to the poster who said, this thread is outdated, that makes no sense. If I was a wealthy white male, who could choose to live in the Hamptons or in South Central LA or a poor neighborhood in chicago, its not too hard to figure out where I would live. Rich whites have always left poor minorities to dwell in hells that whites themselves tacitly support and allow to happen. After all it makes no sense, if you are white, why not move somewhere all white, because you compete only with whites for jobs. Whereas if you move to a poor multicultural neighborhood, you are "getting your job stolen" by other races.
This thread is outdated when people no longer move out of poor black neighborhoods because they are white. This thread is outdated when the hamptons no longer exists.
People - no matter what race - tend to move away from less desirable areas when they have more wealth. It's not a white v. the minorities issue at all.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
to the poster who said, this thread is outdated, that makes no sense. If I was a wealthy white male, who could choose to live in the Hamptons or in South Central LA or a poor neighborhood in chicago, its not too hard to figure out where I would live. Rich whites have always left poor minorities to dwell in hells that whites themselves tacitly support and allow to happen. After all it makes no sense, if you are white, why not move somewhere all white, because you compete only with whites for jobs. Whereas if you move to a poor multicultural neighborhood, you are "getting your job stolen" by other races.
This thread is outdated when people no longer move out of poor black neighborhoods because they are white. This thread is outdated when the hamptons no longer exists.
If you were a wealthy african american who could afford to live in the Hamptons, would you choose south central? Just curious.
And your point about jobs I dont agree with. Most of these communities tend to be in suburban areas, but just because someone lives in the suburbs doesnt mean they dont work in the city. So I think your little rant about competing with other whites for jobs is not accurate a bit.
i think they are sick. You end up building walls, as opposed to breaking them down. You mean, rich white trustfundians are so worried about brown people that they build walls to keep them out? I mean its just so absurd. I think all rich whities should be forced to spend a day in the projects, and see what life is really like for people. While they are oppressing the poor and sending youth off to die in Iraq, the poor and brown are actually fighting the war and are being brutally slaughtered by inhumane pigs out for blood.
You want to build a mansion? Fine, but be willing to send your kid off to Iraq and be willing to give away your money.
Believe it or not, some folks really are just workin for a living like everyone else and just built a house. People of different income levels live in areas of like income levels.
This isn't unique to white America. Look at other nations, brown nations in South America. Look at their social divide in living area. It's about income and social stature, not race. Just because this tv program put some racist yahoo on the screen as n example, it doesn't take away from that reality.
As far as giving money away, I agree (and religions that I know of support this as well) that the wealthy should help the poor because it's just the right thing to do. However, if you're just saying this out of anger, or because of some dislike of wealthier people, then that's wrong as well.
We tend to define what is excessive by our own standards of our own lives. What I mean by that is, some folks complaining about the extravagance of others probably live pretty extravagantly according to other folks. Think about the world population, and how much of it lives. I bet many of them would point to most of our lives as pretty excessive.
So, I'd think about that one a bit before getting all self-righteous and fired up against "rich" folks.
We tend to define what is excessive by our own standards of our own lives. What I mean by that is, some folks complaining about the extravagance of others probably live pretty extravagantly according to other folks. Think about the world population, and how much of it lives. I bet many of them would point to most of our lives as pretty excessive.
So, I'd think about that one a bit before getting all self-righteous and fired up against "rich" folks.
Exactly. I'd say anyone who has access to this forum is probably richer than 85% of the world....and that's being conservative. We're all rich here.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Well my apt complex is gated....to keep the loonies in I think. It's kind of silly really but it makes some people feel all warm and fuzzy so whatever.
I just want a house with a yard and no covenants or neighbor hood rules to live by. I like cutting grass. I like washing my car, planting a garden, planting shrubs etc.
I definately don't want to pay some idiot lawn svc 200 bucks a month to do something I can do better than them.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
There's one around the corner. Occasionally people emerge, in local pubs, very palefaced and shaken. I think they're looking for new recruits, for their swinger orgies, but once you get locked in, you're locked forever ... they stay alone together, and as sad as damp twiglets on the lemonade-splashed ashtray of despair.
You're thinking of Scientologist ramblers from East Grinstead! :rolleyes:
By the way, I love that last line! You're not J.G Ballard are you?
Exactly. I'd say anyone who has access to this forum is probably richer than 85% of the world....and that's being conservative. We're all rich here.
Maybe people with internet access could be considered rich but this isn't about us, that's kind of missing the point. There are real poor people living in the cities right now who are suffering. That's who Che's talking about.
