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first a private army and now a private cia??

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited June 2007 in A Moving Train
first private security companies...now the execs of blackwater have created a private intelligence company!!

http://www.totalintel.com/dsp_aboutus.php

more info on blackwater and their use and similar companies in iraq and new orleans...they got paid $240,000 a dai in new orleans and more than 3/4 of a billion in iraq contracts, tens of thousands of 'contractors' on blackwater's payroll....

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12916&sectionid=3510304

what are your thoughts?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Lameage Majora
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,
    Liberal, fanatical, criminal.
    Wont you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
    Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    This was in The New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/opinion/25keefe.html
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • sapperskunksapperskunk Posts: 684
    El_Kabong wrote:
    first private security companies...now the execs of blackwater have created a private intelligence company!!

    http://www.totalintel.com/dsp_aboutus.php

    more info on blackwater and their use and similar companies in iraq and new orleans...they got paid $240,000 a dai in new orleans and more than 3/4 of a billion in iraq contracts, tens of thousands of 'contractors' on blackwater's payroll....

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=12916&sectionid=3510304

    what are your thoughts?


    AWESOME!

    I want to work for these guys. You know what I'd bet they'd pay? MUCHO MULLA!
    www.myspace.com/olafvonmastadon
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    sapperskunk wrote:
    AWESOME!

    I want to work for these guys. You know what I'd bet they'd pay? MUCHO MULLA!

    I know isn't great having a private military force and intelligence community that is not subject to Congressional over-sight.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    This was in The New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/opinion/25keefe.html


    thanks for the link, pretty scary shit!

    they have facilities in North Carolina and just built one in Illinois...
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    sapperskunk wrote:
    AWESOME!

    I want to work for these guys. You know what I'd bet they'd pay? MUCHO MULLA!

    You're right.

    Come back to us when you're through with your tour.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    this got me thinking of a book by ALvin Toffler who's written some really good books....he wrote a book called 'Powershift: Knowledge, Wealth, and Power at the Edge of the 21st Century'

    it was written in 90 or 91, but in it he predicts how the spreading of information will rapidly increase and will become a problem for those in power and who want to stay there...and that multinational corporations, terrorists...will dictate policy and that the culmination of it will be the privatization of the intelligence aparatus...

    here are some editorial reviews from amazon


    Alvin augments our vocabulary with terms like "info-warrior", "eco-spasm", "super-symbolic economy" and "powershift." He examines the relationship between violence, wealth, and knowledge and concludes that an entirely new system of wealth creation is emerging, as well as entirely new approach to information dissemination that places most of our command and control, communications, computing, and intelligence (C4I) investment in the dump heap with the Edsels of the past. He anticipates both the emergence of information wars at all levels, and the demise of bureaucracy. He cautions us about the emerging power of the "Global Gladiators"-religions, corporations, and terrorists (nice little mix) and concludes that in order for nations to maintain their strategic edge, an effective intelligence apparatus will be a necessity and will "boom" in the 21st Century, with the privatization of intelligence being its most prominent break from the past.


    From Publishers Weekly
    Knowledge, not violence nor money, is the essence of power in the information age, claims Toffler ( Future Shock ) as he observes "info-wars" raging in such arenas as computers, high-definition TV, electronic networks, and industrial espionage, and the fight for control of customer data by retailers, manufacturers, banks and credit-card issuers. He hails the emerging "flex-firm," a company open to many types of free form "counterbureaucratic" organization. Toffler credits junk-bond salesman Michael Milken with making finance more competitive and less monopolistic. Assessing the "power triad" of the U.S./Japan/Western Europe, he deems European nations the least stable link, with Germany gaining ascendancy. He looks warily at "Global Gladiators"--drug cartels, Khomeini, multinationals--who challenge the boundaries of the nation-state. Toffler's inflated, slogan-slinging probe entertains as it serves up bytes of information and insight, some provocative, some facile.
    Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

    From Library Journal
    Following Future Shock ( LJ 7/70) and The Third Wave ( LJ 4/1/80), this final volume of Toffler's trilogy on revolutionary change argues that the control of knowledge has become the principal means to create wealth and power. Aided by the widespread use of computers and other communications technologies, this "powershift," Toffler predicts, will dramatically alter the world's political balance. The superpowers will no longer dominate, since massive military power and control of natural resources will diminish in importance. Access to the latest information will allow developing countries to skip stages of economic growth. On the business level, executives will use knowledge as an instrument to gain control of their companies. Unfortunately, Toffler's thesis suffers from an unclear concept of power, failing to distinguish clearly between influence and the use or threat of force, and some of his claims about the power of knowledge seem exaggerated. The book's best feature is the wide range of information it contains, presented in an easy-to-read style. Previewed in Prepub Alert, LJ 7/90.
    - David Gordon, Bowling Green State Univ., Ohio
    Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    El_Kabong wrote:
    this got me thinking of a book by ALvin Toffler who's written some really good books....he wrote a book called 'Powershift: Knowledge, Wealth, and Power at the Edge of the 21st Century'

    it was written in 90 or 91, but in it he predicts how the spreading of information will rapidly increase and will become a problem for those in power and who want to stay there...and that multinational corporations, terrorists...will dictate policy and that the culmination of it will be the privatization of the intelligence aparatus...

    here are some editorial reviews from amazon


    Alvin augments our vocabulary with terms like "info-warrior", "eco-spasm", "super-symbolic economy" and "powershift." He examines the relationship between violence, wealth, and knowledge and concludes that an entirely new system of wealth creation is emerging, as well as entirely new approach to information dissemination that places most of our command and control, communications, computing, and intelligence (C4I) investment in the dump heap with the Edsels of the past. He anticipates both the emergence of information wars at all levels, and the demise of bureaucracy. He cautions us about the emerging power of the "Global Gladiators"-religions, corporations, and terrorists (nice little mix) and concludes that in order for nations to maintain their strategic edge, an effective intelligence apparatus will be a necessity and will "boom" in the 21st Century, with the privatization of intelligence being its most prominent break from the past.


