George Herbert Walker Bush...

Cosmo

Did anyone watch the PBS 'American Experience' on George H.W. Bush?
The second half airs tonight... picking up at the Persian Gulf War of 1991.
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And I bet to many of yours surprize... I thought G.H.W.Bush was a good president. Which is why I voted for him in 1988 and supported him throughout his term in office. I remember the criticism he got during his term... Conservatives wanted him to be more like Reagan... Liberals jumped all over him for the 'No New Taxes' thing. But, he was the right president for 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. I believe any other president would have gone to Berlin when the wall came down and celebrated. Bush knew that this was a German event for the Germany people to celebrate because they were the ones who had been seperated. I am convinved that a President Reagan would have gone over and gloated (something many republicans in 1989 criticized Bush for not doing)... but, it was not the right thing to do.
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Add... people no longer question why G.H.W. Bush did not go into Baghdad in 1991 because now... they know why.
Finally... his male kids are assholes.

Nevermind

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
It runs in the family.

Cosmo

Nevermind wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
It runs in the family.

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Yes... I understand that. But, I also understand that I am not responsible for the actions of my father... just as you are not responsible for the actions of yours.
G.H.W.Bush skipped going to college and enlisted in the Navy, instead. He did so against his father's wishes. While a Naval Aviator, he flew combat missions in a Dautless dive bomber. He attended Yale after the war and did not follow his brothers into Wall street finance (like his father). Instead, he went to Texas and got a job painting oil rigging pumps. He decided to venture off on his own and wildcatted a drilling rig... which ended up striking oil.
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I had and have respect for George H.W. Bush... the man. It does not mean I have to feel the same for his family members.

Nevermind

You should give this book a read.
http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Webster-Griffin-Tarpley/dp/0930852923/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210105964&sr=8-1

Cosmo

Nevermind wrote:

You should give this book a read.
http://www.amazon.com/George-Bush-Webster-Griffin-Tarpley/dp/0930852923/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210105964&sr=8-1

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I've heard about this book (it's been out there a while)... i'll give it a read. i am pretty open to differing viewpoints and opinions. Well, except for the ones out on the lunatic fringe.

SilverSeed

Cosmo wrote:

Finally... his male kids are assholes.

Haha, love this part.

But yeah, you can't really judge his kids based on what he did. That'd be rough... I might be in jail if that were legally allowed...

However, if the Bush family were to lose their fortune to Holocaust survivors (or their heirs), I would absolutely love it. It'd be the least Georgie boy deserves...

Edit: Goddamn i don't know how to use the quote thing...

Trailer

Cosmo wrote:

But, he was the right president for 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. I believe any other president would have gone to Berlin when the wall came down and celebrated. Bush knew that this was a German event for the Germany people to celebrate because they were the ones who had been seperated. I am convinved that a President Reagan would have gone over and gloated (something many republicans in 1989 criticized Bush for not doing)... but, it was not the right thing to do.

Yeah, I watched that.... and agree with what you said above.

Telomere

Bush #1 was a pretty ordinary one term president. He didn't do too much that was too great, or too terrible, and left the country in pretty decent order. However, compared to his son, the man was a genius.

I wonder how he actually feels watching his son lead this on-going debacle that is the current administration? It has to be gut-wrenching. I feel for the guy.

Trailer

Telomere wrote:

Bush #1 was a pretty ordinary one term president. He didn't do too much that was too great, or too terrible, and left the country in pretty decent order. However, compared to his son, the man was a genius.

I wonder how he actually feels watching his son lead this on-going debacle that is the current administration? It has to be gut-wrenching. I feel for the guy.

After watching the rest of that show, it seems Bush was better than I thought. He wasn't reelected mainly because of the slight recession happening at the time, and his lack of enthusiasm towards campaigning (eg. looking at his watch during a nationally televised debate against Clinton).

However, they said that much of 90's economic boom was due to Bush's economic plan he had set forth in 1990. Since Clinton was president during the 'boom' he often is the man that is credited, and not Bush.

Bush in hindsight was actually a pretty good president.

NMyTree

Daddy Bush was the man behind so many terrible things in all three of his tenures in the White House, and even before that.

Especially when he was standing behind Reagan with his hand firmly planted on Ronnie's back.

Reagan was what he was. An actor.

And his biggest performance (but not his best) was that of playing the highly-acclaimed role of President OF The United States.

The term "Good President" never brings to mind Daddy Bush. Never.

my2hands

NMyTree wrote:

Daddy Bush was the man behind so many terrible things in all three of his tenures in the White House, and even before that.