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Maybe people with internet access could be considered rich but this isn't about us, that's kind of missing the point. There are real poor people living in the cities right now who are suffering. That's who Che's talking about.
I dont see why having gated communities really effects those people though. If wealthy people started building nice houses next to poor neighborhoods then the property value of the poor neighborhoods would just go up, possibly forcing people in those neighborhoods out.
Maybe people with internet access could be considered rich but this isn't about us, that's kind of missing the point. There are real poor people living in the cities right now who are suffering. That's who Che's talking about.
Of course it's not about "us." Then you'd have to think about how excessive your own life is compared to others and would be forced to make a thread about what a rich ass you are, and how you owe society a debt, and how you are, by being rich, oppressing others.
So, it's just easier to blame the 0.05% of the population who live in these gated communities, and hold up the racist guy that the tv showed as an example.
Maybe people with internet access could be considered rich but this isn't about us, that's kind of missing the point. There are real poor people living in the cities right now who are suffering. That's who Che's talking about.
No. Che's about making grandoise statements and rebelling for the sake of saying he's a rebel.
I wonder if Che locks his house during the day? If so, why? Is it to keep unwanted people away. But I thought these were the people he was all for taking care of. Every apartment building I've ever been to has a locked front door. How is this any different than a gated community?
I've lived in a poor area and I moved out the second I could afford to. Does it make me racist against white people because the poor area was overwhelmingly white? I learned that it's better to be the poor person in a middle class or rich area of town than a poor person in a poor area of town.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
ANd while we're blaming race, let me throw something else out there:
I doubt that Colin Powell, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, Chris Rock, or Shaq live in the ghetto. In fact, I can speculate (I don't know) that hey probably live in rather secure housing. So, they are inherently racist against blacks as well, based on teh logic I'm seeing expressed.
to the poster who said, this thread is outdated, that makes no sense. If I was a wealthy white male, who could choose to live in the Hamptons or in South Central LA or a poor neighborhood in chicago, its not too hard to figure out where I would live. Rich whites have always left poor minorities to dwell in hells that whites themselves tacitly support and allow to happen. After all it makes no sense, if you are white, why not move somewhere all white, because you compete only with whites for jobs. Whereas if you move to a poor multicultural neighborhood, you are "getting your job stolen" by other races.
This thread is outdated when people no longer move out of poor black neighborhoods because they are white. This thread is outdated when the hamptons no longer exists.
It makes plenty of sense. (not like being a pacifist who idolizes a murderer). The question isnt do they live in poor neighborhoods like south central.
I was just bringing up that a lot of the richest white folks are now moving BACK into the cities. Not the poor areas, obviously, but to the Downtown upscale areas. and they are.
Please, look at the demographics for Harlem as a perfect example (and those folks arent even THAT rich)- an area that is now actually increasing in white population.
it a shame that peoples will become further fragmented and disasscociated from one another but inevitable.
Its not all that different from living in an apartment block where you`ve got a porter at the door and maybe a maintenance guy on call, plenty choose these places for the security and peace of mind they provide.
...theres snobby advantages for some: I can let the kids out knowing they´ll not be mixing with certain types zada zada
...........but these are peoples choices
it a shame that peoples will become further fragmented and disasscociated from one another but inevitable.
Its not all that different from living in an apartment block where you`ve got a porter at the door and maybe a maintenance guy on call, plenty choose these places for the security and peace of mind they provide.
...theres snobby advantages for some: I can let the kids out knowing they´ll not be mixing with certain types zada zada
...........but these are peoples choices
I live in an apartment building with an on call maintenance guy and restricted access because I like the location, not because I want to separate myself from society. I think a lot of you guys are reading way to much into this. I think most people are simply living in a house they want to live in, and dont have alterior motives of separating themselves from the rest of the world.
If wealthy people started building nice houses next to poor neighborhoods then the property value of the poor neighborhoods would just go up, possibly forcing people in those neighborhoods out.
This is exactly what is happening in some parts of Seattle - the Central District / Rainier Valley. And it isn't "wealthy" people. It is middle class white people moving into neighborhoods, fixing up (or tearing down and rebuilding) the ramshackle houses and turning them into acceptable living areas. With that influx come the coffee shops. Property values have gone up, and consequently property taxes have, too. That forces some of the long-time, poor families to leave and find somewhere else to live.
So people are damned for leaving he inner-city and fleeing to the 'burbs ("white flight"), but they are also damned for coming back into the inner-city, trying to integrate, and trying to improve conditions ("gentrification").
