Bush plan defines pill, IUD as abortion

VictoryGin

jeffbr wrote:

Bingo. Except I'd expand that to include males as well. And I'd expand that beyond reproductive rights.

It is time we stop electing people and parties who continue to erode our liberties as Bush has been doing, and Obama and McCain plan to continue doing.

you better be joking. there is no way in hell this shit would be happening under obama. he is a very strong supporter of women's health and reproductive rights. it is fucking ridiculous for you to say that. mccain on the other hand is quite dangerous in regards to women's health. and by spreading that fucking nonsense, you just might be able to see that for yourself. but what the fuck do you care? you're not a woman.

jeffbr

VictoryGin wrote:

you better be joking. there is no way in hell this shit would be happening under obama. he is a very strong supporter of women's health and reproductive rights. it is fucking ridiculous for you to say that. mccain on the other hand is quite dangerous in regards to women's health. and by spreading that fucking nonsense, you just might be able to see that for yourself. but what the fuck do you care? you're not a woman.

I'm concerned with all liberties and freedoms for all people. My concern includes your narrow concern for reproductive rights for women, as well as other issues. While Obama will certainly be better for your narrow issue than McCain, neither will be working for liberty in general. Both have plans for further government involvement in many aspects of our lives.

If you've paid attention, I am absolutely in favor of a woman owning her reproductive rights and choices. But apparently your undying love of Obama may have clouded your ability to respond rationally to anyone who doesn't express that same love.

VictoryGin

decides2dream wrote:

i knew this thread would dredge you out of lurking.......


it IS disgusting that this can, and IS, being done!

i looked up in the sky and saw the contraceptive pill pack light and therefore sprang into action.

VictoryGin

jeffbr wrote:

I'm concerned with all liberties and freedoms for all people. My concern includes your narrow concern for reproductive rights for women, as well as other issues. While Obama will certainly be better for your narrow issue than McCain, neither will be working for liberty in general. Both have plans for further government involvement in many aspects of our lives.

If you've paid attention, I am absolutely in favor of a woman owning her reproductive rights and choices. But apparently your undying love of Obama may have clouded your ability to respond rationally to anyone who doesn't express that same love.

yeah i'm "concerned" for everyone too. but i can't wave my magic wand and suddenly fix every issue. so i have a focus. i think that's pretty rational. you know why? because i'm actually working to realistically change things. so you can be concerned all you want until you put your money where your mouth is.

slightofjeff

I don't care what any of those links say. There will never be a time in this country -- never, ever, ever -- when a simple birth control pill is outlawed.

This the liberal, fear-mongering equivalent of the a right-winger saying the Democrats want to kill babies. It's absurd.

decides2dream

VictoryGin wrote:

i looked up in the sky and saw the contraceptive pill pack light and therefore sprang into action.

thank you for that, seriously...i needed a good laugh.
ha, you already have a superhero name, done! just don't argue with rhino about your superpowers.


does anyone honestly know HOW this can be done? anyone? i don't get it. :( makes no sense to me and it makes the whole 'system of checks and balances' seem like an utter joke, a true falsehood. altho i guess the whole war issue and others should've already made me realize that it's BS. :mad: he is trying to create as much utter destruction of this country before he leaves office as he can. shameful does not even begin to touch upon it.



btw - slight....it is not being outlawed, but reclassified...which will then cut off funding and acess to countless women. so no liberal fear-mongering.

baraka

decides2dream wrote:

does anyone honestly know HOW this can be done? anyone? i don't get it. :( makes no sense to me and it makes the whole 'system of checks and balances' seem like an utter joke, a true falsehood. altho i guess the whole war issue and others should've already made me realize that it's BS. :mad:he is trying to create as much utter distruction of this country before he leaves office as he can. shameful does not even begin to touch upon it.

I was thinking the same thing d2d. What sort of power or authority does an ‘administration memo’ have?

VictoryGin

decides2dream wrote:

thank you for that, seriously...i needed a good laugh.
ha, you already have a superhero name, done! just don't argue with rhino about your superpowers.


does anyone honestly know HOW this can be done? anyone? i don't get it. :( makes no sense to me and it makes the whole 'system of checks and balances' seem like an utter joke, a true falsehood. altho i guess the whole war issue and others should've already made me realize that it's BS. :mad: he is trying to create as much utter destruction of this country before he leaves office as he can. shameful does not even begin to touch upon it.



btw - slight....it is not being outlawed, but reclassified...which will then cut off funding and acess to countless women. so no liberal fear-mongering.

ha! i don't need to argue about my superpowers when i can just show them instead.

i think your answer can be found here:
"The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services quietly drafted a rule that would put into federal code this radical definition of abortion."

later it stated that these rules aren't subjected to a vote by Congress. so these rules can be drafted willy-nilly, yay. but if people do put pressure on their senators and representatives, then maybe they can put pressure on the agency and administration.

callen

NMyTree wrote:

Yeah.

Talk about crooked, manipulative legislation which is the equivelent of extortion. Did you read how this will strongarm/bully health care professionals and the whole medical/health profession, in general?

Fuckin' Bush and his lunatic religious extremists!!!!

McCain's courting same looneys....

decides2dream

VictoryGin wrote:

ha! i don't need to argue about my superpowers when i can just show them instead.

i think your answer can be found here:
"The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services quietly drafted a rule that would put into federal code this radical definition of abortion."

later it stated that these rules aren't subjected to a vote by Congress. so these rules can be drafted willy-nilly, yay. but if people do put pressure on their senators and representatives, then maybe they can put pressure on the agency and administration.

as to that answer, thank you, but :mad: damnnit, that's such BS! we have an idiot for a president, but he sure does make certain he's got people around who know how the fuck to get around things to get what they want. perhaps he's not such an idiot afterall...just pure evil. :mad:

Smellyman2

slightofjeff wrote:

I don't care what any of those links say. There will never be a time in this country -- never, ever, ever -- when a simple birth control pill is outlawed.

This the liberal, fear-mongering equivalent of the a right-winger saying the Democrats want to kill babies. It's absurd.

I don't think it will happen either. But it isn't "liberal fear mongering" . Your heroes are drafting it up...

DixieN

You gotta hand it to Bush. He's going out in style. The man who hates abortion is going to try to guarantee that a lot more of it goes on. Well, a village is still missing its idiot, but I guarantee it won't be the global village. What a relief to the world when this guy goes back to checking out interesting bugs on the ranch.

Smellyman2

DixieN wrote:

You gotta hand it to Bush. He's going out in style. The man who hates abortion is going to try to guarantee that a lot more of it goes on. Well, a village is still missing its idiot, but I guarantee it won't be the global village. What a relief to the world when this guy goes back to checking out interesting bugs on the ranch.

Haha. for some reason I had to watch this after reading that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqrI3IibYI

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Here's what the American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists (ACOG) has to say about conscientious refusals:

"Although respect for conscience is important, conscientious refusals should be limited if they constitute an imposition of religious or moral beliefs on patients, negatively affect a patient's health, are based on scientific misinformation, or create or reinforce racial or socioeconomic inequalities."

I haven't finished reading the whole committee opinion but, if you'd like to, here's the link:

http://www.acog.org/from_home/publications/ethics/co385.pdf

beachdweller

so I'm looking for follow up articles about this possible situation, and this thread came up on google as the #2 search result, break out your primetime keyboards people, we're on.

mostly other blogs but here is an abc news report about the plan from July 15th.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Family/wireStory?id=5382156

Family Planning Groups Object to Abortion Plan
Administration Memo Would Allow Doctors to Deny Patients Some Contraceptives, Critics Say
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor
July 15, 2008

and the Wall Street Journal from July 31st

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB121745387879898315.html?mod=blog

Treating the Pill as Abortion,
Draft Regulation Stirs Debate
By STEPHANIE SIMON
July 31, 2008; Page A11

why is this so quiet in the video media?

slightofjeff

Smellyman wrote:

I don't think it will happen either. But it isn't "liberal fear mongering" . Your heroes are drafting it up...

heroes?

beachdweller

if this happens, McCain will be pummeled severly in Nov. More than he is already going to be that is.

Hey everyone, if you don't have sex, that's considered abortion, so start f#cking, reproducing, and abandoning the children you can afford.

cause our only purpose is to reproduce, live by gods words, not just his rules, and wait for the 2nd coming...oh wait, no we don't, cause no one is actually living by god's words and rules, they only hold others to those standards, not themselves...I forgot, silly me....nevermind.

Keiran

I saw this on a t-shirt a while ago -
"If men could get pregnant - abortion would be a sacrament!"

slightofjeff

beachdweller wrote:

if this happens, McCain will be pummeled severly in Nov. More than he is already going to be that is.

This isn't going to happen. So it's a moot point.

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slightofjeff wrote:

This isn't going to happen. So it's a moot point.

What makes you think that? Who's going to stop it?