Lets compare..Obama vs. Nader on Job Creation
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Nader
Nader wrote:Create More Jobs by Investing in America's Future
Since January 2001, 2.7 million jobs have been lost and more than 75% of those jobs have been high wage, high productivity manufacturing jobs. Overall 5.6% of Americans are unemployed while 10.5% of African Americans are unemployed. Unemployment among Latinos is nearly 30 per cent higher than January 20, 2001. By requiring equitable trade, investing in urgently needed local labor-intensive public works (infrastructure improvements), creating a new renewable energy efficiency policy; by fully funding education and redirecting large bureaucratic and fraudulent health expenditures toward preventive health care we can reverse this trend and create millions of new jobs.
Obama
Obama wrote:Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
* Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
* Double Funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership: The Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) works with manufacturers across the country to improve efficiency, implement new technology and strengthen company growth. This highly-successful program has engaged in more than 350,000 projects across the country and in 2006 alone, helped create and protect over 50,000 jobs. But despite this success, funding for MEP has been slashed by the Bush administration. Barack Obama will double funding for the MEP so its training centers can continue to bolster the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers.
* Invest In A Clean Energy Economy And Create 5 Million New Green Jobs: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
* Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
* Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
New Jobs Through National Infrastructure Investment
Barack Obama believes that it is critically important for the United States to rebuild its national transportation infrastructure – its highways, bridges, roads, ports, air, and train systems – to strengthen user safety, bolster our long-term competitiveness and ensure our economy continues to grow.
* Create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank: Barack Obama will address the infrastructure challenge by creating a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to expand and enhance, not supplant, existing federal transportation investments. This independent entity will be directed to invest in our nation’s most challenging transportation infrastructure needs. The Bank will receive an infusion of federal money, $60 billion over 10 years, to provide financing to transportation infrastructure projects across the nation. These projects will create up to two million new direct and indirect jobs per year and stimulate approximately $35 billion per year in new economic activity.
Technology, Innovation and Creating Jobs
Barack Obama will increase federal support for research, technology and innovation for companies and universities so that American families can lead the world in creating new advanced jobs and products.
* Invest in the Sciences: Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology. This will foster home-grown innovation, help ensure the competitiveness of US technology-based businesses, and ensure that 21st century jobs can and will grow in America.
* Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
* Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Barack Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
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It seems like Obama seems pretty left on this issue but I'm sure I'm just a sheep for believing that.
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Waiting for Roland to post some obscure website about something unrealed to thread topic...
No..you are a tool for believing that Obama will actually do it.
Really???
What kind of tool?
I think of myself as sort of a hammer but my girlfriend likens me to a screwdriver...
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yep, you sure are!
me, too.
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"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
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come on now, I'm sure you've got something to say...
back to debates about the color green---->
People like Nader are very important to the overall discussion however. Because they cannot win overall, they are free to go out on th elimb so to speak on issues. And while they may go to far, or onto the entirely wrong limb at all, it allows for discussion to occur.
Hell, even the robot Al Gore is very important. It doesn't matter if he's gone way too far (well, it should matter to him because he becomes less effective), but it certainly creates discussion and as a whole we end up moving in the right direction...but not so far that we tip over.
However, these people...Nader...Al Gore...etc...I believe cannot be effective presidents due to there extreme view points...and they shouldn't be. A president should be abel to make decisions that benefit the country as a whole and he/she has to represent the entire countries interests. Not to say that there aren't any issues where the president should make the decision based solely on his/her beliefs of what is right, regardless of public opinion (Gay rights comes to mind for me), but on the whole, they have to be able to see both sides of every argument and determine th eright course of action...and, most importantly, be able to gain the trust of others in order to make sure we follow that plan.
Now, I'm just rambling. How the hell is it that I'm the one defending Obama and Nader in different threads?
2. that's a lot of money he is proposing to spend on various programs which may or may not work - where is he gonna get that money?
i do find all these threads interesting tho ... as much as Nader is "never" going to be president is a reality to many - my reality says that the single biggest problem facing americans is the corporatocracy that controls domestic and foreign policy ... and my reality says obama nor mccain are capable of changing that ... they just report to different corporations ...
Obama is a Zionist Jew is my guess
If the Obama naysayers would visit the website chances are they would learn something... But I realize it's much much more fun to visit the countless crass websites and blogs that support their own beliefs.
DING DING, tell him what he has won Jim
as is protocol to support obama - ignore opposing thoughts and pray that he will be the first politician to actually keep his promises ...
In fact, many of you guys simply ignore our questions and points. (lookin your way my2hands).
really....?
so, how does Obama's plan compare to Nader's, in your opinion...?
i'm only going by the things i've posted ... i asked where obama was gonna get the money from his program and that biofuels is NOT green - no response except posters pretty much patting each other on the back for making redundant posts ...
Couldn't this be true of any Presidential Candidate that someone supports. We don't know what will happen in the future but Anti-Obama people love to assume he's lying about everyone of his issues just because they disagree with him on Foreign Policy.
I could turn this around and ask Nader and McCain supporters how do YOU know that they will keep there promises????
The answer is there is no way to know unless you're Doc Brown.
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oh, I see your point...
I'm pretty sure he'd get the money via the taxpayer...perhaps the windfall profit tax he's be talking about...I suppose one could ask the same question (where's the money going to come from?) of any candidate...which doesn't discount the validity of your query...
as for biofuels not being "green", if I read things correctly, there are a various schools of thought on this issue, and he is looking to invest in the "next generation" of biofuels...
Good luck this year supporting the War Party! Alot good they did by controlling congress and an even better approval rating.
Last I checked Bush's approval rating is higher than the Democratic congress.
bring it on... what area of policy and ideas would you like to talk about? his 75 page booklet on his policies and agenda is clearly found on his website for dl and printing... which i have done and read months ago
i think you fail to see the point, why discuss things on the internet with people that will not change their mind? it seems like a waste of time. why am i going to waste time debating policy poisitions with you when it is pointless?
what bait...?
those who support Nader often state his policies and ideas are better...I'm trying to openly compare a valid issue...
I see you have the same to offer as other nader supporters....a whole lot of nothing...
The answer is simple. Obama is the nominee for one of the two major parties, he's popular and has a chance of winning. Therefore, he's a dirty liar.
Nader on the other hand is a rebel. No chance of winning. Only about 35 people nationwide vocally support him so he's still cool. So obviously, he's the only one to be trusted.
That's the answer to your question. Its nonsense of course, but thats the answer.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5719870&postcount=49
that is, if inmytree will let us discuss these here, since it is his thread. otherwise, feel free to answer the questions in that thread.
the real answer is based on their past actions. Nader has a history of standing up for people, and has done a lot of good in the past... you guys can't even argue that...
On the other hand, Obama's past reflects him poorly... specifically on things like supporting the PATRIOT ACT, FISA, etc...
how about you phrase the questions a little better right here?
start with 1, the biggest one you want to discuss.
Obama has no history of standing up for people? News to me. Thanks for enlightening me. :rolleyes:
As far as Nader's history, how old is Nader? Something like 107? i would hope in that amount of time he has established some history. He's had plenty of time to do that.
Obama is a Senator. If he can't accomplish much, but rather votes for shit like the PATRIOT ACT, then sorry but his past REFLECTS HIM POORLY.