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This is exactly what is happening in some parts of Seattle - the Central District / Rainier Valley. And it isn't "wealthy" people. It is middle class white people moving into neighborhoods, fixing up (or tearing down and rebuilding) the ramshackle houses and turning them into acceptable living areas. With that influx come the coffee shops. Property values have gone up, and consequently property taxes have, too. That forces some of the long-time, poor families to leave and find somewhere else to live.
So people are damned for leaving he inner-city and fleeing to the 'burbs ("white flight"), but they are also damned for coming back into the inner-city, trying to integrate, and trying to improve conditions ("gentrification").
White people just need to live in the middle of no where I guess.
i think they are sick. You end up building walls, as opposed to breaking them down. You mean, rich white trustfundians are so worried about brown people that they build walls to keep them out? I mean its just so absurd. I think all rich whities should be forced to spend a day in the projects, and see what life is really like for people. While they are oppressing the poor and sending youth off to die in Iraq, the poor and brown are actually fighting the war and are being brutally slaughtered by inhumane pigs out for blood.
I find it funny rich whites feel they have to seperate from society, like us poor people are too horrific to even live next to.
Gated communities are inherently racist. Its always the rich who can afford to move away from poor neighborhoods, this depleting the wealth of their former neighborhood. I would say gentrification, and white flight are 2 examples of huge problems in society.
I agree with the great Zack De La Rocha in Down Rodeo, talking about how people there havent seen a brown skin man since their grandparents bought one.
Gated communities breed racism, hatred, fear of the "other", gentrification, xenophobia, inequality.
Basically they are evil incarnate. I say while they build there communities, we should tear the walls down, and tear the gates down.
Until we control some stuff, until the poor, until workers control the system, they wont build their crap, thats how I see it.
You want to build a mansion? Fine, but be willing to send your kid off to Iraq and be willing to give away your money.
Is this a race issue? are blacks not allowed to live in these places maybe its an american thing.
Im sure many "rich whities" have worked harder for their beans than countless "poor darkies" and vice-versa. You wanna condemn people for a work ethic? wanting to better themselves and provide more for their children than they had?
you say yourself of:" its always the rich who can afford to move out of poor neighbourhoods"......so it probably wasnt inherited wealth, it was their sweat.
Mentioning Zack de la rocha is confirmation of your puerility, he is a pretentious cock, what does he know? Talking of slavery when he aint even black to sell records to middle-class white kids.
When the workers control the system the system ends.
Go major in political science before you spout off
I live in an apartment building with an on call maintenance guy and restricted access because I like the location, not because I want to separate myself from society. I think a lot of you guys are reading way to much into this. I think most people are simply living in a house they want to live in, and dont have alterior motives of separating themselves from the rest of the world.
that was my point,, nobody bats an eyelid to apartment locales and yet the parallels are obvious................if I want to rob your house its gonna be a mission tho aint it!
Is this a race issue? are blacks not allowed to live in these places maybe its an american thing.
Im sure many "rich whities" have worked harder for their beans than countless "poor darkies" and vice-versa. You wanna condemn people for a work ethic? wanting to better themselves and provide more for their children than they had?
you say yourself of:" its always the rich who can afford to move out of poor neighbourhoods"......so it probably wasnt inherited wealth, it was their sweat.
Mentioning Zack de la rocha is confirmation of your puerility, he is a pretentious cock, what does he know? Talking of slavery when he aint even black to sell records to middle-class white kids.
When the workers control the system the system ends.
Go major in political science before you spout off
No its not a race issue except to people trying to make it into one. A lot of gated communities, especially in the south, are geared towards older people or retired people who just want peace and quiet and less traffic in their neighborhood and so on. Not to mention, a lot of these places will use the homeowners fee to mow your lawn and things of that nature. The people trying to turn this into a race issue, or claiming people simply want to separate themselves from society are being short sighted and ignorning the obvious convienience these places provide to a lot of the residents.
Is this a race issue? are blacks not allowed to live in these places maybe its an american thing.
They are certainly allowed to live there. It's a financial issue. Like I pointed out, I am sure that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, & Chris Rock live in secured (probably even gated) houses, not communities. Are they racist against black people? According to a post earlier, they would be.
that was my point,, nobody bats an eyelid to apartment locales and yet the parallels are obvious................if I want to rob your house its gonna be a mission tho aint it!
I got your point. I was just providing my own personal situation, because it fits your point.
