money as you see fit.

rob every executive?? are they getting this money thru exploitation? isn't exploitation bad? so should we allow sweat shops, too? child labor? forced labor?

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

did i say i have the right to control or was i voicing my opinion??

You were just voicing your opinion. So was the guy on the news.

and you know if i said that someone would say i was overreacting and don't know what was meant by it, which i don't...personally i think its more towards justifying their domestic spying on our net activities and our phones

What do you think is meant by laws to "ban or track or limit or restrict" those things?

rob every executive??

Certainly.

are they getting this money thru exploitation?

Since in your world exploitation is apparently defined by a pay ratio, yes.

isn't exploitation bad?

When someone is actually being exploited, yes.

so should we allow sweat shops, too?

Yes.

child labor?

Yes.

forced labor?

No.

WMA

They might as well just implant chips into everybody with GPS/microphones/heart and pulse monitoring etc.

They will be able to enforce the anti-masterbation laws they will be trying to amend into the constitution as a side benifit.

Maybe they should start screening shipping containers and doing something about our open borders first though.

farfromglorified

WMA wrote:

Maybe they should start screening shipping containers and doing something about our open borders first though.

Perhaps they could build walls on the border out of confiscated cell phones.

acroyear

my2hands wrote:

they are really whipping this horse to death... one day i will wake up in a totalitarian country run completely by corporate and wealthy interests... oh shit, wait a second...

Keep off MIchael Moore's lap. Wait, he doesn't have one.