Obama on health care: now & then

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
Obama in 2003:
I'm a proponent for single payer health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32maPZg_Ukc

Obama in 2007:
I recognize sympathy for single payer health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph6mW5AK0qg
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    right... he realized the american public is not ready for single payer after years of propaganda so he has modeled his plan after some state plans and tweaked it to try and provide universal coverage... breaking the seal if you will. changing direction without trying to make a full u turn immediately


    just ask john edwards and dennis kucinich how the single payer platform worked out for them. or hell, even ask nader. if americans was demanding it and a vast majority supported it like you and a few others claim then they would be flocking to edwards, kucinich, or nader right? well guess what, they are not. a majority of americans dont even understand what the fuck single payer health care is


    do you know what John McCains idea is for health care? nothing.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    my2hands wrote:
    do you know what John McCains idea is for health care? nothing.

    Not a fan of McCain, nor would I be voting for him, but McCain's healthcare plan is far more radical than Obama's. Obama will simply continue the path we've been on for 50 years -- the institutionalization of healthcare payments. McCain would attempt to largely undo what has been done in the past two generations and put healthcare decisions back in the hands of individuals instead of the government and insurance companies. Obama's plan would make fundamental changes for a small minority of people. McCain's plan would make fundamental changes to the large majority of people.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    right... he realized the american public is not ready for single payer after years of propaganda so he has modeled his plan after some state plans and tweaked it to try and provide universal coverage... breaking the seal if you will. changing direction without trying to make a full u turn immediately


    just ask john edwards and dennis kucinich how the single payer platform worked out for them. or hell, even ask nader. if americans was demanding it and a vast majority supported it like you and a few others claim then they would be flocking to edwards, kucinich, or nader right? well guess what, they are not. a majority of americans dont even understand what the fuck single payer health care is


    do you know what John McCains idea is for health care? nothing.


    yeeeeaaaaah, that must be it. years of propaganda, eh?

    how is obama changing direction, exactly??

    breaking the seal of backpedaling bullshit, maybe
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    rig
    just ask john edwards and dennis kucinich how the single payer platform worked out for them. or hell, even ask nader. if americans was demanding it and a vast majority supported it like you and a few others claim then they would be flocking to edwards, kucinich, or nader right? well guess what, they are not. a majority of americans dont even understand what the fuck single payer health care is


    maybe it has something to do w/ the media saying they aren't 'realistic' or 'electable' and what little coverage they get (granted edwards got more) is usually negative or trying to make them look like a fool. hell, when ppl like kucinich and nader are interviewed by the mainstream, corporate media they usually start off w/ 'you know you're not gonna be elected....'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • i like this site:
    freemarketcure.com - Myths about Single Payer Health Care

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    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    right... he realized the american public is not ready for single payer after years of propaganda so he has modeled his plan after some state plans and tweaked it to try and provide universal coverage... breaking the seal if you will. changing direction without trying to make a full u turn immediately


    just ask john edwards and dennis kucinich how the single payer platform worked out for them. or hell, even ask nader. if americans was demanding it and a vast majority supported it like you and a few others claim then they would be flocking to edwards, kucinich, or nader right? well guess what, they are not. a majority of americans dont even understand what the fuck single payer health care is


    odd...

    http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080604/NEWS0502/306040005

    "when we finally win the battle for universal health care in this country...."

    then why isn't obama supporting universal health care????

    some interesting polls for ya

    http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/935a3HealthCare.pdf

    - Question 48 in the poll shows that 79% of Americans say they support "providing health care coverage for all Americans, even if it means raising taxes" over "holding down taxes, even if it means some Americans do not have health care coverage."

    - Question 49 shows 62% say they support a universal health care system "run by the government and financed by taxpayers" over the current system.

    - Question 50 shows 57% say they would support this program even "if it limited your own choice of doctors" (which doesn't necessarily have to be a side-effect of a single-payer system).

    - Similarly, question 51 shows 62% say they would support this program even "if it meant there were waiting lists for some non-emergency treatments" (again, not necessarily a side-effect).


    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/01/opinion/polls/main2528357.shtml
    Poll: The Politics Of Health Care
    Most Americans Favor Universal Health Care

    http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html
    Americans by a 2-1 margin prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01cnd-poll.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
    A majority of Americans say the federal government should guarantee health insurance to every American, especially children, and are willing to pay higher taxes to do it, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.




    maybe you could enlighten the majority of americans who DO seem to want a universal health care plan, my2hands
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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