Now Can We Stop Funding Abstinence-Only Ed?

VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
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Once again, we can lower abortion rates by promoting birth control. When are we going to stop with this stupid abstinence-only nonsense?

Birth control credited with drop in teen pregnancy Thu Nov 30, 8:33 PM ET

The dramatic declines in teenage pregnancy rates noted in the United States between 1995 and 2002 were largely due to improved contraceptive use, not to abstinence, a new study shows.

"The current emphasis of U.S. domestic and global policies, which stress abstinence-only sex education to the exclusion of accurate information on contraception, is misguided," warn doctors in a report just released online by the American Journal of Public Health.

Dr. John S. Santelli from Columbia University, New York, and colleagues examined the relative contribution of declining sexual activity and improved contraceptive use to the recent decline in pregnancy rates among U.S. women between the ages of 15 to 19 years. The data were derived from interviews with nearly 1400 women in 1995 and 1150 in 2002.

The investigators estimate that the likelihood of pregnancy in this age group declined 34 percent between 1995 and 2002, and that 86 percent of the decline in pregnancy risk was attributable to improved use of contraception. Reduced sexual activity explained only 14 percent of the decline in teen pregnancy.

Among younger teens 15 to 17 years old, increased contraceptive use was responsible for 77 percent of the pregnancy risk decline while decreased sexual activity was responsible for 23 percent of the decline.

Among 18 to 19-year-olds, the decline in pregnancy risk was entirely due to improved contraceptive use, which includes increases in the use of birth control pills, condoms, or both.

"These data suggest that the U.S. appears to be following patterns seen in other developed countries where increased availability and increased use of modern contraceptives have been primarily responsible for declines in teenage pregnancy rates," Santelli and colleagues write.

"Our findings," they conclude, "raise questions about current U.S. government policies that promote abstinence from sexual activity as the primary strategy to prevent adolescent pregnancy."

SOURCE: American Journal of Public Health, January 2007.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I agree, abstinence is the best solution, but not the only one. People will stray from abstinence as their biological beings oblige them to. What we can do as mere observers is provide information pertinent to the act of reproduction, such as birth-control and abstinence.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I agree, abstinence is the best solution, but not the only one. People will stray from abstinence as their biological beings oblige them to. What we can do as mere observers is provide information pertinent to the act of reproduction, such as birth-control and abstinence.

    yes. in comprehensive sex education, abstinence is taught as the only 100% effective way to prevent pregnancy and disease, infection, etc. yet, accurate birth control information is also offered. this just bothers me so much. it is such an easy thing we can do to prevent unwanted pregnancy and disease.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    VictoryGin wrote:
    yes. in comprehensive sex education, abstinence is taught as the only 100% effective way to prevent pregnancy and disease, infection, etc. yet, accurate birth control information is also offered. this just bothers me so much. it is such an easy thing we can do to prevent unwanted pregnancy and disease.

    You can trace most of these kinds of things back to the church. I've had this conversation many times with the creationist dude I work with. He gets really upset and says only "Promescuity is a SIN!" that is the only rationale of a creationist from what I can perceive.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Among younger teens 15 to 17 years old, increased contraceptive use was responsible for 77 percent of the pregnancy risk decline while decreased sexual activity was responsible for 23 percent of the decline.

    Among 18 to 19-year-olds, the decline in pregnancy risk was entirely due to improved contraceptive use, which includes increases in the use of birth control pills, condoms, or both.

    unsurprising. that's the flaw of abstinence. it only works when you still believe you can get grounded for it and then only a little. but once people get to college, they're all goign to fuck like rabbits in heat and there's nothing you can do about it except tell them how not to get knocked up :)

    odds of this changing admin policy are slim though. an investigative panel appointed by the president found the same thing about 5-6 years ago. bush decided to cut funding to the oversight panel, disband it, and gave the money to abstinence programs instead. it must be wonderful to have such an uncanny ability to completely ignore reality!
  • seagoat2seagoat2 Posts: 241
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You can trace most of these kinds of things back to the church. I've had this conversation many times with the creationist dude I work with. He gets really upset and says only "Promescuity is a SIN!" that is the only rationale of a creationist from what I can perceive.

    What does he say to a teen girl whose only had sex once in her life & becomes pregnant? Does one encounter with her boyfriend make her promiscuous? Puhleeze!

