To be quite honest Roland I don't know what the fuck the MIC route is or blowback. There, ya got me beat there on your bell graph.
I sincerely hope you're joking...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
meh...don't they all... you dislike my political views and don't even know why ...so no bigge...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Enlighten us all with your vast knowledge of the MIC and why you disagree with Senator Obama.
Obama on Iraqi blowback:
"t will take more than force to defeat this threat. It will take wisdom and patience to restore America's credibility in the Muslim world and reduce both passive and active support for extremists. We need to partner with the vast majority of Muslims in their struggle against those who would distort their religion, create oppressive theocracies, and kill innocents. We must demonstrate through action, not mere words, that America is not at war with Islam, and that we will stand with those Muslims who seek a better future."'
i'm thinking with Edwards out, even without an Obama endorsement, most of his supporters will turn to Obama anyway. i might be wrong. hillary and obama will undoubtedly split his supporters, but i don't think it will be an even split, and i think Obama ends up on the winning end of that battle.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
i'm thinking with Edwards out, even without an Obama endorsement, most of his supporters will turn to Obama anyway. i might be wrong. hillary and obama will undoubtedly split his supporters, but i don't think it will be an even split, and i think Obama ends up on the winning end of that battle.
I could see the split between Edwards voters going 60/40 for Obama. Someone posted earlier that he will hold off on supporting anyone until Super Tuesday. I don't think he will be a VP candidate at all. I think he is in line for a Attorney General.
Enlighten us all with your vast knowledge of the MIC and why you disagree with Senator Obama.
Obama on Iraqi blowback:
"t will take more than force to defeat this threat. (but it will take force) It will take wisdom and patience to restore America's credibility in the Muslim world and reduce both passive and active support for extremists. (continued middle east presence to fight extremism) We need to partner with the vast majority of Muslims in their struggle against those who would distort their religion, create oppressive theocracies, and kill innocents. (again continued presence in the middle east) We must demonstrate through action (what kind of action?) , not mere words, that America is not at war with Islam, and that we will stand with those Muslims who seek a better future."' (This is a nothing more than a declaration on a persistent course to fight against extremism...a.k.a additional military intervention)
What a warmonger...
my comments in parentheses and bolded
"What a warmonger." wel it certainly doesn't read like a peace activist approach that's for sure....
He'll be played, unless his foreign policy becomes a little more black and white. You can't play along in the system and expect to be outside of it at the same time.
Obama is going to get a wakeup call when he realizes this.
He's already guaranteeing troops in Iraq until at least 2013 so that would very easily be 2015, it's never less or ahead of schedule with this type of situation.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
no, they DON'T all, and i have no problem with your "political views". it's YOU i dislike.
Oh well, cry me a river..
I think you've been asked a few times what you dislike about RP, but you just glaze over stunned by yourself...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"What a warmonger." wel it certainly doesn't read like a peace activist approach that's for sure....
He'll be played, unless his foreign policy becomes a little more black and white. You can't play along in the system and expect to be outside of it at the same time.
Obama is going to get a wakeup call when he realizes this.
He's already guaranteeing troops in Iraq until at least 2013 so that would very easily be 2015, it's never less or ahead of schedule with this type of situation.
For fuck's sake Roland, start a fucking thread for your "Obama is a zionist warmonger bullshit" and keep it contained there. This nonsense (and trust me everyone sensible knows it is nonsense) spilling out into EVERY thread here is a bit tiresome. Its in almost EVERY thread. Enough already.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
"What a warmonger." wel it certainly doesn't read like a peace activist approach that's for sure....
He'll be played, unless his foreign policy becomes a little more black and white. You can't play along in the system and expect to be outside of it at the same time.
Obama is going to get a wakeup call when he realizes this.
He's already guaranteeing troops in Iraq until at least 2013 so that would very easily be 2015, it's never less or ahead of schedule with this type of situation.
