China Facing Major Gender Imbalance

VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
this article is so sad. it seems they're most concerned because these men wont have wives and that there will be 'social problems', like what--men will be eating too many frozen dinners, doing their laundry? you'd think maybe the more important concern would be the denigration of the female gender in their society and the illegal abortions that occur because of that.

China facing major gender imbalance

Country will soon have millions more men than women of marriageable age

The Associated Press
Updated: 10:37 a.m. ET Jan 12, 2007

BEIJING - China will have 30 million more men of marriageable age than women in less than 15 years as a gender imbalance resulting from the country’s tough one-child policy becomes more pronounced, state media reported Friday.

The tens of millions of men who will not be able to find a wife could also lead to social instability problems, the China Daily said in a front-page report.

China imposed strict population controls in the 1970s to limit growth of its huge population, but one side effect has been a jump in gender selection of babies. Traditional preferences for a son mean some women abort their baby if an early term sonogram shows it is a girl.

“Discrimination against the female sex remains the primary cause of China’s growing gender imbalance,” Liu Bohong, vice director of the women studies institute under the All-China Women’s Federation, was quoted as saying in a report from the State Population and Family Planning Commission.

Sex selective abortion is prohibited but the government says the practice remains widespread, especially in rural areas.

Anticipating social problems
The report, carried in the newspaper, said China’s sex ratio for newborn babies in 2005 was 118 boys to 100 girls, a huge jump from 110 to 100 in 2000.

In some regions such as the southern provinces of Guangdong and Hainan, the ratio has ballooned to 130 boys to 100 girls, the newspaper said. The average for industrialized countries is between 104 and 107 boys for every 100 girls.

The report predicted that by 2020 the imbalance would mean men of marriageable age — especially those with low income or little education — would find it difficult to find wives, resulting in possible social problems.

The problem is not just a rural issue, with the newborn gender imbalance also widening in cities. In the first 11 months of 2006, there were 109 boys born in Beijing for every 100 girls.

China Daily said one way to solve the problem would be to create a proper social security system so rural couples would not feel they needed a son to depend on when they get old.

Up to 800 million of China’s 1.3 billion people live in the countryside.

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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    i would think that social problems may be construed as not having enough in the next generation to help care for the previous generation and the population problems that may arise b/c of that. They could have a potentially huge population drop b/c they need both men and women to sustain the population. But i'm sure it's actually talking about men having to do their own laundry and eating microwave dinners.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    chopitdown wrote:
    i would think that social problems may be construed as not having enough in the next generation to help care for the previous generation and the population problems that may arise b/c of that. They could have a potentially huge population drop b/c they need both men and women to sustain the population. But i'm sure it's actually talking about men having to do their own laundry and eating microwave dinners.

    the reason for the one-child policy is to control the population. don't you think if they were worried about not having enough future babies that they would not have instituted the policy? of course they're going to have a population drop--that's why they did this. it's not like there aren't any females left. there will be future generations, just smaller by design.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    VictoryGin wrote:
    the reason for the one-child policy is to control the population. don't you think if they were worried about not having enough future babies that they would not have instituted the policy? of course they're going to have a population drop--that's why they did this. it's not like there aren't any females left. there will be future generations, just smaller by design.

    yes, but there will be a very rough transition period for this generation...my guess is you'll have a lot of emigration from China as well b/c those millions of men MAY want to get married...I think that policy is one sounded good on paper but the effects may be more severe than first thought. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
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  • chopitdown wrote:
    I think that policy is one sounded good on paper

    :eek:

    Are you talking about the one-child policy?????
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,575
    yeah it might be a problem in the near future were they might not be enough women for all the single men that is also a problem INDIA is facing now especially in the small provinces ........
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    :eek:

    Are you talking about the one-child policy?????

    to control for population. maybe good was quite a reach...I'm more of a fan of abrupt change, to me gradual change doesn't work so well if you want real improvement you need to make a sudden change; however, this is a situation where it will backfire greatly.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    chopitdown wrote:
    yes, but there will be a very rough transition period for this generation...my guess is you'll have a lot of emigration from China as well b/c those millions of men MAY want to get married...I think that policy is one sounded good on paper but the effects may be more severe than first thought. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

    i guess i just don't understand how in the world they didn't see this coming.
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    i guess i just don't understand how in the world they didn't see this coming.


    It seems pretty obvious to some people who can look ahead in the future to realise that discarding your first five kids because they were female to finally get the prized male may lead to a problem when the whole population of China is doing it. But who am I to try and look to the future.