    Abstinance is a great way to keep from getting pregnant & preventing disease, but it's not very practical......IMO, if teens are going to have sex (and eventually many will).....they have a right to know about anything that will help protect themselves against unwanted pregnancy & STD's. It's not just an unplanned pregnancy they're faced with if they don't use birth control, it's a threat to thier lives from contracting AIDS!!
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    unsurprising. that's the flaw of abstinence. it only works when you still believe you can get grounded for it and then only a little. but once people get to college, they're all goign to fuck like rabbits in heat and there's nothing you can do about it except tell them how not to get knocked up :)

    odds of this changing admin policy are slim though. an investigative panel appointed by the president found the same thing about 5-6 years ago. bush decided to cut funding to the oversight panel, disband it, and gave the money to abstinence programs instead. it must be wonderful to have such an uncanny ability to completely ignore reality!
    This administration must be doing something right if the rate of teen pregnancy keeps going down during Bush's tenure. People get so caught up in this issue it's funny. Here we have good news and people still laying blame on Bush.
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Once again, we can lower abortion rates by promoting birth control.
    Why should this be a goal? There are no moral qualms regarding abortion, so if this is the method a woman chooses as birth control for her body who are we to try to tell her there may be better ways. I don't like the connotation this attitude places on women who have had abortions, i.e. the attitude of it's okay you had an abortion but if you weren't so ignorant about birth control it wouldn't have been necessary.
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I think promoting abstinence is a good idea especially at the grammar school level.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    miller8966 wrote:
    I think promoting abstinence is a good idea especially at the grammar school level.

    really...?

    "ok 3rd grade class, we are going to learn that sex is bad, mmkay, keep your little winky to yourself, little fella's, and girls, keep those legs closed...cause sex is bad, mmmkay..."
  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    surferdude wrote:
    This administration must be doing something right if the rate of teen pregnancy keeps going down during Bush's tenure. People get so caught up in this issue it's funny. Here we have good news and people still laying blame on Bush.

    the bush administration is not helping with contraception.
    surferdude wrote:
    Why should this be a goal? There are no moral qualms regarding abortion, so if this is the method a woman chooses as birth control for her body who are we to try to tell her there may be better ways. I don't like the connotation this attitude places on women who have had abortions, i.e. the attitude of it's okay you had an abortion but if you weren't so ignorant about birth control it wouldn't have been necessary.

    we've already been through this. oh that's right, you never did come back with those stats, huh?
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    VictoryGin wrote:
    the bush administration is not helping with contraception.
    Well if Bush isn't then Clinton certainly didn't either. Because the figures are better than any time Clinton was in power. Maybe Bush's approach works because it puts the responsibility for education regarding birth control where it belongs, on the individual and the parents/guardians. It's amazing the effect treating people like responsible adults can have.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    surferdude wrote:
    Well if Bush isn't then Clinton certainly didn't either. Because the figures are better than any time Clinton was in power. Maybe Bush's approach works because it puts the responsibility for education regarding birth control where it belongs, on the individual and the parents/guardians. It's amazing the effect treating people like responsible adults can have.

    from the article:
    The dramatic declines in teenage pregnancy rates noted in the United States between 1995 and 2002 were largely due to improved contraceptive use, not to abstinence, a new study shows.

    so this was during clinton's time. and 2002, being only 2 years after clinton left, would include teens educated during clinton's time.

    edit: by the way, bush isn't putting the education in the parents' hands. he's funding abstinence-only education, where you guessed it, abstinence only is preached, and inaccurate and misleading information is often presented (not just according to me, but to a government panel that evaluated the program).
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    VictoryGin wrote:
    from the article:
    The dramatic declines in teenage pregnancy rates noted in the United States between 1995 and 2002 were largely due to improved contraceptive use, not to abstinence, a new study shows.

    so this was during clinton's time. and 2002, being only 2 years after clinton left, would include teens educated during clinton's time.

    edit: by the way, bush isn't putting the education in the parents' hands. he's funding abstinence-only education, where you guessed it, abstinence only is preached, and inaccurate and misleading information is often presented (not just according to me, but to a government panel that evaluated the program).

    im not sure, but im pretty sure surferdude just got owned. not to mention, it's funny that you point out that he never could find stats to rebuttal your original stance an he totally ignores that... again.
  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    if you are going to teach sex education then you need to teach it all. of course if you dont have sex then you wont get an STI but if you are going to ahve sex then do the right thing and use protection. i went to catholic school and they did not teach sex education at all except to say "DONT DO IT!" but my science teacher was cool, he said: "hey guys i cant tell you to use condoms becuase it is a catholic school... but dont be stupid, use one." what a dude.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    seagoat2 wrote:
    What does he say to a teen girl whose only had sex once in her life & becomes pregnant? Does one encounter with her boyfriend make her promiscuous? Puhleeze!

    Abstinance is a great way to keep from getting pregnant & preventing disease, but it's not very practical......IMO, if teens are going to have sex (and eventually many will).....they have a right to know about anything that will help protect themselves against unwanted pregnancy & STD's. It's not just an unplanned pregnancy they're faced with if they don't use birth control, it's a threat to thier lives from contracting AIDS!!

    Yea, the implications are far greater than a single premature pregnancy or contraction of AIDS. An unwanted pregnancy faces all kinds of moral struggles for a pregnant mother, many will continue to raise the child raising issues of proper child-rearing. If the baby was conceived in an environment not prepared to support the genesis of life, the baby could suffer a wide scale of physical or mental impairments. Even a mother's age can impact the growth of the child. Substance abuse and even stress can add to the prenatal environment. Many things that a mother consumes herself is capable of traversing the placenta, resulting in the babies consumption as well.

