CEO: Worker Pay Ratio Shoots Up to 431:1

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. But "the board" also doesn't want to be president or CEO.
    But "the board" still wants and deserves to be rewarded when they contribute towards the increased prosperity of their employers.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Except yourself. Except your business. Except your life. But that's no good.

    We all have to be president of each other for something to work, apparently.
    There are very, very few businesses that can be fully owned and operated by one person. It's not a matter of wanting to be president over other people ... it's a matter of more than one person being required for any work to get done in most industries.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    hippiemom wrote:
    But "the board" still wants and deserves to be rewarded when they contribute towards the increased prosperity of their employers.

    Definitely! And that, in part, is why slavery is wrong. But we're not talking about slavery here.
    There are very, very few businesses that can be fully owned and operated by one person.

    Meh...not "very, very few". The minority, definitely. But the point is valid.
    It's not a matter of wanting to be president over other people ... it's a matter of more than one person being required for any work to get done in most industries.

    And that's why more than one person is paid.

    Look, it's easy to see a ratio like 400:1 and cry foul. It's certainly bullshit. Are CEOs worth 400 times more than an average person? Except for a rare exception perhaps, definitely not. But this isn't some massive problem. We're talking about a few billion dollars here. Go ahead, take back "YOUR WEALTH" as someone said earlier. What do you have? Ten bucks for everybody. Wow, congratulations.

    This is a symptom of a mindset that creates much bigger problems. The mindset is the mindset of sacrifice...the one that tells "Joe Worker" that he owes his labor to his company and his pittance is just compensation. Sometimes that pittance is just compensation. Sometimes it's not. In the cases where it's not, I'm not going to fault the corporation who is freely paying it without binding "Joe Worker" to his job. "Joe Worker" needs to demand more and back up that demand with the value of himself. We need to stop teaching "Joe Worker" that he owes his body and his mind to a corporation or to "society" or to God. Only then will we stop seeing people sacrificing themselves to "greater goods" that just turn out to be unabashed looters.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    know1 wrote:
    Then I misunderstood you and agree with you on a lot of the points.

    The problem is, the bonus is a decision to be made by the management of a company who have earned the right to make that decision. Management makes many bad decisions, but they do have the right to make them.


    You are right they do have the right to make what ever decision they want, but I also have the right to be pissed off about their decision especially when their decision may cost me my job.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    I'm a CEO...though I guess not by name. I rarely refer to myself as one, nor does anyone else in my business. However, every day on this board I see post after post directly or indirectly lampooning me and "my kind" as thieves, as barons, as liars, as cheats. Does this insult me? No, because I'm not a thief, a baron, a liar or a cheat. But does it bother me? Yeah. Because in those posts is often a written or unwritten threat informing me that someone is going to "take back what is theirs" with force at the expense of my freedom or my life.

    Do I make more than the people who work for me? Typically, yes. Do I make 400 times more than anyone who works for me? Not even close.

    Do I profit from my labor and the labor of others? Hell yes. Do I forbid those others to profit themselves? Hell no. People here are compensated beyond most of your wildest dreams.

    Do I force anyone to buy my products, invest in my business, or work for me? Absolutely not. I earn those things based on the standards of effort, genius and integrity as judged by the people I trade with.

    So please, the next time you use the term "CEO" or "president" ask yourself if the context in which you use it would best be served with the name of an individual or a word like "nigger".

    Thanks.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    soulsinging wrote:
    dont regret it. it annoys the piss out of me. it is NOT a given that the poster agrees with the article posted and if you're going to spend your day scouring the internet for articles just to post them here without comment, make one thread... the "these are the articles i found today thread" with nothing but links.

    if you're going to make a whole brand new thread about it, tell us what you think. otherwise it feels like cherry-picking/baiting and ive seen this juvenille practice before. post an article, keep your views secret, wait for someone to disagree, then make snide and condescending remarks to them for it.


    yes, the whole board knows my thoughts on this subject, halliburton and other things are secret! ahahahahaha

    also, you are faaaaaar from being above making snide and condescending remarks yourself
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    soulsinging wrote:
    i add to plenty of discussions around here. are you going to start a revolution? or are you just giong to sit here and bitch about it?


    yeah, maybe you can tell us which 15 year olds give you a hard on again :rolleyes:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • slambooie
    slambooie Posts: 11
    nt
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm a CEO...though I guess not by name. I rarely refer to myself as one, nor does anyone else in my business. However, every day on this board I see post after post directly or indirectly lampooning me and "my kind" as thieves, as barons, as liars, as cheats. Does this insult me? No, because I'm not a thief, a baron, a liar or a cheat. But does it bother me? Yeah. Because in those posts is often a written or unwritten threat informing me that someone is going to "take back what is theirs" with force at the expense of my freedom or my life.