Pulling the Troops out Immediately commits the "sins of the Father" (See Bush 1 after Desert Storm) and is akin to a death sentance and instant bloody civil war in the region. Obama is certainly not going to have a similar policy GWB had in his foreign policy it's far more diplomatic the way he seems to be structuring it. He seems more eager to negociate. "America is not at War with ISLAM and we will stand with those Muslims that seek a better future" is a far more telling comment from Mr. Obama. Currently they are meeting opposition because Bush has made it easy to see the West as an invading enemy. It looks more to me like Obama wants to show the non Theocratic Muslims that he won't totally pull out and leave them shafted and at the mercy of the various terrorist groups. There is no current way the Iraqui government or police can defend themselves and the US caused this whole mess. The next president has to clean it up not just pretend it dosen't exist like Somalia or Rwanda or Sudan. They have currently very good reasons not to trust the US in this situation. George HW Bush already allowed thousands to be tortured and murdered after he left Saddam in power post Desert Storm.
I think the more likely scenario is if Obama is elected is that he starts working to bring the Troops home with a gradual pullout and more working in with UN peacekeeping forces probably leaving US troops under UN control.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
anyone ever notice that roland and drifting post in the same style- kinda like stream of consciousness or something. each post starts with one wiseass line, then it's followed by space, then one or two more snarky remarks, then space, then some huge paultard paragraph, then another, final condescending remark against anyone who doesn't agree with them and/or isn't a paulsterbater.
has anyone ever seen these two in the same room? hmmm.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
For fuck's sake Roland, start a fucking thread for your "Obama is a zionist warmonger bullshit" and keep it contained there. This nonsense (and trust me everyone sensible knows it is nonsense) spilling out into EVERY thread here is a bit tiresome. Its in almost EVERY thread. Enough already.
You don't digest facts or read very well apparently.
I never said he was a zionst or warmonger WTF? coffee? I said he has aligned himself with people who are. Big difference.
If he supports Israel's current administration 100% then he can't turn around and wave the peace flag without looking like a hypocrite.
Regardless, he's going to fight terrorism with military force, so he's not exactly a peace activist now is he. What is terrorism now again? who are the terrorists?
See it for what it is and stop YOUR bullshit about me already.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
anyone ever notice that roland and drifting post in the same style- kinda like stream of consciousness or something. each post starts with one wiseass line, then it's followed by space, then one or two more snarky remarks, then space, then some huge paultard paragraph, then another, final condescending remark against anyone who doesn't agree with them and/or isn't a paulsterbater.
has anyone ever seen these two in the same room? hmmm.
yeah it's a conspiracy... wtf?!
don't think too much.. you might hurt yourself ...hehe j/k
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
He's already guaranteeing troops in Iraq until at least 2013 so that would very easily be 2015, it's never less or ahead of schedule with this type of situation.
I like how you think you are inside Obama's head and know what he means.
Also, he has not once guaranteed troops until 2013 or 2015. I agree with him 100% in that we need to be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. You can't just pull the bottom row of blocks out of Jenga and not expect the thing to fall. I would really like to not have to send troops back there in 10 years because genocide has broken out and we have a situation in Iraq like we do in Kenya or Sudan.
I like how you think you are inside Obama's head and know what he means.
Also, he has not once guaranteed troops until 2013 or 2015. I agree with him 100% in that we need to be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. You can't just pull the bottom row of blocks out of Jenga and not expect the thing to fall. I would really like to not have to send troops back there in 10 years because genocide has broken out and we have a situation in Iraq like we do in Kenya or Sudan.
Actually it wasn't guarantee, it was what he envisions at the very least until 2013.
I hope he has some serious balls because he's walking a tightrope with his bedfellows.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Actually it wasn't guarantee, it was what he envisions at the very least until 2013.
I hope he has some serious balls because he's walking a tightrope with his bedfellows.
I understand your concerns with his "bedfellows". I'm curious as to what you think about the idea of the "careful getting out as we were careless getting in" line?
