Obama's Secret War Profiteering Tax

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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    mca47 wrote:
    Actually, that is only part of the article. The rest goes on to describe this alien cover up Obama was involved with in the early 40's. Too bad they cut that out because it was a good read.
    Are you kidding me, Obama is an alien! He's going to suck our brains out right after he's done sucking our wallet out with the price of oil.. God's speed.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    maybe we should try realizing ppl hold different opinions than our own?

    Maybe you should take your own advice.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Maybe you should take your own advice.


    oh yeah, b/c i was the one saying you should admit that my opinion of this piece was the only acceptable way to see it.....
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    El_Kabong wrote:
    oh yeah, b/c i was the one saying you should admit that my opinion of this piece was the only acceptable way to see it.....

    Kinda like how I cant have my opinion that Nader is not good candidate and is unelectable to me.

    You know how you dislike Obama? Well, there are many people on this board that feel the same dislike for Nader for various reasons. If you can comprehend that others feelings dont always match yours then maybe you can cut back on your Obama hatred and show more reasons to love Nader. Your railing at people that support Obama is NOT going to change their minds.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Kinda like how I cant have my opinion that Nader is not good candidate and is unelectable to me.

    You know how you dislike Obama? Well, there are many people on this board that feel the same dislike for Nader for various reasons. If you can comprehend that others feelings dont always match yours then maybe you can cut back on your Obama hatred and show more reasons to love Nader. Your railing at people that support Obama is NOT going to change their minds.


    i'm not the one saying others must admit my opinion is the only correct one, as you just did a few posts up. i'm only debating my opinion and backing it w/ my reasons the same as anybody else does on this board. when did i say you couldn't have your opinion or tell you that you need to admit mine was right? i'd really love to see this....

    i have shown several reasons as to why i feel nader is the best choice, i even posted some videos in your nader thread as well as my2hands' nader thread. abook, hailhail82 and several other ppl have posted reasons why, as well. my starting these threads isn't railing against ppl who support obama. it's purely about not agreeing w/ obama's policies, is that alright w/ you? to act otherwise is just reactionary and overly defensive. maybe i should've shut up about this administration for the past 7 years, i wouldn't want to offend any of their supporters, ya know?

    strong criticism and protest is absolutely essential to democracy.

    it's ridiculous to act like i'm the only one here criticizing politicians and their policies. plz point me to all these pro so and so threads that you have started? there are some pro threads here, i've even started some, but the overwhelming majority of the threads in this forum are in some form critical. i thought that's what progress was about? pointing out problems and trying to make them better.

    you may disagree, but i view politicians like obama as part of the problem and thus i criticize them. I'm sorry you seem to have such a problem w/ that.


    "Dissent is the mother of ascent" - Ralph Fucking Nader

    "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    flywallyfly wrote:
    maybe you can cut back on your Obama hatred and show more reasons to love Nader.


    ya mean like this one i started today that you even replied in????

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286206


    when you start calling out other posters on this forum for being overly critical or posting critical points of view then i'll believe you're not biased
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    El_Kabong wrote:
    ya mean like this one i started today that you even replied in????

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286206


    when you start calling out other posters on this forum for being overly critical or posting critical points of view then i'll believe you're not biased


    And how ironic that his sig contains a quote stating criticism of his favorite target while railing against all of us 'haters'. :p This place cracks me up sometimes.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And how ironic that his sig contains a quote stating criticism of his favorite target while railing against all of us 'haters'. :p This place cracks me up sometimes.

    Hehehe. The tagteam has arrived !! It might be easier if you two post under one name --> perhaps "Abookabong". I think I'll listen to the PM's and just leave well enough alone with you guys. Have a good one.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Hehehe. The tagteam has arrived !! It might be easier if you two post under one name --> perhaps "Abookabong". I think I'll listen to the PM's and just leave well enough alone with you guys. Have a good one.


    Sorry, I had an opinion to express here, too. I know how it's so taboo for me to post in the same threads and all but we're all here either agreeing or disagreeing.

    Easy out for those ridiculous claims, though....tried and true, abook posted in the same thread as kabong! :eek: *gasps* kinda like you and my2hands both posted against this article...color me shocked.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5480768&postcount=9
    > flywallyhands

    Have a nice night.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    El_Kabong wrote:
    we should try realizing ppl hold different opinions than our own?
    pot. kettle. black?

    now there's an idea kabong. because like it or not, that's how it feels around here sometimes.

    From my experience in this forum, some people are as hysterical against obama as they claim his supporters are hysterical for him.

    The 'Hillary invokes RFK assassination' thread is a classic example. If that was obama you would have been all over it.
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it's ridiculous to act like i'm the only one here criticizing politicians and their policies.

    that should read criticizing OBAMA and his policies kabong. because i rarely see you do it to the other candidates.

    correct me if i'm wrong. i'm sure you will.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    pot. kettle. black?

    missed. point. yep!

    i wasn't asking for anyone to admit my opinion was the only valid one, but i see you have no problem w/ that from flywallyfly, just me. i'm here to debate, sorry some don't like that, maybe the aet would be more their speed?

    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    now there's an idea kabong. because like it or not, that's how it feels around here sometimes.

    such as....??
    Pj_Gurl wrote:

    From my experience in this forum, some people are as hysterical against obama as they claim his supporters are hysterical for him.

