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Alone TogetherAlone Together Posts: 35
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
Keith Olbermann on the difference between terrorists and critics:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15147009/
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 Posts: 2,263
    at least someone in the mainstream media has the guts to really call out this administration.

    keep it up keith.. hopefully you'll get through to everybody.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    You know I used to think the Clinton Administration was the most arrogant group of assholes ever. That was babyshit along side of what this administratio is doing.

    Ah well. We haven't been attacked since 9-11. :rolleyes:
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    This is all glaringly obvious.. yet America seems happy with this fuck.

    George Bush should be arrested..

    It is the saddest thing in history.
  • bmwweirdoguybmwweirdoguy Posts: 228
    Olbermann's been kicking ass lately...
    "Trial and error isn't a bad way to learn how to build an aircraft, but it can be a disastrous way to learn how to build a civilization..."
  • paisleypaisley Posts: 14
    I love Keith Olbermann.
    the south hates you too, pearl jam.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    bmwweirdoguy wrote:
    Olbermann's been kicking ass lately...
    He sure has. I love his tenacity.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    That was really good. Keith Olberman is telling it like it is.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Haha awesome!

    He said Bush is unconnected to reality. I've never heard this kind of stuff from the media. There is a light!
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 Posts: 2,263
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Haha awesome!

    He said Bush is unconnected to reality. I've never heard this kind of stuff from the media. There is a light!

    its great.. he actually comes out and calls them what they are.. liars. no beating around the bush.. no sugar coating.. no more "faulty intelligence" or any of that bullshit.. its lies. all lies.

    go keith
    i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    DPrival78 wrote:
    its great.. he actually comes out and calls them what they are.. liars. no beating around the bush.. no sugar coating.. no more "faulty intelligence" or any of that bullshit.. its lies. all lies.

    go keith

    That's what I love. Even anti-conservative shows like the Daily Show and the Colbert Report criticize the administration in a lighter way- through humor. But he just comes out right and says it. He has some serious cojones.
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    Oh that makes me so sad. Because too many people will never 'get' it. They'll believe what the liars are telling them because they want to believe. Its become so much us vs. them that if 'they' are right, the 'us' won't accept it. Who is saying whatever it is becomes more important than the comments themselves. Do you think people who support Bush would read this article and accept Olbermann's statements? I don't know if they will. But the first step is to keep putting it out there like Olbermann.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Dissent is now assimilated into the dominant ideology, and tolerated by the Bush regime as a token example of media free speech, mid term. But imagine 2008. Would loud media questioning, of the mechanics of Diebold and where our vote goes, be classified as benign and rightfully representative dissent, or might it stray into the territory of dissidence? This will be the bottom line, come election time. Watch your advertisers on NBC, ABC and CBS, around that time. What gets plugged most? What is allowed to be said?
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    Olbermann has been hitting home run after home run...
  • edgarcampedgarcamp Posts: 100
    It's funny, I heard the same things about Rush a few years ago. It is easy to sit back and pass judgement. Olbermann is a pompous armchair quarterback just like Rush. Whoever is in charge will always get pounded by people like this. It's not like KO is bringing us anything new. We, the American people, know what is going on. It is up to us to make changes if we see fit. Obviously, not enough people have seen fit...
    Rush and Keith don't make anything better. I know each one has an agenda behind what they say, so why bother listening. I'd rather hear what you people here have to say. You are not trying to sell commercials.
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    edgarcamp wrote:
    It's funny, I heard the same things about Rush a few years ago. It is easy to sit back and pass judgement. Olbermann is a pompous armchair quarterback just like Rush. Whoever is in charge will always get pounded by people like this. It's not like KO is bringing us anything new. We, the American people, know what is going on. It is up to us to make changes if we see fit. Obviously, not enough people have seen fit...
    Rush and Keith don't make anything better. I know each one has an agenda behind what they say, so why bother listening. I'd rather hear what you people here have to say. You are not trying to sell commercials.

    What he does different than guys like Rush and Bill O'Reilly is present verifiable and documented facts. He is very careful and thorough in what he presents.

    Sure - he obviously favors one side - but you can't look at what he says and say: it's not true.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    stealing is more fun than lying.......
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • edgarcampedgarcamp Posts: 100
    NakedClown wrote:
    What he does different than guys like Rush and Bill O'Reilly is present verifiable and documented facts. He is very careful and thorough in what he presents.

    Sure - he obviously favors one side - but you can't look at what he says and say: it's not true.