    If I lived in China and had a daughter or even two or three. Man would some chump and his family be paying a heavy price to get her hand in marriage. Actually, just to look at her. What is the bidding starting at?? ;)

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    even flow? wrote:

    Men who can't cook, or do the laundry or dishes. They still exist?

    In mexico maybe. ;)

    I know of a few people that live in Mexico...they hire a maid for $40/week that washes their cars, does the laundry, prepares some meals..etc.

    Also, a guy that lives here in Iowa but is from Mexico...when his wife (who doesn't work) goes back to Mexico while leaving him here...she usually prepares meals for him in the freezer. HAHAHAHA!!! That made me laugh. If I asked my wife to do that for me the only meal she'd prepare for me would be a knuckle Sammich. ;)
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  • VictoryGin wrote:
    this article is so sad. it seems they're most concerned because these men wont have wives and that there will be 'social problems', like what--men will be eating too many frozen dinners, doing their laundry? you'd think maybe the more important concern would be the denigration of the female gender in their society and the illegal abortions that occur because of that.

    Essentially, American women are fooled into thinking that they must abort their children. Statistically, there is no difference between us and China.

    Here are some abortion statistics:

    In 2002, 24.3% of all pregnancies in America ended in abortion.

    In 2001, 27.1% of all pregnancies in China ended in abortion.

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp333pd.html

    So, to say that China is so terrible because they're "not letting their women have 'reproductive rights'" is silly. It's all about the outcome, folks. We're aborting just as many of our babies as China is, whether our women "choose" to or not doesn't matter. Our government has a vested interest in aborting all of those hungry mouths. So does China's government.

    What's the effing difference except for this babble about "women having control over their own bodies?"
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    If I asked my wife to do that for me the only meal she'd prepare for me would be a knuckle Sammich. ;)


    I remember you saying she has the pouring of the beer down pat though. :D
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Essentially, American women are fooled into thinking that they must abort their children. Statistically, there is no difference between us and China.

    Here are some abortion statistics:

    In 2002, 24.3% of all pregnancies in America ended in abortion.

    In 2001, 27.1% of all pregnancies in China ended in abortion.

    http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp333pd.html

    So, to say that China is so terrible because they're "not letting their women have 'reproductive rights'" is silly. It's all about the outcome, folks. We're aborting just as many of our babies as China is, whether our women "choose" to or not doesn't matter. Our government has a vested interest in aborting all of those hungry mouths. So does China's government.

    What's the effing difference except for this babble about "women having control over their own bodies?"

    How about the stats on the difference in countries from a casual abortion to the fact that I didn't get the desired sex, so I am trying again. I didn't know the States tried to put a quota on how many children you can have. Thus putting pressure on the seeds to create the perfect little beast. Just an oberservation.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    VictoryGin wrote:
    you'd think maybe the more important concern would be the denigration of the female gender in their society and the illegal abortions that occur because of that.
    Who are you to decide the morals of a personal decision leading to an abortion decision? What are your acceptable reasons and unacceptable reasons for getting an abortion? People choose abortions all the time due to potential health risks the child may face. Fundamentally how is this any different from aborting a child based on sex?

    The legality or illegality of the abortion is really immaterial to this arguement.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    even flow? wrote:
    I remember you saying she has the pouring of the beer down pat though. :D


    She has to give me somethin to keep her around. ;)

    Anyhow, this is not surprising at all...perhaps it will lead to a shift in attitude towards women...probably not though, just more gay bars popping up. ;)
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  • even flow? wrote:
    How about the stats on the difference in countries from a casual abortion to the fact that I didn't get the desired sex, so I am trying again. I didn't know the States tried to put a quota on how many children you can have. Thus putting pressure on the seeds to create the perfect little beast. Just an oberservation.

    Those are stats on "legal abortions." That includes "casual abortions" in the states and "sex choice" in China.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    frozen dinners?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,447
    polaris wrote:
    frozen dinners?

    Is this directed at my post?

    Yep, prepare meals and put them in the fridge or freezer so they only need to be heated up. Even guys know how to use the microwave. ;)
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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066


    What is with Texas having their own stat?
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  • even flow? wrote:
    What is with Texas having their own stat?

    Don't mess with Texas.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Is this directed at my post?

    Yep, prepare meals and put them in the fridge or freezer so they only need to be heated up. Even guys know how to use the microwave. ;)

    not really ... i didn't know people ate frozen dinners anymore ...
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
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    and I cook and do all my own chores, I just don't Iron anything if I don't have to. They'll learn.