I live in a gated community and at first I thought...well this is a little weird, but it isn't really any different than living anywhere else other than the gate. Yes, the people do go outside and have lives outside of their gated community, Yes it is clean but it is not sterile looking at all. There is virtually no crime in our area at all and honestly that makes it worth it right there. I know I can go to work and when I come home all my shit isn't going to be gone.
To answer your question about whether this is the way that American society is going? Yes, I believe it is. Crime is bad everywhere (specifically theft) and this is a simple answer to the problem. This system is not perfect and I'm sure that there are gated communities out there like some of you described where you can get in with no trouble, but the fact is that it is one more barrier to making theft a little harder to pull off. Anyway thats the case where I live.
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I don't live in a gated community but all of my family in South Africa do. Obviously its different circumstances and problem set there, but they do offer security if set up properly. They have had zero crime rate and the kids can play outside. Very rare for SA.
In North America, I don't think it has gotten to that that point by a long shot where you are at risk everywhere you go.
I've got some friends that live in one.....it is a great place to live.....the whole reason is to protect property values....if I spent $1 million on a house, I'd want to protect my investment too.
Now, I will never go out and spend that on a house, but I have clients who do. THe gated part is a bit strange to me.....but if that is what they want, it is fine with me.
I live in an apartment building with an on call maintenance guy and restricted access because I like the location, not because I want to separate myself from society. I think a lot of you guys are reading way to much into this. I think most people are simply living in a house they want to live in, and dont have alterior motives of separating themselves from the rest of the world.
I don't think that's the same thing. There's lots of restricted access apartment buildings in cities but its not the same mentality. There's a mentality behind the "gated community" set up that's different from just having a porter on the door or something. The GC is about separating from society because you don't want to be part of it. These people said it was because they were scared of the cities and some of them wanted a "white" community. That made it a race issue for me because they obviously saw it as a way of escaping the rest of society (meaning other races).
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
I don't think that's the same thing. There's lots of restricted access apartment buildings in cities but its not the same mentality. There's a mentality behind the "gated community" set up that's different from just having a porter on the door or something. The GC is about separating from society because you don't want to be part of it. These people said it was because they were scared of the cities and some of them wanted a "white" community. That made it a race issue for me because they obviously saw it as a way of escaping the rest of society (meaning other races).
How do you know the mentality of people living in gated communities? This board is great about applying other people's positions and reasoning to them. And Im sure there are some people like you mention, but I have never in my life heard someone say they wanted to live in a gated community to separate themselves from society. Who are these people you speak of? Everyone I know who lives in a gated community does so because they liked the house, or didnt want a big yard to keep up with, or have kids that they didnt want playing on a busy street, or something of that nature, it had nothing to do with wanting to be in an all white society.
I think it's more about exclusivity than racism. They want to feel they are better than everybody else not just a particular race. Hell athletes and actors and musicians from all over the country live in our most expensive gated communities in the Atlanta Area, most aren't of the caucasian persuasion. Hell most of the people from the area, can't afford much of the housing anymore.
The reason you buy a Bentley or Ferrari is because not everyone can get it. Same deal with the gated community, the perception of superiority. It's bling, it's being showy..."hey pay attention to me...Look how wealthy and important I am!" Hey, if you want to pay some company a grand a month to do your lawn that's fine with me. I think it's got a lot more to do with making ones own self feel superior and set apart than really getting away from an area like say Mexico City or South Africa etc.
It really shouldn't bother anyone. There are a lot of really hideous ugly homes in some of those neighborhoods. Having a shit load of cash dosen't bring you taste hell their kids probably like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte...pity them.
Also rather funny, those kids from the hood...yeah, they get buzzed into those gated communities to sell weed, and meth, and rolls to your teenagers...and then those teenagers sell it to the other kids in the community.... it's really quite humorous that people see this 1950's ideal to those places. Kind of reminds me of the Soundgarden BHS video, beyond the plastic, lots of strange undercurrents.
Hey...if your 16 year old smokes...she puts out... same deal with those back tattoos. Hilarious.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
How do you know the mentality of people living in gated communities? This board is great about applying other people's positions and reasoning to them. And Im sure there are some people like you mention, but I have never in my life heard someone say they wanted to live in a gated community to separate themselves from society. Who are these people you speak of? Everyone I know who lives in a gated community does so because they liked the house, or didnt want a big yard to keep up with, or have kids that they didnt want playing on a busy street, or something of that nature, it had nothing to do with wanting to be in an all white society.
Look, I'm just going with what I saw on the show, what the people themselves said on the show. There was a certain, dare I say "smug", attitude amongst those within the community towards the outside. There seems to be a lot of fear of the outside, especially of other races. There are of course other reasons why people choose to live segregated such as property prices but you don't need to live in a gated community to live in a wealthy or exclusive area. There is a definite view amongst those people of "outside bad, inside good", especially with regard to race.
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People - no matter what race - tend to move away from less desirable areas when they have more wealth. It's not a white v. the minorities issue at all.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
If you were a wealthy african american who could afford to live in the Hamptons, would you choose south central? Just curious.
And your point about jobs I dont agree with. Most of these communities tend to be in suburban areas, but just because someone lives in the suburbs doesnt mean they dont work in the city. So I think your little rant about competing with other whites for jobs is not accurate a bit.
Believe it or not, some folks really are just workin for a living like everyone else and just built a house. People of different income levels live in areas of like income levels.
This isn't unique to white America. Look at other nations, brown nations in South America. Look at their social divide in living area. It's about income and social stature, not race. Just because this tv program put some racist yahoo on the screen as n example, it doesn't take away from that reality.
As far as giving money away, I agree (and religions that I know of support this as well) that the wealthy should help the poor because it's just the right thing to do. However, if you're just saying this out of anger, or because of some dislike of wealthier people, then that's wrong as well.
We tend to define what is excessive by our own standards of our own lives. What I mean by that is, some folks complaining about the extravagance of others probably live pretty extravagantly according to other folks. Think about the world population, and how much of it lives. I bet many of them would point to most of our lives as pretty excessive.
So, I'd think about that one a bit before getting all self-righteous and fired up against "rich" folks.
Exactly. I'd say anyone who has access to this forum is probably richer than 85% of the world....and that's being conservative. We're all rich here.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I just want a house with a yard and no covenants or neighbor hood rules to live by. I like cutting grass. I like washing my car, planting a garden, planting shrubs etc.
I definately don't want to pay some idiot lawn svc 200 bucks a month to do something I can do better than them.
You're thinking of Scientologist ramblers from East Grinstead! :rolleyes:
By the way, I love that last line!
Maybe people with internet access could be considered rich but this isn't about us, that's kind of missing the point. There are real poor people living in the cities right now who are suffering. That's who Che's talking about.
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I dont see why having gated communities really effects those people though. If wealthy people started building nice houses next to poor neighborhoods then the property value of the poor neighborhoods would just go up, possibly forcing people in those neighborhoods out.
Of course it's not about "us." Then you'd have to think about how excessive your own life is compared to others and would be forced to make a thread about what a rich ass you are, and how you owe society a debt, and how you are, by being rich, oppressing others.
So, it's just easier to blame the 0.05% of the population who live in these gated communities, and hold up the racist guy that the tv showed as an example.
I wonder if Che locks his house during the day? If so, why? Is it to keep unwanted people away. But I thought these were the people he was all for taking care of. Every apartment building I've ever been to has a locked front door. How is this any different than a gated community?
I've lived in a poor area and I moved out the second I could afford to. Does it make me racist against white people because the poor area was overwhelmingly white? I learned that it's better to be the poor person in a middle class or rich area of town than a poor person in a poor area of town.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I doubt that Colin Powell, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, Chris Rock, or Shaq live in the ghetto. In fact, I can speculate (I don't know) that hey probably live in rather secure housing. So, they are inherently racist against blacks as well, based on teh logic I'm seeing expressed.
It makes plenty of sense. (not like being a pacifist who idolizes a murderer). The question isnt do they live in poor neighborhoods like south central.
I was just bringing up that a lot of the richest white folks are now moving BACK into the cities. Not the poor areas, obviously, but to the Downtown upscale areas. and they are.
Please, look at the demographics for Harlem as a perfect example (and those folks arent even THAT rich)- an area that is now actually increasing in white population.
Its not all that different from living in an apartment block where you`ve got a porter at the door and maybe a maintenance guy on call, plenty choose these places for the security and peace of mind they provide.
...theres snobby advantages for some: I can let the kids out knowing they´ll not be mixing with certain types zada zada
...........but these are peoples choices
I live in an apartment building with an on call maintenance guy and restricted access because I like the location, not because I want to separate myself from society. I think a lot of you guys are reading way to much into this. I think most people are simply living in a house they want to live in, and dont have alterior motives of separating themselves from the rest of the world.
This is exactly what is happening in some parts of Seattle - the Central District / Rainier Valley. And it isn't "wealthy" people. It is middle class white people moving into neighborhoods, fixing up (or tearing down and rebuilding) the ramshackle houses and turning them into acceptable living areas. With that influx come the coffee shops. Property values have gone up, and consequently property taxes have, too. That forces some of the long-time, poor families to leave and find somewhere else to live.