Does that make sense to you? I feel like we owe it to the civilians and soldiers who have died in Iraq not to leave it in a cluster fuck which could lead to serious trouble down the road. We need to find a line where our combat troops could come home and still try to keep the country from boiling over w/o being Team America World Police.
no, that part was a joke. but the irritating posting style- no joke. you guys have the same way of rubbing people the exact wrong way.
i have, in fact, explained in several (of the million or so) ron paul threads why i don;t like him. but i don't take his candidacy very seriously, so i really don't put alot of energy into it. unlike yourself, with limitless time and energy alotted for paulsterbation.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I understand your concerns with his "bedfellows". I'm curious as to what you think about the idea of the "careful getting out as we were careless getting in" line?
Does that make sense to you? I feel like we owe it to the civilians and soldiers who have died in Iraq not to leave it in a cluster fuck which could lead to serious trouble down the road. We need to find a line where our combat troops could come home and still try to keep the country from boiling over w/o being Team America World Police.
It will have to be phased out. Every Iraqi appointee Bush has assigned over there or will have to be replaced from top to bottom.
I hope the pockets are deep, it's going to cost a ton...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
no, that part was a joke. but the irritating posting style- no joke. you guys have the same way of rubbing people the exact wrong way.
i have, in fact, explained in several (of the million or so) ron paul threads why i don;t like him. but i don't take his candidacy very seriously, so i really don't put alot of energy into it. unlike yourself, with limitless time and energy alotted for paulsterbation.
You are the model of how to not rub people the wrong way that's for sure...
That much just kina jumps out and claws at you hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ok how is Obama going to fix foreign policy by supporting the MIC route?
By being an unapologetic zionist.
what has he said about that? your answer pls?
"Zionism kicks ass."
better yet... do you even understand what blowback is and why it happens?
Blowback is what happened to Bill after Monica was done. She blew him, then wanted a blow back. Why did it happen? Because she's a bitch that way, that's why.
Any more questions?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Blowback is what happened to Bill after Monica was done. She blew him, then wanted a blow back. Why did it happen? Because she's a bitch that way, that's why.
Any more questions?
I wasn't talking to you man...
you're out of context... and inappropriate in your answers. Childish really.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
ANYwhoo, his campaign website isn;t saying anything (yet) about his plans to withdraw.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
or away from its topic.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I sincerely hope you're joking...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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meh...don't they all... you dislike my political views and don't even know why ...so no bigge...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I'll leave that one up to you.
Enlighten us all with your vast knowledge of the MIC and why you disagree with Senator Obama.
Obama on Iraqi blowback:
"t will take more than force to defeat this threat. It will take wisdom and patience to restore America's credibility in the Muslim world and reduce both passive and active support for extremists. We need to partner with the vast majority of Muslims in their struggle against those who would distort their religion, create oppressive theocracies, and kill innocents. We must demonstrate through action, not mere words, that America is not at war with Islam, and that we will stand with those Muslims who seek a better future."'
What a warmonger...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I could see the split between Edwards voters going 60/40 for Obama. Someone posted earlier that he will hold off on supporting anyone until Super Tuesday. I don't think he will be a VP candidate at all. I think he is in line for a Attorney General.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
no, they DON'T all, and i have no problem with your "political views". it's YOU i dislike.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
my comments in parentheses and bolded
"What a warmonger." wel it certainly doesn't read like a peace activist approach that's for sure....
He'll be played, unless his foreign policy becomes a little more black and white. You can't play along in the system and expect to be outside of it at the same time.
Obama is going to get a wakeup call when he realizes this.
He's already guaranteeing troops in Iraq until at least 2013 so that would very easily be 2015, it's never less or ahead of schedule with this type of situation.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Oh well, cry me a river..
I think you've been asked a few times what you dislike about RP, but you just glaze over stunned by yourself...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
For fuck's sake Roland, start a fucking thread for your "Obama is a zionist warmonger bullshit" and keep it contained there. This nonsense (and trust me everyone sensible knows it is nonsense) spilling out into EVERY thread here is a bit tiresome. Its in almost EVERY thread. Enough already.
