Interesting article by an ex-muslim radical..

Restless SoulRestless Soul Posts: 805
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
It calls for moderate muslims to do more to criticise Islamic theology, which I think is needed. All other religions go through intense scrutiny, criticism and debate but when I go on a religion board and some of the Islamic posters have a mindset where you can see that they just won't acknowledge that anything can be "wrong" with their religion.

Anyway just thought some of you might want to read it.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2115832,00.html
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
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  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    Thanks for posting it!
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    good read...
    Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?

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  • ArmsinaVArmsinaV Posts: 108
    Interesting article. Some valid points that should be made more often.

    Radical Islam is not just the product of Western policies. It's not something that will go away if Islamists demands were met. The West can/does make mistakes in dealing with it, but there is also responsibility on the Islamic community to recognize theological issues that can be taken to extremist positions relatively easily.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    That was interesting. It's too bad though that he doesn't give an explanation on how someone goes from moderate muslim (or even atheist) to fundamentalism. That path could also be a part of a solution.
  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    No surprise to see tumbleweed blowin thru this thread. You hear crickets too??

    Nonetheless.. Great find!
  • No surprise to see tumbleweed blowin thru this thread. You hear crickets too??

    Nonetheless.. Great find!

    That happens in all my threads, lol. No surprises indeed!
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • Kann wrote:
    That was interesting. It's too bad though that he doesn't give an explanation on how someone goes from moderate muslim (or even atheist) to fundamentalism. That path could also be a part of a solution.

    Well in britain the govt has been doing some stuff around a strategy called Preventing Violent Extremism (http://www.communities.gov.uk/index.asp?id=1509398) which talks about working with muslim communities and things like madrassas and imams. I suppose it's a start, I don't know how effective the thing is but it depends on the communities to get into it as well I suppose.
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    That happens in all my threads, lol. No surprises indeed!

    Because the radicals here DESPISE the fact that you find good reads that outline all that is evil. Keep up your good work!
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Nice little read, thanks. Reminds me of the show I watched last week on how the "mole/rat" got those young minds, "filled with hate" to start to draw a plan up for bomings in Canada and getting the PM and whatnot, and then turned them to the police. Not too far off from what this guy is going on about. Start by getting people to believe in the real world, ie: the one you actually live in. And wean them off this belief of a eden awaiting and the whole of mankind may just see a real light. Nothing wrong with believing in an afterlife, but you don't need to get there too fast, eh.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Very good article, intresting to see that it really has nothing to do with all these wars and the usual bollox spouted by the goverments of "they hate us for our freedoms"

    It just further proves the spin used by our goverments to justify wars.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • spiral out wrote:
    Very good article, intresting to see that it really has nothing to do with all these wars and the usual bollox spouted by the goverments of "they hate us for our freedoms"

    It just further proves the spin used by our goverments to justify wars.


    It's not just the government, the thing about the terrorists is that they are fundamentalists - regardless of what religion they are, its <i>fundamentalism</i> itself that is the problem, which means the complete adherence to a particular belief system with no room for dialogue, debate or criticism. These particular terrorists are not fighting for independence or territory or anything but over their ideas, which is the problem here.
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 10 June 2019



  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    It's not just the government, the thing about the terrorists is that they are fundamentalists - regardless of what religion they are, its <i>fundamentalism</i> itself that is the problem, which means the complete adherence to a particular belief system with no room for dialogue, debate or criticism. These particular terrorists are not fighting for independence or territory or anything but over their ideas, which is the problem here.

    Indeed i understand that but the goverments do use all the fundamentlists actions to there own advantage. To think they don't is naive.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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