    Rice is ridiculously easy to cook anyway and now they have rice cookers. For that matter so is stir fry. a little water a dab of oil veggies, chicken or fish if ya like wala. it's not brain science.
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  • 1970RR1970RR Posts: 281
    Maybe they are concerned about the potential for increased sex crimes and prostitution due to the imbalance of men/women.
  • This is what happens when you are aborting all your babies.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    surferdude wrote:
    Who are you to decide the morals of a personal decision leading to an abortion decision? What are your acceptable reasons and unacceptable reasons for getting an abortion? People choose abortions all the time due to potential health risks the child may face. Fundamentally how is this any different from aborting a child based on sex?

    The legality or illegality of the abortion is really immaterial to this arguement.

    um, nowhere did i mention that it is immoral on the part of a woman to have an abortion.

    for me, the legality of an abortion is important because there are more health risks for a woman during an illegal abortion. they're not usually as safe, but hey, this article isn't concerned about the woman's health and that was my point.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    So, to say that China is so terrible because they're "not letting their women have 'reproductive rights'" is silly.

    i don't know who said that.

    personally what i find 'silly' is that their society doesn't value females and they have a one-child policy which ends in baby girls being killed after birth, put up for adoption outside of their country, and women being put at risk for dangerous illegal abortions.

    and to top it off they apparently didn't see this coming and complain that not enough men will have wives, which is apparently the only value of a woman in their society going by this article.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    VictoryGin wrote:
    um, nowhere did i mention that it is immoral on the part of a woman to have an abortion.

    for me, the legality of an abortion is important because there are more health risks for a woman during an illegal abortion. they're not usually as safe, but hey, this article isn't concerned about the woman's health and that was my point.
    Sorry if I seemed to be jumping all over you. I know I got my wording to be aggressive but thought it would be worse to do a total edit.

    Concern for the mother's health is a greta reason to be concerned for the legality of abortion. Any concern about the reason for abortions seems out of line. Every abortion is a morally acceptable and good abortion. Right?
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  • VictoryGin wrote:
    i don't know who said that.

    personally what i find 'silly' is that their society doesn't value females and they have a one-child policy which ends in baby girls being killed after birth, put up for adoption outside of their country, and women being put at risk for dangerous illegal abortions.

    and to top it off they apparently didn't see this coming and complain that not enough men will have wives, which is apparently the only value of a woman in their society going by this article.

    Isn't it sad that somehow they manage to abort so many baby girls and yet their abortion rate is nearly the same as ours?
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    In mexico maybe. ;)

    I know of a few people that live in Mexico...they hire a maid for $40/week that washes their cars, does the laundry, prepares some meals..etc.

    Also, a guy that lives here in Iowa but is from Mexico...when his wife (who doesn't work) goes back to Mexico while leaving him here...she usually prepares meals for him in the freezer. HAHAHAHA!!! That made me laugh. If I asked my wife to do that for me the only meal she'd prepare for me would be a knuckle Sammich. ;)

    'here in iowa'?! are you undercover as a hawkeye?

    i think i like your wife :).
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    surferdude wrote:
    Sorry if I seemed to be jumping all over you. I know I got my wording to be aggressive but thought it would be worse to do a total edit.

    Concern for the mother's health is a greta reason to be concerned for the legality of abortion. Any concern about the reason for abortions seems out of line. Every abortion is a morally acceptable and good abortion. Right?

    i think i know what you're getting at but not totally sure. i don't think one can apply/completely compare the abortion situation in north america to china. i think it's important to realize the differences in culture and acknowledge that it's a problem that their entire culture--a big one at that--devalues women so much that this is what happens. in this situation i'm not completely focused on the abortion aspect. it seems like perhaps they should revisit this one-child policy and perhaps safe contraception, and i personally wouldn't mind if they started not treating women as only valuable as wives. i think there are so many issues here and just to focus on abortion will never help.
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  • VictoryGin wrote:
    i think i know what you're getting at but not totally sure. i don't think one can apply/completely compare the abortion situation in north america to china. i think it's important to realize the differences in culture and acknowledge that it's a problem that their entire culture--a big one at that--devalues women so much that this is what happens. in this situation i'm not completely focused on the abortion aspect. it seems like perhaps they should revisit this one-child policy and perhaps safe contraception, and i personally wouldn't mind if they started not treating women as only valuable as wives. i think there are so many issues here and just to focus on abortion will never help.

    Of course you don't want to compare American and Chinese abortion. Why? They're done for the same exact reason: curbing poverty.

    As Mother Teresa said, "It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."
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