U.S. Draft Call - War with Iran
puremagic
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Lets discuss, since our leaders don't listen to the people. It will be us and the brits putting on uniforms. You can't hide in college, the national guard or your job. Remember the age limit for military service was raised to 40 something. So,
1. Will the next President have to institute a draft call if Bush takes the country into war with Iran before he leaves office?
We are stretched to the limit, shifting military personnel back and forth from Iraq and Afghanistan. If we go to war with Iran, the next President will not be able to withdraw troops from Iraq or Afghanistan because the entire region will be highly volatible.
2. Do you think the EU and other coalition nations will send large amounts of troops to assist the U.S. in a war with Iran?
3. Without EU and coalition support is a limited nuke strike on Iran a reality?
4. How do you think Russia and China will support Iran if attacked?
Is the world ready for this?
1. Will the next President have to institute a draft call if Bush takes the country into war with Iran before he leaves office?
We are stretched to the limit, shifting military personnel back and forth from Iraq and Afghanistan. If we go to war with Iran, the next President will not be able to withdraw troops from Iraq or Afghanistan because the entire region will be highly volatible.
2. Do you think the EU and other coalition nations will send large amounts of troops to assist the U.S. in a war with Iran?
3. Without EU and coalition support is a limited nuke strike on Iran a reality?
4. How do you think Russia and China will support Iran if attacked?
Is the world ready for this?
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And if there was...I wouldn't serve.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Just like we wouldn't stand for FISA or the Patriot Act or the continuous funding of the Iraq War. The people may not stand for it, but our politicians no longer seem to care about what the people think.
Answers:
1. No, There are more than enough volunteers. The US Army was 92 percent volunteers. I think it was 8 or less percent draftees in Vietnam. No one over the age of 24 was ever drafted. We are not stretched too thin to defend ourselves. However, for future volunteers will drop off if we go to war again. Especially if we give up on Iraq or Iran.
2. No, Europe is gun shy right now. There are more muslims there and they have some political power and say.
3. No, unless they use nukes.
4. Hell no. They will back Iran politically.
You say people wouldn't stand for FISA or the Patriot Act, but most people really don't care about FISA or the Patriot Act because it doesn't affect us in our daily lives.... A draft is an entirely different story.
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Can we sustain a war on 3 fronts, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran with our current military manpower? To me, if we engage Iran there is no way we can withdraw from Iraq or Afghanistan and the fighting in both those countries could increase if we attack Iran.
So you believe Russia and China will not support Iran militarily in any fashion, even equipment?
I'm not sure if your statement here is correct, but even if it is, the following is from an article I found on About.com. It stated "In the early days of the Vietnam war, draftees were a minority of the total US armed forces. However, their higher percentage in the Army meant that they formed the majority of infantry riflemen (88 percent by 1969) and accounted for more than half of Army battle deaths. Deferments, including college students, caused the draft and the casualties to be judged unfair. For example, African-Americans (11 percent of the U.S. population) "accounted for 16 percent of Army casualties in Vietnam in 1967 (15 percent for the entire war)." Also, how do you judge there are more than enough volunteers? I can't imagine how we could fight essentially three wars at once with an all volunteer force. I think you'd start having soldier revolts. A lot of these guys have done two and three tours already in Iraq and Afghanistan. You'd have to be crazy to subject yourself to these unending tours of duty.
I watched the history channel found that it was surprising that there was over 90 percent volunteers. I don't know how many were on the front lines. When you were drafted they asked if you had any special skills. If you didn't have any that the army wanted, you were sent to the front.
Tip: If you get drafted, tell them your a mechanic or have electricial engineering skillz. You won't get sent to the front.
Well, I already served my time, so I would just tell them to sit and spin.
I would feel terrible for the young guys who have no choice in the matter though.
The entire US moves to the middle east, and vice versa...
all the oil you can bathe in...no SUV could ever be big enough...
a little bit of heat....for a 20,000 pound living room on wheels?
I can hear people salivating already from here...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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ding ding ding!! and that's why there's been no draft!
That's why that fucking coward sent the national guard.
great idea, weakening America. God forbid we might have a disaster here... like, say.....oh, I don't know....
A MOTHERF**KING HURRICANE THAT WIPES OUT THE ENTIRE GULF COAST!!!
thanks a lot dickhead.
You make this sound like a bad thing.
No. Whichever president/party institutes the draft again will have doomed himself/his party to lose all elections for the foreseeable future. This is one issue the American people will fight.
Of course, it's a moot point anyway. We're not going to war with Iran in the next six months.
There's not going to be a war with Iran, unless Iran does something super silly, like attack someone else first. In that case, yes, the EU and other coalition nations will step in.
If Israel is the one attacked, then Israel would probably do it. Assuming they haven't been nuked off the face of the earth themselves. Of course, given my answer to Nos. 1 and 2, I don't think it's likely Iran nukes Israel anytime soon.
I think they'll probably stay out of it.
for the least they could possibly do
People aren't as against those things as you might think. There certainly isn't the level of groundswell opposition to them that would lead to revolt.
Force them to actually do the fighting at gunpoint, against their will, and you'd be surprised how quickly they'll stand up and vote every fucking body out of office. If you ever wanted to see what America would be like if 99 percent of the population voted -- that would be it.
for the least they could possibly do
But see, the Patriot Act really doesn't affect most law-abiding citizens in any real tangible way that we can see and feel.
In the seven years since it was enacted, I can remember it affecting me once. In order to get a housing loan, I had to show a picture ID. Oh, the horror.
Now, they may be recording all my phone conversations, which wouldn't exactly be right. But it doesn't affect me because I have nothing to hide. If it DOES affect me, I don't even know HOW it's affecting me. So there isn't really the same kind of impetus to want to change it that there would be if, you know, I was forced to fight in a war in Iran under penalty of prison.
People react when things affect them. Not when they affect other people. A lot of people (gasp!) are actually FOR the Patriot Act.
for the least they could possibly do
A draft is not going to happen.
Doubt it, but I wouldn't put it past them.
Still, I think this is the US and Israel's war more than anyone else's.
I don't think so. If the US/Israel does that, they'll receive worldwide condemnation for that.
Russia: Maybe weapons/arms deals under the table, but other than that, they can't do anything else... they wouldn't risk anything.
China: Nothing, they can't risk anything at all.
I don't know.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7500342.stm
"Israel's defence minister has warned of his country's readiness to act against Iran if it feels threatened."
Not the same as being attacked first.
You act as if it's a well-known fact that Iran has nukes... you do realize it's NOT a fact, right?
Conyers really wants it to pass
he keeps introducing the bill under dif names
so from my point of view its just a matter of time
ages are 18-42, and it's called Civil Service, hahahahahaha
what a fukin joke.........
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Because it took them longer than that to come up with a bogus reason to attack Iraq. These things don't just happen overnight. They'll go the U.N., they'll fuck around in committee, yada yada. Barring an outright attack by Iran on someone else, there's no way to get this done in six months.
Sounds like typical bluster to try and scare Iran out of a potential first strike to me. A lot more effective then, "We will only attack Iran if they bomb us off the face of the map first."
Yes, I realize this. Although they probably should learn from Saddam that it's best not to pretend you have weapons that you don't.
for the least they could possibly do
Ding ding ding ... we've got a winner.
...I highly doubt that. If anything, Iran is trying to scare Israel out of a potential first strike... Israel is the aggressive one in this scenario, NOT Iran.
when did they ever pretend to have nukes?
I cry bullshit on that "Iran is not the aggressor" remark. That is just plain wrong. If Iran's president kept his yap shut, Israel wouldn't posture and ponder a strike.
You're right. The nuclear program they keep going on about is only for "energy purposes."
In another news, I keep a gun in the house, just because I like to look at shiny things.
for the least they could possibly do
Yeah, seriously. If every country that surrounded you kept going on and on about how you should be wiped off the map ... it might make you a little edgy, too.
for the least they could possibly do