Conservatives on McCain...
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Other than his stance on Immigration... why don't Conservatives like John McCain? He seems pretty conservative to me. And his views on Immigration are in line with George W. Bush (pro-business). That's pretty Conservative.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yeah... what's the deal?
Granted, the immigration thing... but, I think he realizes that it is virtually impossible (and way too expensive) to round up 11 to 20 million people and deport them. Where are we supposed to find the resources to do this? Who is going to pay for it? How much is it going to cost us in tax dollars? It's similar to trying to put the water back over the levee before fixing the breech.
But, most of his other views (Defense, taxes, business, government intervention... ) all pretty conservative.
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Is it because he is telling the Christian Right (Pat Robertson and Co.) that he will further their agenda... but, everyone knows he won't and is just looking for their votes? If so... that called 'Campaigning'... which is a synonym for 'Lying' and all accepted as part of politics. We all know that.
I don't know why they say he isn't Conservative.
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i realize this doesn't help the thread but deal with it....;
She won't. That's all talk. She may even vote 3rd, but not for Hill.
http://media.www.claremontindependent.com/media/storage/paper1031/news/2006/09/01/Opinion/The-Fight.About.Boxing-2270212.shtml
There was also that BCRA idea that helped to erode a good portion of the First Amendment.
Many Conservatives were not big fans of his involvement in the Gang of Fourteen.
Those are just three more examples.
see: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm
These are three issues that may be attributed to the conservative side of the Republican Party. Agreeing on those three issues alone though will not make him adored by the base.
Friday, February 8, 2008
SO ... DID HE SAY THE RIGHT THINGS?
This for all of you "die-hard Reagan Republicans" out there ... you know, the ones who are acting like you're not going to support John McCain in this year's election .. and who may even sit this one out. By now you should have heard about McCain's speech yesterday before CPAC. Here are just some of the things McCain said he would do:
Continue to carry the fight to the Islamic radicals and goons wherever we can get to them.
Close the borders .. tight .. before any consideration is given as to what to do with the illegals who are already here.
Not sign a bill with earmarks in it. ANY earmarks in it.
Reduce the size of government.
Not allow the expansion of entitlement programs
Make the Bush tax cuts permanent
Cut corporate tax rates.
End AMT
Develop free market solutions for health care, and respect for the right of free individuals to make choices for themselves.
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who the hell knows how true it is or not. it is basically political speech after all.
true, that's the problem..... and it's freaking annoying.
electile dysfunction.
My girlfriend was telling me about a good book she read about how the Christian right hijacked and is basically destroying the Republican party. The Republican party has strayed far from it's core beliefs in order to please a very vocal and organized minority of it's base.
is the christian right responsible for raising military spending to astronomical heights? ... are they responsible about lying to goto war? ... are they responsible for the debocle that is this war on terror?
Well, yeah, they did essentially saddle us with Bush because he pandered to them. You can probably count on one hand the amount of actual economic conservatives in the Republican party. Bush is not a conservative at all by any stretch of the imagination.
The role of federal government is absolutely the protection of the state governments as a protectorate but Bush went out looking for a fight. That's not really the way it's supposed to work. Dialog... is a hell of a lot cheaper.
The new trend is Big Government conservative... that's essentially a neo conservative. Everything that's bad about liberal economics+ really bad social policy trying to force everyone to conform.
One serious problem I have with this election is the hilarious mention of "getting out the special interests"
I'm sorry what? Both parties right now are completely funded by special interests. They are different groups of special interest people but boths life blood money and power are completely special interests. They are one huge reason the tax code is so complicated.... You scratch my back... I'll scratch yours. The choice has become who's back gets scratched the most.
It's one reason I am so annoyed by Hillary... she's completely full of shit. Every speech is about special interest and the old boys club.... she's one of the freaking boys and she's just as hard headed as Bush.
Essentially the biggest problem with the Bush presidency is his stubbornness and unwillingness to negociate with anyone about anything. That has led to every other problem we've run into in 8 years.. His idea of compromise is just spending more money.
No actually both parties are responsible for that because, and please correct me if I'm wrong, both parties voted to give Bush the authority to go to war and both parties have continued to fund the war.
i'm sorry - but the last two elections were rigged - whether anyone chooses to accept that fact or not is of little consequence ... the gov't is run by corporations whether they be republicans or democrats ... it is just which lobby they wish to benefit while in office that defines them ... the christian right have been used in my opinion by the neo-cons because they are so easily manipulated and are willing to give benefit of the doubt as long as they hear the words they want to hear ...
absolutely ... its just i'm of the opinion that the christian right haven't hijacked the party - it's just that the party have used the christian right ...
unfortunately fundamentalists are fairly easily led.
your earlier point is what I was talking about... we basically right now are in a cycle where "change" just changes which corporations and special interest groups get pandered too... the status quo is basically maintained.
I have to disagree with you. The Christian right has absolutely hijacked the party. Let's take the Terri Shiavo case as an example. Traditional conservatives would have never even thought about getting the federal government involved in that situation. This new conservative philosophy jumped into the fold head first. The Republican in congress met for an emergency session in order to intervene in the case. The president came back from vacation early just to sign off on the proposal. This is all because the Christian right was up in arms about this woman's impending death. Look how the Republican candidate pander to the Christian right during the primaries. Look how President Bush wanted to amend the Constitution because of same sex marriage. This is all done because the Christian right has taken over that party. No true conservative would have ever intervened in the Shiavo case or even entertained the thought of amending the constitution because of same sex marriage. The Christian rights agenda has become the agenda of the Republican party.
indeed.... see abortion.
but what have they actually done for the christian right besides these face gestures? ... abortion, same sex marriage, etc ... are all where they were at pre-bush ...
this administrations impact is best defined by the war on terror and the exploding defecit - how are they related to the christian right?? ... it's about their handling of appointments and failures in domestic issues as well as foreign policy - these have nothing to do with the CR ... they are the ones that have been used ... they are the ones that look the other way while people are dying for no good reason just as long as bush continues to pay them these small comforts ...
I don't even see McCain as much in line with the traditional conservatives either. Traditional conservatives still had a belief that the Government is not always the best answer. BCRA and a government office created to oversee boxing do not fall into line with that philosophy. This is what is also pissing off many conservatives.
What is the name of the book? I would like to read it. I lived it, and can tell you that at the grassroots level the party was hijacked by the Robertson fundie nuts, who organized a hell of movement at the precinct level. The caucus meetings were filled with people who proclaimed their acceptance of Jesus into their hearts. If you didn't utter those words, you had no chance of being elected a delegate to the county or state conventions. They would put up their slate of candidates and effectively push the slate through. I bailed from the GOP a couple of decades ago when I couldn't take the jesus freaks anymore.
I understand what Polaris is saying as well. I think the neocons like Cheney were able to play to the fundies and use them. The fundies are amazing organizers and hard workers, but intellectually are pretty weak.
well not really....my dad worked for the nevada republican party back in the late '80s early 90's......this was when the christians started "infiltrating" the party....they started local and worked their way up.....and they are just as sleezy as the corporate fatcats.....i'm not gonna go into details (mostly cuz i can't really remember them - i was in college at the time so i wasn't around that much