    From Publishers Weekly
    Knowledge, not violence nor money, is the essence of power in the information age, claims Toffler ( Future Shock ) as he observes "info-wars" raging in such arenas as computers, high-definition TV, electronic networks, and industrial espionage, and the fight for control of customer data by retailers, manufacturers, banks and credit-card issuers. He hails the emerging "flex-firm," a company open to many types of free form "counterbureaucratic" organization. Toffler credits junk-bond salesman Michael Milken with making finance more competitive and less monopolistic. Assessing the "power triad" of the U.S./Japan/Western Europe, he deems European nations the least stable link, with Germany gaining ascendancy. He looks warily at "Global Gladiators"--drug cartels, Khomeini, multinationals--who challenge the boundaries of the nation-state. Toffler's inflated, slogan-slinging probe entertains as it serves up bytes of information and insight, some provocative, some facile.
    Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

    From Library Journal
    Following Future Shock ( LJ 7/70) and The Third Wave ( LJ 4/1/80), this final volume of Toffler's trilogy on revolutionary change argues that the control of knowledge has become the principal means to create wealth and power. Aided by the widespread use of computers and other communications technologies, this "powershift," Toffler predicts, will dramatically alter the world's political balance. The superpowers will no longer dominate, since massive military power and control of natural resources will diminish in importance. Access to the latest information will allow developing countries to skip stages of economic growth. On the business level, executives will use knowledge as an instrument to gain control of their companies. Unfortunately, Toffler's thesis suffers from an unclear concept of power, failing to distinguish clearly between influence and the use or threat of force, and some of his claims about the power of knowledge seem exaggerated. The book's best feature is the wide range of information it contains, presented in an easy-to-read style. Previewed in Prepub Alert, LJ 7/90.
    - David Gordon, Bowling Green State Univ., Ohio
    Copyright 1990 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


    This guy is dead on.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    This guy is dead on.

    Q: oh, c'mon!
    A: no, no. I'm a believer in what can exist, does exist, in this sort of thing. And it does. Cripes, you only have to look at the cons and their belief in creating their own reality for their own existential pursuits through whatever means necessary.
    Q: so what? artists do it all the time.
    A: art is a skill and an occupation. it isn't necessarily determined by common sense.
    Q: so what is common sense for?
    A: Arguably, Art serves a place in subservience, not in policy to it's people. The message is common sense. Common sense is the message.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Q: oh, c'mon!
    A: no, no. I'm a believer in what can exist, does exist, in this sort of thing. And it does. Cripes, you only have to look at the cons and their belief in creating their own reality for their own existential pursuits through whatever means necessary.
    Q: so what? artists do it all the time.
    A: art is a skill and an occupation. it isn't necessarily determined by common sense.
    Q: so what is common sense for?
    A: Arguably, Art serves a place in subservience, not in policy to it's people. The message is common sense. Common sense is the message.

    Q: I don't think you served any common sense in that message.
    A: I'm not an artist.
    Q: we're all artists.
    A: maybe so. Our role in the story is limited to only the story we can tell for ourselves, of ourselves. nothing more or less.
    Q: role? in what story?
    A: your story, you dimwitted fuck.
    Q: hey, can I get banned for insulting myself?
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    you're just waking up?!
    Feels Good Inc.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    gue_barium wrote:
    Q: I don't think you served any common sense in that message.
    A: I'm not an artist.
    Q: we're all artists.
    A: maybe so. Our role in the story is limited to only the story we can tell for ourselves, of ourselves. nothing more or less.
    Q: role? in what story?
    A: your story, you dimwitted fuck.
    Q: hey, can I get banned for insulting myself?


    this guy given you a hard time, gue???
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Bu2 wrote:
    you're just waking up?!


    did i miss breakfast?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    El_Kabong wrote:
    this guy given you a hard time, gue???
    Wisdom. The burden.

    Even in wisdom, a good ass-kicking is in order sometimes.

    Kick his ass, Sea Bass!
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Sausages with scrambled eggs on a roll, extra pepper, no less.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Bu2 wrote:
    Sausages with scrambled eggs on a roll, extra pepper, no less.
    Hey now lady, this has nothing to do with you.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    gue_barium wrote:
    Hey now lady, this has nothing to do with you.

    while you men smoke your cigars and play politics?
    Feels Good Inc.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Bu2 wrote:
    while you men smoke your cigars and play politics?

    I took it the wrong way when it came out. I thought your post was a defintion in reference to my ass-kicking by kabong. Not that he could kick my ass like that, but, the fact you were offering that sort of moral support and assistance...sheesh.

    I still remember the first time I had grits in Oklahoma.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Bu2 wrote:
    Sausages with scrambled eggs on a roll, extra pepper, no less.
    I thought that was me. getting my ass kicked!
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    maybe i do have ptsd.
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