Cramer melt's down, will our economy be next?

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    A degree in finance - oh boy - watch out.
    Don't tell me you're one of those insecure people who feel ill at ease around well read and well educated people. I hate it when parents do a shitty job raising their kids.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dude you're a finance major. did you study DERIVATIVES? maybe you are misunderstanding "technical". the stock market isnt a bunch of idiots taking a greedy guess.
    You are definitely right in that the derivative market is almost a pure technical market.

    But the stock market is almost a pure emotional market.
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    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,730
    surferdude wrote:
    Don't tell me you're one of those insecure people who feel ill at ease around well read and well educated people. I hate it when parents do a shitty job raising their kids.

    No, I have worked in the markets for over a decade now - you know applying a degree. I like it as lets me travel the world and follow Pearl Jam - who can ask for anything more.....

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    No, I have worked in the markets for over a decade now - you know applying a degree.
    Oh big boy has a degree. How much did that cost your parents to buy?

    I'm amazed you work in the field and don't even understand what you're really selling.
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    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,730
    surferdude wrote:
    Oh big boy has a degree. How much did that cost your parents to buy?

    I'm amazed you work in the field and don't even understand what you're really selling.

    You know what they say about assumptions - first part is true here.

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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    You know what they say about assumptions - first part is true here.
    Let's call a truce. Pissing matches are pointless. Drinking matches I can understand, but not a pissing mathc.
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,730
    surferdude wrote:
    Let's call a truce. Pissing matches are pointless. Drinking matches I can understand, but not a pissing mathc.

    Fair enough.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    surferdude wrote:
    You are definitely right in that the derivative market is almost a pure technical market.

    But the stock market is almost a pure emotional market.

    now im really confused. we are talking about how the market moves. derivative trading is the stock market.

    i'm not going to say the market doesnt move based on emotion. it certainly does. almost everything we do is based on emotion. but there is much more to it. its an indicator of many things.

    but you agreed that the stock market is ridiculous and meaningless. or however he put it. thats simply wrong.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but you agreed that the stock market is ridiculous and meaningless. or however he put it. thats simply wrong.
    The majority of what drives stocks up and down is emotionally driven, just like the baseball card market. That's one of the reasons why market confidence is tracked on a daily basis but corporate performance only quarterly. It would be very easy for the marlet to regulate that financials be published monthly. But that's not needed. What's being sold is only very loosely related to company performance.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    surferdude wrote:
    You are definitely right in that the derivative market is almost a pure technical market.

    But the stock market is almost a pure emotional market.

    short term movement is in large part due to perception and emotion.. but the market is much more than that. It is not baseball cards it is real businesses.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    surferdude wrote:
    The majority of what drives stocks up and down is emotionally driven, just like the baseball card market. That's one of the reasons why market confidence is tracked on a daily basis but corporate performance only quarterly. It would be very easy for the marlet to regulate that financials be published monthly. But that's not needed. What's being sold is only very loosely related to company performance.

    market confidence is tracked on a daily basis? what the hell is that? some poll im missing?

    corporate performance is tracked quarterly, yes. its impossible to do it daily.
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    He lost a lot of money that day. no doubt about it. his OWN money. no one gets that angry over other people losing money.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    THC wrote:
    He lost a lot of money that day. no doubt about it. his OWN money. no one gets that angry over other people losing money.

    his always angry, lol
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  • TrailerTrailer Posts: 1,431
    I've been reading this thread and I'm getting a little nervous. I don't have a finance degree, but I have $16,000 invested in 4 mutual funds. They are not very diversified... mainly in growth. I know that's bad, but I got greedy... emotions ;)

    Should I be worried about a stock market crash? I want to get out before it's too late, however I don't want to do anything if it's just a lot of hype. Cramer does know his shit though, and now the Drudge Report is headlining the issue..
    Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
  • Abuskedti wrote:
    ... but the market is much more than that. It is not baseball cards it is real businesses.

    The secondary stock market is nothing but speculation.
    You can dress it up how you please, but your are attempting to value fractional ownership in a corporation ...

    sure, you can be "educated" in your investment approach, but i would argue that, "hey, at least a baseball card is tangible, and has a value that that is fairly simple to estimate.v
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,730
    Trailer wrote:
    I've been reading this thread and I'm getting a little nervous. I don't have a finance degree, but I have $16,000 invested in 4 mutual funds. They are not very diversified... mainly in growth. I know that's bad, but I got greedy... emotions ;)

    Should I be worried about a stock market crash? I want to get out before it's too late, however I don't want to do anything if it's just a lot of hype. Cramer does know his shit though, and now the Drudge Report is headlining the issue..

    Depends on your investment horizion and liquidity needs amongst other things.

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  • inmyrvminmyrvm Posts: 933
    cramer usually does tell it like it is, we should probably hope he's wrong here.......
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2146442,00.html

    I think this goes some way to helping people see what cramer was saying.

    This talk of market crashes has been going on for over a year.

    They have managed to keep it afloat thus far but that will only last so long before it does take a turn for the worst.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • This thread gives me the freakin willies...

    in a melt down great depression kinda way...

    That's the day I sail away to paradise and live like tom Hanks in Castaway....If i gotta do it ....might as well do it somewhere nice.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2146442,00.html

    I think this goes some way to helping people see what cramer was saying.

    This talk of market crashes has been going on for over a year.

    They have managed to keep it afloat thus far but that will only last so long before it does take a turn for the worst.


    http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070815/usa_economy.html?.v=5

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Falling gasoline costs held U.S. consumer prices nearly in check in July, while industrial output rose in a sign of factory sector health, according to data that suggested the economy was sound despite credit fears in financial markets.

    Other reports on Wednesday showed a slight dip in New York state manufacturing activity this month and a decline in the amount of capital flowing into the United States in June.

    But analysts said the latest data, combined with reports earlier this week showing strong retail sales and a shrinking trade deficit, pointed to an economy that is actually doing pretty well.

    "Things don't look that bad. There is no evidence yet in the data that the economy is on the cusp of losing steam," said Michael Darda, chief economist at MKM Partners in Greenwich, Conn.

    The Consumer Price Index, a key inflation gauge, rose a slightly smaller-than-expected 0.1 percent as gasoline prices fell 1.7 percent, the Labor Department said. Economists polled by Reuters had expected a rise of 0.2 percent.

    Darda said even with the latest volatility in the financial markets amid fears of a liquidity shortage, the Federal Reserve is not likely to cut interest rates.

    "What's happened with the financial market turbulence is it takes the Fed out of the picture for the foreseeable picture. I think the Fed is going to be very disciplined," Darda said.
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