The term "Good President" never brings to mind Daddy Bush. Never.

right on

Trailer

NMyTree wrote:

Daddy Bush was the man behind so many terrible things in all three of his tenures in the White House, and even before that.

Especially when he was standing behind Reagan with his hand firmly planted on Ronnie's back.

Reagan was what he was. An actor.

And his biggest performance (but not his best) was that of playing the highly-acclaimed role of President OF The United States.

The term "Good President" never brings to mind Daddy Bush. Never.

I guess I should change it from "good president" to "better than I thought president". Of course that documentary is only going to highlight his accomplishments and good doings, so the viewer is somewhat coerced into viewing him in a better light. I'll agree that the Bush's have delved in some shady shit... starting with Prescott.. but then again, that could probably be said about every US president to some degree.

I'm not standing up for the Bush's, or anything that they were supposedly involved with, I'm just stating that his Presidency looks better now than it did then.

godpt3

NMyTree wrote:

Reagan was what he was. An actor.

during his second term, Ronnie was probably suffering the early effects of Alzheimers. His occasional confusion probably wasn't an act.

tybird

Trailer wrote:

After watching the rest of that show, it seems Bush was better than I thought. He wasn't reelected mainly because of the slight recession happening at the time, and his lack of enthusiasm towards campaigning (eg. looking at his watch during a nationally televised debate against Clinton).

However, they said that much of 90's economic boom was due to Bush's economic plan he had set forth in 1990. Since Clinton was president during the 'boom' he often is the man that is credited, and not Bush.

Bush in hindsight was actually a pretty good president.

Had a college professor tell us before the 1990 election that the winner would catch the economic up swell part of the cycle....it just happened too late to help Bush Sr.

Bush Sr.'s crew actually help to prevent a war between Pakistan and India during his term....have a great article about that somewhere.

Cosmo

I'm not trying to pursuade anyone here... I just happen to believe that although flawed... Bush(41) wasn't that bad of a Predident... and was the right President to be in place from 1988 to 1992.
Remember the events of that brief period... The Fall of The Berlin Wall, The Iraqi Invasion and occupation of Kuwait and the ensuing Gulf War and the Japanese take over of American business and manufacturing (for those who remember the 'Buy American' campaigns of 1990)... and the Los Angeles Riots.
All of those were huge world and domestic events. all in all... I think he did a pretty good job.
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Note: The President is NOT in control of and responsible for the actions of the L.A.P.D. or the Los Angeles Municipal courts.
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and I also believe he should have been the one listened to by his idiot son regarding the War in Iraq. He lost that arguement to Jesus.

Commy

Cosmo wrote:

I'm not trying to pursuade anyone here... I just happen to believe that although flawed... Bush(41) wasn't that bad of a Predident... and was the right President to be in place from 1988 to 1992.
Remember the events of that brief period... The Fall of The Berlin Wall, The Iraqi Invasion and occupation of Kuwait and the ensuing Gulf War and the Japanese take over of American business and manufacturing (for those who remember the 'Buy American' campaigns of 1990)... and the Los Angeles Riots.
All of those were huge world and domestic events. all in all... I think he did a pretty good job.
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Note: The President is NOT in control of and responsible for the actions of the L.A.P.D. or the Los Angeles Municipal courts.
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and I also believe he should have been the one listened to by his idiot son regarding the War in Iraq. He lost that arguement to Jesus.

Not a bad president? His cabinet continues and initiated many of the neo-liberal policies that persist today, some of which have led us to this recession. Corporate welfare, as Reagan had done, continued.

And his cabinet consisted of many of the same people that Bush II currently employs, hence the neo-con hawk approach to foreign policy.

The familiy is full of war criminals.

mammasan

Cosmo you have mad some good points about Bush but he will forever remain on my shit list because he pardoned Orlando Bosch. That man was directly responsible for so many deaths and so many acts of terrorism and Bush simply pardons him.

SleepingWithTheOckus

mammasan wrote:

Cosmo you have mad some good points about Bush but he will forever remain on my shit list because he pardoned Orlando Bosch. That man was directly responsible for so many deaths and so many acts of terrorism and Bush simply pardons him.

You do understand that the pardon of Orlando Bosch is directly related to Operation 40, and the assassination of John F. Kennedy, right? Both Bosch and Posada Carriles were CIA operatives and Operation 40 participants. That puts them in the Bay of Pigs club. That also puts them right next to George HW Bush, and in the running for involvement with the JFK assassination.