    Then there are the psychological implications of having a non-structured and non-supportive child-rearing environment. The list goes on, there are so many things to consider and adapt to that an unplanned pregnancy may not be attuned for. Both the mothers mental and physical maturation and so on.

    Most teens in North America learn about sex from their peers. The sexual education school systems some times provide are limited to abstinence only. Teens learn about condoms and other contraceptive from their peers. Few learn from their parents. This is dangerous, because inexperienced, uneducated people are fooling around with the creation of life and all the implications that go with it.

    Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm going to bed :)
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    miller8966 wrote:
    I think promoting abstinence is a good idea especially at the grammar school level.

    I agree with this 100%. Promoting abstinance IS a good idea. It should be a major piller of any sex-ed.

    It's a key part of the solution. Just not the only part. And imo, teaching about protection and birth control does not contradict the promotion of abstinance.
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  • You Pro-life? Good. Promote birth control AS WELL as abstinence. If you aren't willing to do that, you aren't willing to have the abortion rates go even lower.

    I don't know why everyone thinks that being pro-choice means you WANT abortions. Everyone wants less abortions.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    I don't know why everyone thinks that being pro-choice means you WANT abortions. Everyone wants less abortions.
    Why do you care if abortion rates go lower unless you have an issue with abortions?
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  • surferdude wrote:
    Why do you care if abortion rates go lower unless you have an issue with abortions?


    Because for me, less abortions means less unwanted babies.

    Hopefully this will equal out to people having more pregnancies that are planned, which enables a child to grow up and develop in a healthy household rather than one where the parent is not able to efficiently take care of the child because of unpreparedness.


    It would be nice if every time someone got pregnant, they were happy and ready for it to happen.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    surferdude wrote:
    Why do you care if abortion rates go lower unless you have an issue with abortions?

    becos it's a relatively serious relative medical procedure. come on, that's like saying, "why eat healthy when you can just have a quadruple bypass if you need it?"
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Promoting abstinence only doesn't sound like sex ed at all, it sounds like anti-sex ed.
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  • VictoryGin wrote:
    Birth control credited with drop in teen pregnancy Thu Nov 30, 8:33 PM ET

    The dramatic declines in teenage pregnancy rates noted in the United States between 1995 and 2002 were largely due to improved contraceptive use, not to abstinence, a new study shows.

    "These data suggest that the U.S. appears to be following patterns seen in other developed countries where increased availability and increased use of modern contraceptives have been primarily responsible for declines in teenage pregnancy rates," Santelli and colleagues write.

    "Our findings," they conclude, "raise questions about current U.S. government policies that promote abstinence from sexual activity as the primary strategy to prevent adolescent pregnancy."

    SOURCE: American Journal of Public Health, January 2007.


    Oh, you. With your "facts" and "documented data gathered from studies'. That's not what wins an arguement. You gotta ask the same irrelevant question over and over, no matter how many times it gets answered, don't you know that?
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  • darkcrow wrote:
    if you are going to teach sex education then you need to teach it all. of course if you dont have sex then you wont get an STI but if you are going to ahve sex then do the right thing and use protection. i went to catholic school and they did not teach sex education at all except to say "DONT DO IT!" but my science teacher was cool, he said: "hey guys i cant tell you to use condoms becuase it is a catholic school... but dont be stupid, use one." what a dude.

    That guy is awesome!
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Oh, you. With your "facts" and "documented data gathered from studies'. That's not what wins an arguement. You gotta ask the same irrelevant question over and over, no matter how many times it gets answered, don't you know that?

    That seems to be the nature of society. Facts don't mean shit, verbal diarrhea wins every time.
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  • surferdude wrote:
    Why do you care if abortion rates go lower unless you have an issue with abortions?



    rather simplistic eh?
    i am pro-choice....but this does not mean i don't care about abortion numbers, and caring does not mean i have issues with em either. it simply means i care about women's health, and if abortions can be avoided, it's in their best interest. i think most, if not all, who are pro-choice would love pregnancy prevention to come first and foremost...and abortions a viable, safe option if that rare accidental pregnancy occurs. it IS an invasive procedure, so whether one supports the rights of access to such does not mean we wouldn't like to see less of them occur.

    darkcrow wrote:
    if you are going to teach sex education then you need to teach it all. of course if you dont have sex then you wont get an STI but if you are going to ahve sex then do the right thing and use protection. i went to catholic school and they did not teach sex education at all except to say "DONT DO IT!" but my science teacher was cool, he said: "hey guys i cant tell you to use condoms becuase it is a catholic school... but dont be stupid, use one." what a dude.


    agreed. comprehensive sex education is paramount....ALL forms of birth control should be discussed in depth, and yes, that does include abstinence, but not exclusively.

    funny, i went to catholic school as well, and i imagine i am a good deal older than you...and yes, we DID have comprehensive sex education. we were taught about ALL forms of BC...and then yes, we were taught that the church does not condone the use of BC, and how a 'good catholic' should go about family planning.


    anyhoo....VG...whaddya think? abstinence-only sex ed didn't make sense in the first place, so why do you think they'd stop pushing for it now? :rolleyes:
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