Pulling the Troops out Immediately commits the "sins of the Father" (See Bush 1 after Desert Storm) and is akin to a death sentance and instant bloody civil war in the region. Obama is certainly not going to have a similar policy GWB had in his foreign policy it's far more diplomatic the way he seems to be structuring it. He seems more eager to negociate. "America is not at War with ISLAM and we will stand with those Muslims that seek a better future" is a far more telling comment from Mr. Obama. Currently they are meeting opposition because Bush has made it easy to see the West as an invading enemy. It looks more to me like Obama wants to show the non Theocratic Muslims that he won't totally pull out and leave them shafted and at the mercy of the various terrorist groups. There is no current way the Iraqui government or police can defend themselves and the US caused this whole mess. The next president has to clean it up not just pretend it dosen't exist like Somalia or Rwanda or Sudan. They have currently very good reasons not to trust the US in this situation. George HW Bush already allowed thousands to be tortured and murdered after he left Saddam in power post Desert Storm.
I think the more likely scenario is if Obama is elected is that he starts working to bring the Troops home with a gradual pullout and more working in with UN peacekeeping forces probably leaving US troops under UN control.
has anyone ever seen these two in the same room? hmmm.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
You don't digest facts or read very well apparently.
I never said he was a zionst or warmonger WTF? coffee? I said he has aligned himself with people who are. Big difference.
If he supports Israel's current administration 100% then he can't turn around and wave the peace flag without looking like a hypocrite.
Regardless, he's going to fight terrorism with military force, so he's not exactly a peace activist now is he. What is terrorism now again? who are the terrorists?
See it for what it is and stop YOUR bullshit about me already.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
yeah it's a conspiracy... wtf?!
don't think too much.. you might hurt yourself ...hehe j/k
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I like how you think you are inside Obama's head and know what he means.
Also, he has not once guaranteed troops until 2013 or 2015. I agree with him 100% in that we need to be as careful getting out as we were careless going in. You can't just pull the bottom row of blocks out of Jenga and not expect the thing to fall. I would really like to not have to send troops back there in 10 years because genocide has broken out and we have a situation in Iraq like we do in Kenya or Sudan.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Actually it wasn't guarantee, it was what he envisions at the very least until 2013.
I hope he has some serious balls because he's walking a tightrope with his bedfellows.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I understand your concerns with his "bedfellows". I'm curious as to what you think about the idea of the "careful getting out as we were careless getting in" line?
Does that make sense to you? I feel like we owe it to the civilians and soldiers who have died in Iraq not to leave it in a cluster fuck which could lead to serious trouble down the road. We need to find a line where our combat troops could come home and still try to keep the country from boiling over w/o being Team America World Police.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
no, that part was a joke. but the irritating posting style- no joke. you guys have the same way of rubbing people the exact wrong way.
i have, in fact, explained in several (of the million or so) ron paul threads why i don;t like him. but i don't take his candidacy very seriously, so i really don't put alot of energy into it. unlike yourself, with limitless time and energy alotted for paulsterbation.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
It will have to be phased out. Every Iraqi appointee Bush has assigned over there or will have to be replaced from top to bottom.
I hope the pockets are deep, it's going to cost a ton...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You are the model of how to not rub people the wrong way that's for sure...
That much just kina jumps out and claws at you hehe
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
His supporters are white dudes and swooning women ... they're going for Hillary no matter what he tells them to do.
for the least they could possibly do
By being an unapologetic zionist.
"Zionism kicks ass."
Blowback is what happened to Bill after Monica was done. She blew him, then wanted a blow back. Why did it happen? Because she's a bitch that way, that's why.
Any more questions?
for the least they could possibly do
I don't really think that's the case. I think it will be a 60/40 split w/ the edge to Obama.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I wasn't talking to you man...
you're out of context... and inappropriate in your answers. Childish really.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Eh, you might be right. We'll see.
for the least they could possibly do
I know. Just thought I'd help out.
well, when in Rome ...
for the least they could possibly do
Help, or be a jerk?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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A little from column A, a little from column B
for the least they could possibly do
A virtual split though still.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm