US Senate report says there's no link between Al-Quaeda and Saddam

Restless Soul

Typical huh. Even the US senate say there was no link yet the govt is still blindly leading the blind, even though they know themselves they are lying.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5328592.stm

There's a pdf attached of the full report in the link.

ledvedderman

Yet still the majority of Americans will sit and do nothing. Just this week we have learned that there were secret CIA prisons and now (not surprised) that there was no connection between Iraq and Osama.

Why are the American people taking this?

The Waiting Trophy Man

ledvedderman wrote:

Why are the American people taking this?

why is the world taking this?? that's the scary part. the whole world stands by while the americans do whatever they want.

ledvedderman

aBoxOfFear wrote:

why is the world taking this?? that's the scary part. the whole world stands by while the americans do whatever they want.

That is an even better reply.

edgarcamp

None of this is new, it is just rehashed for the umpteenth time. They have been saying the same thing for atleast two years now.
Why doesn't it bother more people in America and abroad? If it doesn't directly effect their lives, most people won't be concerned about it. People in America are more concerned with gas prices then the war.
Don't think foreign countries are anymore enlightened then we are, they may have a different perspective but their governments are as corrupt as ours.

The Waiting Trophy Man

ledvedderman wrote:

That is an even better reply.

honestly, the americans that scare me, are the ones in the media. did they forget how to think for themselves??

jsand

aBoxOfFear wrote:

why is the world taking this?? that's the scary part. the whole world stands by while the americans do whatever they want.

If common sense prevailed, this would read:

Why is the world taking this?? That's the scary part. The whole world stands by while ISLAMIC TERRORISTS do whatever they want.

Seriously, I'm so tired of the complaints about America, and specifically the Bush administration. Did you ever stop and think that maybe if these animals weren't blowing up people all over the world, that maybe the war, wiretapping, etc. wouldn't be happening?

The same goes for these complaints about Bush using the word "Islamofascists," and the higher scrutiny that Muslims are under now. The cause of this is terrorism. Maybe if organizations like CAIR spent more time condemning the atrocities being committed in the name of their religion and less time arguing over the supposed bad rap that Muslims are getting, there could be some real change.

jsand

aBoxOfFear wrote:

honestly, the americans that scare me, are the ones in the media. did they forget how to think for themselves??

I totally agree. It's scary when the media just buys into terrorist propoganda and starts staging and photoshopping photographs and drafting falsified reports, like the one about the Israeli missile strike on red cross ambulances that never happened.

The Waiting Trophy Man

jsand wrote:

If common sense prevailed, this would read:

Why is the world taking this?? That's the scary part. The whole world stands by while ISLAMIC TERRORISTS do whatever they want.

Seriously, I'm so tired of the complaints about America, and specifically the Bush administration. Did you ever stop and think that maybe if these animals weren't blowing up people all over the world, that maybe the war, wiretapping, etc. wouldn't be happening?

The same goes for these complaints about Bush using the word "Islamofascists," and the higher scrutiny that Muslims are under now. The cause of this is terrorism. Maybe if organizations like CAIR spent more time condemning the atrocities being committed in the name of their religion and less time arguing over the supposed bad rap that Muslims are getting, there could be some real change.

the americans invaded another country and started a war with them. those people are fighting back using any means possible. wouldn't you??

The Waiting Trophy Man

jsand wrote:

I totally agree. It's scary when the media just buys into terrorist propoganda and starts staging and photoshopping photographs and drafting falsified reports, like the one about the Israeli missile strike on red cross ambulances that never happened.

good point.

jsand

aBoxOfFear wrote:

the americans invaded another country and started a war with them. those people are fighting back using any means possible. wouldn't you??

Hmmm...would I blow myself up with the express purpose of taking a bunch of civilians with me on my deranged quest to achieve martyrdom and gain access to 72 virgins?

Nope.

jsand

aBoxOfFear wrote:

good point.

Thank you.

The Waiting Trophy Man

jsand wrote:

Hmmm...would I blow myself up with the express purpose of taking a bunch of civilians with me on my deranged quest to achieve martyrdom and gain access to 72 virgins?

Nope.

why not?? american soldiers are willing to sacrifice their lives for an illegal war that was based on lies which is actually dividing the country even more than it was before and has spawned a million more people wanting to do harm to america/americans.

Restless Soul

aBoxOfFear wrote:

the americans invaded another country and started a war with them. those people are fighting back using any means possible. wouldn't you??

Yes, the history of US foreign policy has been in the same vein, but I guess most americans dont want to know about that because it would spoil their image of themselves as always being the "good guys".

And I agree, the media have a lot to answer for too.

TheVoiceInside

jsand wrote:

If common sense prevailed, this would read:

Why is the world taking this?? That's the scary part. The whole world stands by while ISLAMIC TERRORISTS do whatever they want.

Seriously, I'm so tired of the complaints about America, and specifically the Bush administration. Did you ever stop and think that maybe if these animals weren't blowing up people all over the world, that maybe the war, wiretapping, etc. wouldn't be happening?

The same goes for these complaints about Bush using the word "Islamofascists," and the higher scrutiny that Muslims are under now. The cause of this is terrorism. Maybe if organizations like CAIR spent more time condemning the atrocities being committed in the name of their religion and less time arguing over the supposed bad rap that Muslims are getting, there could be some real change.

The point of this thread is that there was no link between the islamic terrorist and sadamm's regime. Going after Osama in Afganistan is one thing everyone agreed with but this whole Irak thing is pure opportunism(sp?). That is what is wrong with Bush. He misled the country into an unnessesary war in which the country cant get out of. Fucking up Americas image.

jsand

TheVoiceInside wrote:

The point of this thread is that there was no link between the islamic terrorist and sadamm's regime. Going after Osama in Afganistan is one thing everyone agreed with but this whole Irak thing is pure opportunism(sp?). That is what is wrong with Bush. He misled the country into an unnessesary war in which the country cant get out of. Fucking up Americas image.

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

TheVoiceInside

jsand wrote:

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

I would bet that the US would have a lot more backing around the world if they had never gone into Irak. Making it easier to deal with Iran. Noboody seem to care when Saadam was gasing his ownn people back in the 80's.

my2hands

jsand wrote:

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

you must sit in your home sweating and shaking waiting for Abdul to kick in your door...

i am sick of paranoid fucking americans... we are talking about 18 guys based out of caves with fucking box cutters...and in 5 years they have turned into the ultimate boogey man?

our reaction and illegal actions over the last 5 years have taken an extremely small minority of extremists, and turned it into something much larger than it was...


i thought this was the home of the brave...now it is just the home of the medicated, fear stricken, piss my pants, take away my rights, fucking pushovers who are letting this band of thieves hi-jack OUR country and world

my2hands

jsand wrote:

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

you cannot give a justification for invading Iran... AT ALL

you act as if it is a game of Risk?

Restless Soul

jsand wrote:

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

America put saddam in his place in the first place and funded his activities - they used him to stave off the russians in the cold war and got rid of him when it was inconvenient and he got out of hand. Sure he was an abominable dictator but the US ain't perfect either. Behind the scenes the cia etc are pulling ALL the strings - same as what they've done in many latin countries, such as fundng and abetting pro-US pinochet in chile for example. Its not new which is why people are sceptical of america's tactics.

my2hands

Restless Soul wrote:

America put saddam in his place in the first place and funded his activities - they used him to stave off the russians in the cold war and got rid of him when it was inconvenient and he got out of hand. Sure he was an abominable dictator but the US ain't perfect either. Behind the scenes the cia etc are pulling ALL the strings - same as what they've done in many latin countries, such as fundng and abetting pro-US pinochet in chile for example. Its not new which is why people are sceptical of america's tactics.

your talking to a wall

he will justify our actions anyway he can...whether he believes it or not is irrelevant...maybe he does believe it? maybe he does it to feel tough? maybe he does it to feel part of a strong team? maybe he does it to morally excuse his support for mass slaughter based on lies and natural resources...not to mention massive corporate profit soaked in blood? maybe he does it because he feels as though fanatic muslims are a threat to his "freedom"?

who knows? he might not even know?

FinsburyParkCarrots

Meet this man.

http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/images/photos/uploads/brown_lectern.jpg

At this present time of posting, you might think I'm making a cryptic - even irrelevant - post.


But in a couple of weeks time, come back to me.

Restless Soul

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Meet this man.

http://www.nyu.edu/public.affairs/images/photos/uploads/brown_lectern.jpg

At this present time of posting, you might think I'm making a cryptic - even irrelevant - post.


But in a couple of weeks time, come back to me.

Is that a real picture or doctored? I can't tell! What do you have on him? Pm me if you can- I want to know!

Truthmonger

And what of Brown ?

aNiMaL

jsand wrote:

If common sense prevailed, this would read:

Why is the world taking this?? That's the scary part. The whole world stands by while ISLAMIC TERRORISTS do whatever they want.

Seriously, I'm so tired of the complaints about America, and specifically the Bush administration. Did you ever stop and think that maybe if these animals weren't blowing up people all over the world, that maybe the war, wiretapping, etc. wouldn't be happening?

The same goes for these complaints about Bush using the word "Islamofascists," and the higher scrutiny that Muslims are under now. The cause of this is terrorism. Maybe if organizations like CAIR spent more time condemning the atrocities being committed in the name of their religion and less time arguing over the supposed bad rap that Muslims are getting, there could be some real change.

Hey, maybe if we hadn't invaded a country that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with terrorism....wasting lives and money...then maybe we'd stop complaining about the current administration.

aNiMaL

TheVoiceInside wrote:

The point of this thread is that there was no link between the islamic terrorist and sadamm's regime. Going after Osama in Afganistan is one thing everyone agreed with but this whole Irak thing is pure opportunism(sp?). That is what is wrong with Bush. He misled the country into an unnessesary war in which the country cant get out of. Fucking up Americas image.

Exactly! No question he had plans from day one of his administration to finish his daddy's war.....9/11 just gave him a vulnerable country to convince it needed to be done.

The point is....every single reason the current administration has spewed out as a reason for invading Iraq has been dead wrong and a complete waste of time, money, and human life.

aNiMaL

chiefojibwa wrote:

hey, uh, why don't you address the issue at hand...that there was no link between saddam and al queda, like bush said.

In June 2004, Bush defended Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that Saddam had "long-established ties" with al-Qaida. "Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al-Qaida affiliates and al-Qaida," the president said.

Cosmo

jsand wrote:

I undertstand the point of the post, and if there truly was no link it is a valid point. However, even assuming that Saddam didn't have ties to al quaeda, it is undisputed that he gassed his own people, gave direct payments to families of Palestinian suicide bombers, etc. That being said, I would have much bombed Iran, and invaded if necessary, as it is clearly the largest threat and has been since the Islamic revolution in the '70s.

...
Please, don't try dragging out that tired ass "gassing his own people" excuse to justify your support for this crap. If you really cared about "those poor innocent Iraqis (who, I might point out, are grouped in with those "Islamo-fascists" you seem to despise so much), you'd have done something about it when it was happening... over a decade before.

aNiMaL

Cosmo wrote:

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Please, don't try dragging out that tired ass "gassing his own people" excuse to justify your support for this crap. If you really cared about "those poor innocent Iraqis (who, I might point out, are grouped in with those "Islamo-fascists" you seem to despise so much), you'd have done something about it when it was happening... over a decade before.

Yeah, if we really invaded Iraq to free the oppressed people from the tyranny they were living....then we should have done that years ago....and Saddam is not the only one. That is absolute and utter bullshit! We had bigger fish to fry....like terrorism.