So people are damned for leaving he inner-city and fleeing to the 'burbs ("white flight"), but they are also damned for coming back into the inner-city, trying to integrate, and trying to improve conditions ("gentrification").
White people just need to live in the middle of no where I guess.
Im sure many "rich whities" have worked harder for their beans than countless "poor darkies" and vice-versa. You wanna condemn people for a work ethic? wanting to better themselves and provide more for their children than they had?
you say yourself of:" its always the rich who can afford to move out of poor neighbourhoods"......so it probably wasnt inherited wealth, it was their sweat.
Mentioning Zack de la rocha is confirmation of your puerility, he is a pretentious cock, what does he know? Talking of slavery when he aint even black to sell records to middle-class white kids.
When the workers control the system the system ends.
Go major in political science before you spout off
No its not a race issue except to people trying to make it into one. A lot of gated communities, especially in the south, are geared towards older people or retired people who just want peace and quiet and less traffic in their neighborhood and so on. Not to mention, a lot of these places will use the homeowners fee to mow your lawn and things of that nature. The people trying to turn this into a race issue, or claiming people simply want to separate themselves from society are being short sighted and ignorning the obvious convienience these places provide to a lot of the residents.
They are certainly allowed to live there. It's a financial issue. Like I pointed out, I am sure that Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, & Chris Rock live in secured (probably even gated) houses, not communities. Are they racist against black people? According to a post earlier, they would be.
I got your point. I was just providing my own personal situation, because it fits your point.
To answer your question about whether this is the way that American society is going? Yes, I believe it is. Crime is bad everywhere (specifically theft) and this is a simple answer to the problem. This system is not perfect and I'm sure that there are gated communities out there like some of you described where you can get in with no trouble, but the fact is that it is one more barrier to making theft a little harder to pull off. Anyway thats the case where I live.
Amen to that!
In North America, I don't think it has gotten to that that point by a long shot where you are at risk everywhere you go.
Now, I will never go out and spend that on a house, but I have clients who do. THe gated part is a bit strange to me.....but if that is what they want, it is fine with me.
I don't think that's the same thing. There's lots of restricted access apartment buildings in cities but its not the same mentality. There's a mentality behind the "gated community" set up that's different from just having a porter on the door or something. The GC is about separating from society because you don't want to be part of it. These people said it was because they were scared of the cities and some of them wanted a "white" community. That made it a race issue for me because they obviously saw it as a way of escaping the rest of society (meaning other races).
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How do you know the mentality of people living in gated communities? This board is great about applying other people's positions and reasoning to them. And Im sure there are some people like you mention, but I have never in my life heard someone say they wanted to live in a gated community to separate themselves from society. Who are these people you speak of? Everyone I know who lives in a gated community does so because they liked the house, or didnt want a big yard to keep up with, or have kids that they didnt want playing on a busy street, or something of that nature, it had nothing to do with wanting to be in an all white society.
The reason you buy a Bentley or Ferrari is because not everyone can get it. Same deal with the gated community, the perception of superiority. It's bling, it's being showy..."hey pay attention to me...Look how wealthy and important I am!" Hey, if you want to pay some company a grand a month to do your lawn that's fine with me. I think it's got a lot more to do with making ones own self feel superior and set apart than really getting away from an area like say Mexico City or South Africa etc.
It really shouldn't bother anyone. There are a lot of really hideous ugly homes in some of those neighborhoods. Having a shit load of cash dosen't bring you taste hell their kids probably like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte...pity them.
Also rather funny, those kids from the hood...yeah, they get buzzed into those gated communities to sell weed, and meth, and rolls to your teenagers...and then those teenagers sell it to the other kids in the community.... it's really quite humorous that people see this 1950's ideal to those places. Kind of reminds me of the Soundgarden BHS video, beyond the plastic, lots of strange undercurrents.
Hey...if your 16 year old smokes...she puts out... same deal with those back tattoos. Hilarious.
Look, I'm just going with what I saw on the show, what the people themselves said on the show. There was a certain, dare I say "smug", attitude amongst those within the community towards the outside. There seems to be a lot of fear of the outside, especially of other races. There are of course other reasons why people choose to live segregated such as property prices but you don't need to live in a gated community to live in a wealthy or exclusive area. There is a definite view amongst those people of "outside bad, inside good", especially with regard to race.
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014