    The 'Hillary invokes RFK assassination' thread is a classic example. If that was obama you would have been all over it.

    and what, join the rest of the obama supporters in patting themselves on the back that obama's a little bit better than hillary clinton?? does anyone here even support her? what's the point of that?

    ok, if it means so much to some ppl maybe later i'll reply to the thread and say 'yeah, hillary sucks, like we all agree!!!!'
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    that should read criticizing OBAMA and his policies kabong. because i rarely see you do it to the other candidates.

    correct me if i'm wrong. i'm sure you will.


    i say '3 corporate candidates' all the time. what's the need to debate where there is no arguement?????

    i got an idea; let's just start threads about how bush and cheney suck, so we can all just agree w/ each other.

    i posted this on the 2nd page but i'll post it again for you

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/El_Kabong/3warmongers.jpg
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    El_Kabong wrote:
    and what, join the rest of the obama supporters in patting themselves on the back that obama's a little bit better than hillary clinton?? does anyone here even support her? what's the point of that?.
    ok, if it means so much to some ppl maybe later i'll reply to the thread and say 'yeah, hillary sucks, like we all agree!!!!'.
    I don't need hillary to fuck up to think obama is more than a little bit better than her.
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i got an idea; let's just start threads about how bush and cheney suck, so we can all just agree w/ each other.
    That is NOT what i am saying. It's not even CLOSE. But go ahead and pretend it is. I'm saying is that the only candidate you openly criticize is Obama. I made that VERY clear in my post so stop trying to twist my words.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I don't need hillary to fuck up to think obama is more than a little bit better than her.

    That is NOT what i am saying. It's not even CLOSE. But go ahead and pretend it is. I'm saying is that the only candidate you openly criticize is Obama. I made that VERY clear in my post so stop trying to twist my words.


    that is not true. i've criticized hillary and mccain.

    let me ask again:
    who am i here to argue w/ over hillary and mccain being bad choices? nobody here thinks they are a good choice. i don't like wasting my time stating the obvious, if you like to then have at it

    gee, imagine i criticize the person who will get the nomination, whoda thunk it??? you all keep posting about how she has no chance at getting the nomination and needs to drop out and give in yet i'm supposed to start threads wasting my time posting about her?? that in my eyes has the same amount of pointlessness as posting a bush/cheney sucks!!! thread. give me something where we can have actual discourse
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Quick! Someone PM me about how mean and aggressive the Obama supporters are and how they all gang up in every Obama thread so I can feel vindicated!

    Nah, no need...I'm doing pretty well on my reasoning alone. Let's try to address that.

    ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    El_Kabong wrote:
    that is not true. i've criticized hillary and mccain.

    let me ask again:
    who am i here to argue w/ over hillary and mccain being bad choices? nobody here thinks they are a good choice. i don't like wasting my time stating the obvious, if you like to then have at it

    gee, imagine i criticize the person who will get the nomination, whoda thunk it??? you all keep posting about how she has no chance at getting the nomination and needs to drop out and give in yet i'm supposed to start threads wasting my time posting about her?? that in my eyes has the same amount of pointlessness as posting a bush/cheney sucks!!! thread. give me something where we can have actual discourse
    Wrong kabong. I have not made one post stating that Clinton should drop out, called her names, nor have i been openly critical of her unless warranted by her stupidity. The same as i would if it was McCain or Nader.

    This is my opinion of Nader, just in case you missed it.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5474092&postcount=24

    so i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. you know, i'm not so good at debating like most of you gurus in here but i speak from my heart, and i think the treatment of some of the obama supporters here is unfair. that's how i see it and i'm sorry if you disagree.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Wrong kabong. I have not made one post stating that Clinton should drop out, called her names, nor have i been openly critical of her unless warranted by her stupidity. The same as i would if it was McCain or Nader.

    This is my opinion of Nader, just in case you missed it.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5474092&postcount=24

    so i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. you know, i'm not so good at debating like most of you gurus in here but i speak from my heart, and i think the treatment of some of the obama supporters here is unfair. that's how i see it and i'm sorry if you disagree.


    what treatment of obama supporters was unfair?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Quick! Someone PM me about how mean and aggressive the Obama supporters are and how they all gang up in every Obama thread so I can feel vindicated!

    Nah, no need...I'm doing pretty well on my reasoning alone. Let's try to address that.

    ;)
    i wasn't being mean and agressive, and i've never sent a PM to anyone here about anything to do with this forum. I wasn't ganging up with anyone.

    i hope you all feel really clever. i just tried to say how i was feeling.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    i wasn't being mean and agressive, and i've never sent a PM to anyone here about anything to do with this forum. I wasn't ganging up with anyone.

    i hope you all feel really clever. i just tried to say how i was feeling.

    I wasn't referring to you. I will say I think you're pretty direct and open about how you feel, actually.

    I was just being a smart ass about another post....c'mon, let me be a smart ass every now and again. :p
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    my2hands wrote:

    so this article is total shit. i thin kit would have been much better to actually go into more detail about the red line agreement (which included much more then iraq by the way, to be acurate) instaed of somehow trying to include obama into that? i mwan that is just reaching for starws isnt it? lets be honest here...

    Its a good article, though rehashed. I read an expanded version of the article (without mention of Obama) in 2006 when it was published as a chapter in Palast's excellent book "Armed Madhouse" -the mysterious yellow book that kid in florida was tazed over. What the article is discussing is bigger than Obama and it should incite people to take a closer look at how and why we got to this point in Iraq. The article on Palast's website includes an informative timeline:

    http://www.gregpalast.com/obama%e2%80%99s-secret-war-profiteering-tax/

    http://www.gregpalast.com/wp-content/uploads/smiraqtimeline.jpg

    I like timelines. They help get beyond the bickering over the day to day news and see the bigger picture.
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    How anyone can say the oil companies' profits are undeserved or excessive is beyond me. Yes they made record profits the last two years. But what no one understands is that their expenses are ENORMOUS. In fact the oil industry is one of the least profitable industries there are. The percentage of profit to revenue of most major energy companies is 3-5%. What is Google's percentage? 25%.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan

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