    Anybody that comes into this forum can do what these hacks do. That is why they get nomore then a cult-like following of similar minded people.
    The facts are all in what you have already programmed yourself to believe. 25% on the left and 25% on the right have their minds made up no matter what anybody tells them, they are not going to change. Those groups, on either side, are the audience for O'Reilly, Rush, Olbermann, Air America, etc... Those groups of people who have gone so far in one direction or the other need verification of their feelings, and they find it with these radio/tv personalities. It's not like we don't already know what they are going to say. I can't stand to listen to any of them, or anyone that is so left/right they can't deal with reality.
  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    edgarcamp wrote:
    Anybody that comes into this forum can do what these hacks do. That is why they get nomore then a cult-like following of similar minded people.
    The facts are all in what you have already programmed yourself to believe. 25% on the left and 25% on the right have their minds made up no matter what anybody tells them, they are not going to change. Those groups, on either side, are the audience for O'Reilly, Rush, Olbermann, Air America, etc... Those groups of people who have gone so far in one direction or the other need verification of their feelings, and they find it with these radio/tv personalities. It's not like we don't already know what they are going to say. I can't stand to listen to any of them, or anyone that is so left/right they can't deal with reality.

    You obviously haven't watched any of his segments all the way through?

    Watch the segment where he picks apart what the Bush administration knew prior to 9/11 - every single claim is made and then backed up by one (if not more) concrete sources (whether it be video, official documents, etc...)

    There is not one bit of conjecture or skewed truth based on party affiliation. It is all documented and proved.

    This most recent segment involves a little more "editorial" than others, but it is still factually accurate as can be proven by information that is publically known and documented.

    Stop trying to lump Olbermann in with the Rush's, O'Reilly's, etc. - he seems to be doing a really good job of actually putting in some journalistic effort into his reports, which the other guys you mention do not.

    EDIT - CHALLENGE: Watch either one of these Olbermann videos and point out to me - the apparent uninformed and naive - the factual errors. Do it.
  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    DPrival78 wrote:
    its great.. he actually comes out and calls them what they are.. liars. no beating around the bush.. no sugar coating.. no more "faulty intelligence" or any of that bullshit.. its lies. all lies.

    go keith
    Word.

    And he's on CNN so people might take him seriously unlike his peers Mr. Stewart and Colbert. When they say something like Keith just did people say "oh wow good point" but no one really cares because they're on comedy shows.
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  • edgarcampedgarcamp Posts: 100
    I never said he made anything up. He doesn't bring anything new to the table. All he is doing is reporting what we already know. There is nothing special about that. If you happen to be a Bush basher, then sure, he reinforces your beliefs and that makes you feel good. Fine, but what does it really do? Nothing. I don't disagree with him, but he is not telling me anything new. The fact that he calls Bush a liar, well who doesn't know that?
    One thing people forget about politics is, well, it's politics and it's ugly and people lie. It is not just the right or the left, there are liars on both sides. When someone gets elected, there number one job is to get re-elected, period. Mark Foley is the latest issue and Republicans knew what was going on, but do you think that no Democrats knew? Certainly someone did, it apparently wasn't a very well kept secret. Republicans and Democrats are the same creature with a few idiological differences. They serve and volley, but what really changes?
    As for your challenge Naked Clown, you have obviously taken this personally. I'll say it again, I never said he was making things up or he didn't have his facts straight. My only point has been that he is reporting what we have heard a thousand times, what is the big deal about that?
  • jlbw78jlbw78 Posts: 12
    Alone Together wrote:
    Keith Olbermann on the difference between terrorists and critics:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15147009/
    I love Countdown. It just feels right, when I'm watching. It's like ,"Yeah! Tell it."
    No-holds-barr, commentary. I listen to Rush in the morning and Keith at night. Between the two, I get the picture.
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    edgarcamp wrote:
    The fact that he calls Bush a liar, well who doesn't know that?

    Unfortunately, I think there are quite a few people who don't know that, or who refuse to believe it.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    JaneNY wrote:
    Unfortunately, I think there are quite a few people who don't know that, or who refuse to believe it.

    Agreed.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • pejamrlpejamrl Posts: 35
    edgarcamp's argument doesn't seem to add up in my mind.
    What about Olbermann's editorials makes him left leaning?
    Just because, the fact that it contradicts everything that is coming from the White House which represents the right doesn't make it left. Especially ,if your not arguing the accuracy of his editorials.
    What about telling the truth attaches you to a specific ideology?
    Whether YOU know it or not is not the issue. It's whether or not other people know the truth.
    A recent Zogby poll came out putting President Bush's approval rating at 33%. If they know the truth like you claim. Wouldn't that sort of make 33% of americans polled have some sort of psychosis?
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  • NakedClownNakedClown Posts: 545
    JaneNY wrote:
    Unfortunately, I think there are quite a few people who don't know that, or who refuse to believe it.

    This, I guess, is the larger picture...

    I didn't take it personally EdgarCamp, I just feel it's important for someone to show all of the people who blindly follow leadership that there are serious issues to contend with.

    Within days after the Bush Administration united and said "we don't know what Bill Clinton is talking about" Olbermann documented for the world that:

    They are liars.

    Unfortunately - as Jane has said - there are many people in this country who either don't know this or refuse to believe it.

    It's important that people do this.

    It isn't about reinforcing beliefs

    It's about educating on facts.
  • brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    i like Keith


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