Infact, Bosch is assumed to be the guy next to "Umbrella Man" by many researchers. That would make him out to be a signal man for the shooting. Umbrella Man clearly lifted his umbrella high as the presidential limo passed by.

Bush is very clearly implicated in the activities surrounding the Bay of Pigs at this point. Three supply ships for the CIA operations there were named after his Wife, his home town, and his oil company -- The Barbara, The Houston and The Zapata. Speaking of Zapata, check out what old wikipedia and former CIA staff have to say about Bush's oil company - Zapata Oil. Conveniently located just about 80 miles away from the Bay of Pigs on a remote island off the shores of Cuba. Yet Bush claims he wasn't in the CIA at the time. Hah.

The Nixon tapes have Nixon implicating the "texas people" in the same conversation regarding E Howard Hunt and the "Bay of Pigs thing". Bush called the FBI to report a possible suspect in the shooting, but only after the shooting, and he left an alibi for why he was in dallas the evening before while he was at it. He also comes up in a FBI memo from Hoover himself regarding JFK and Cuba ... but claimed right throught the 90's that he was not in the CIA at the time. Ask yourself why a man who was never in the CIA would be appointed the director of the CIA under Nixon? How about if both you and Nixon were involved with the goings-on, and you were in the CIA at the time, and knew how to handle a cover up?

Cosmo

Again, kiddies... I am not trying to pursuade anyone.
I just happen to believe that Bush(41) was a descent President... for the time he served... and the events that occurred on his watch. Imagine if Bush(43) or Clinton or Reagan were in office when the Soviet Union fell. Grandstanding as an American victory may have resulted in huge consequences... and I can picture all 3 of those men grandstanding... especially Reagan.
Plus the guy was a legitimate War hero, Reagan played the role of a war Hero... Clinton and Bush naver faced enemy fire. Bush(41) was someone who understood what it was like to be in battle... which is why he didn't chase the Iraqi army back into Baghdad. Yes... some poor decisions made. But on the big decisions, he got them right.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

He's a rapist....

except he rapes entire countries...

angelica

Cosmo wrote:

and I also believe he should have been the one listened to by his idiot son regarding the War in Iraq. He lost that arguement to Jesus.

What I see is that he lost that argument to the limited worldview of his son, wherein things appear in black/white or good/bad. aka distorted and two-dimensional.

Cosmo

angelica wrote:

What I see is that he lost that argument to the limited worldview of his son, wherein things appear in black/white or good/bad. aka distorted and two-dimensional.

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Plus the fact that Jesus is probably not the best person to consult when you are planning to unleash the most powerful army in the world to slaughter an inept and weakened arrmy on their home turf. Bush(the idiot Bush that was dropped on his head as a baby) should have sought the advice of Bush(41) who successfully a true coalition that included adversaries and understood the costs, complexities and consequences of a long, protracted occupation... instead of his 'Higher Father'. Somehow, you'd think that he'd (Bush(the lying liar who lies that you see on television)) understand that the 'Prince of Peace' would make a terribly inept War Consultant.

angelica

Cosmo wrote:

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Plus the fact that Jesus is probably not the best person to consult when you are planning to unleash the most powerful army in the world to slaughter an inept and weakened arrmy on their home turf. Bush(the idiot Bush that was dropped on his head as a baby) should have sought the advice of Bush(41) who successfully a true coalition that included adversaries and understood the costs, complexities and consequences of a long, protracted occupation... instead of his 'Higher Father'. Somehow, you'd think that he'd (Bush(the lying liar who lies that you see on television)) understand that the 'Prince of Peace' would make a terribly inept War Consultant.

I see it the other way around...I see that consulting the symbol that represents the quintessence of one's most highest ideals is the.....highest ideal one can consult. It goes to show that a limited vision and world view, even when operating from one's highest ideals(if such decisions were truly based on Jesus), remains a limited view.

As David Lynch says, when we look through a golfball size consciousness, we have a golfball size awareness.

Rhinocerous Surprise

angelica wrote:

I see it the other way around...I see that consulting the symbol that represents the quintessence of one's most highest ideals is the.....highest ideal one can consult. It goes to show that a limited vision and world view, even when operating from one's highest ideals(if such decisions were truly based on Jesus), remains a limited view.

As David Lynch says, when we look through a golfball size consciousness, we have a golfball size awareness.

Saying Dubya has a golfball-sized consciousness is pretty harsh...




... on golfballs.