    Do I make more than the people who work for me? Typically, yes. Do I make 400 times more than anyone who works for me? Not even close.

    Do I profit from my labor and the labor of others? Hell yes. Do I forbid those others to profit themselves? Hell no. People here are compensated beyond most of your wildest dreams.

    Do I force anyone to buy my products, invest in my business, or work for me? Absolutely not. I earn those things based on the standards of effort, genius and integrity as judged by the people I trade with.

    So please, the next time you use the term "CEO" or "president" ask yourself if the context in which you use it would best be served with the name of an individual or a word like "nigger".

    Thanks.


    holy drama queen, batman...
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    *edit*

    im not going to play that game.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    my2hands wrote:
    El Kabong adds more to this web site than anyone else i have seen... so stop bitching and add something


    If your talking quantity and not quality, I agree.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I'm a CEO...though I guess not by name. I rarely refer to myself as one, nor does anyone else in my business. However, every day on this board I see post after post directly or indirectly lampooning me and "my kind" as thieves, as barons, as liars, as cheats. Does this insult me? No, because I'm not a thief, a baron, a liar or a cheat. But does it bother me? Yeah. Because in those posts is often a written or unwritten threat informing me that someone is going to "take back what is theirs" with force at the expense of my freedom or my life.

    Do I make more than the people who work for me? Typically, yes. Do I make 400 times more than anyone who works for me? Not even close.

    Do I profit from my labor and the labor of others? Hell yes. Do I forbid those others to profit themselves? Hell no. People here are compensated beyond most of your wildest dreams.

    Do I force anyone to buy my products, invest in my business, or work for me? Absolutely not. I earn those things based on the standards of effort, genius and integrity as judged by the people I trade with.

    So please, the next time you use the term "CEO" or "president" ask yourself if the context in which you use it would best be served with the name of an individual or a word like "nigger".

    Thanks.

    I agree with the cheating, lying, thieving baron. :)


    People who make oodles of money didnt get where they are being dumb. Or by being lazy. Or by hanging out on a message board. They didnt "steal" that wealth either. A large portion of major companies employ thousands of people, all who seem to get on fine with what they earn. What do you want? THe top guys in charge to make 2 bux an hour more than the janitor? Who gets to set the "gap in pay"? You??? Please.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    If your talking quantity and not quality, I agree.


    Is that simply because you don't agree with his opinions.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    mammasan wrote:
    Is that simply because you don't agree with his opinions.

    THats because of the large number of posts that are just articles, sans opinions. And due to repeats.
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats


    etc.

    :)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    THats because of the large number of posts that are just articles, sans opinions. And due to repeats.
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats


    etc.

    :)

    It's called sharing information.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    PaperPlates wrote:
    THats because of the large number of posts that are just articles, sans opinions. And due to repeats.
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats
    And repeats


    etc.

    :)


    um, are there not opinions contained in the said articles..?
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    mammasan wrote:
    It's called sharing information.


    its called redundancy. Some here are almost like cartoon characters. Or white noise.
    inmytree wrote:
    um, are there not opinions contained in the said articles..?


    Usually opinions presented as fact, yes. But rarely any opening thoughts given by any thread starters with these articles.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    its called redundancy. Some here are almost like cartoon characters. Or white noise.

    Well you see it differently than I do and that's what makes this board worth while the fact that we all don't see eye to eye.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    PaperPlates wrote:



    Usually opinions presented as fact, yes. But rarely any opening thoughts given by any thread starters with these articles.

    I missed this requirment in the guidelines...

    oh, wait...it's not...

    continue with your white noise...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    inmytree wrote:
    I missed this requirment in the guidelines...

    oh, wait...it's not...

    continue with your white noise...

    I guess we should request that Kat & Sea update the guidelines with this new rule. No posting articles unless you provide an accompanying opinion.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    mammasan wrote:
    I guess we should request that Kat & Sea update the guidelines with this new rule. No posting articles unless you provide an accompanying opinion.

    And no more threads started with the lyrics or a line from a non pearl jam song. There are other areas in this mssg board for that no? :)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    PaperPlates wrote:
    And no more threads started with the lyrics or a line from a non pearl jam song. There are other areas in this mssg board for that no? :)

    Well what if you are using those lyrics to express your opinion.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul

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