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Bored of collaborations and at least another year to wait

froggy bunnymanfroggy bunnyman Posts: 164
edited November 2008 in The Porch
Personally, I am beginning to be seriously tired of their solo stuff, collaborations etc.
Ok It's normal, they need personal space to create for themselves ...
but still another year at least to wait for a new PJ album is hard...

I haven't been on this board for 4 months because nothing fresh is happening regarding PJ, the band.

We all want a new PJ album, a new world tour etc

It seems they don't want to hurry to record it.
I think they don't feel the need to record together, as strongly as they did. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's lazyness. Maybe it's just patience to let the songs grow.
Who knows ?
Still waiting for a gig in Paris (in a venue not a festival) since 2006...
Spin, spin !!

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London + Werchter 2007
Arras + Belfast 2010
Arras 2012
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  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    I agree somewhat; I hope will have something by late spring/early summer.
    SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    isnt it THEIR lives and careers? they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

    i would also like a new song released every week for the rest of my life but grown ups should realize stuff like that cant happen, so pop in a boot and sit and wait
    Mansfield II: # 23, since '03

    routine was the theme..

    there aint gonna be any middle any more
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    isnt it THEIR lives and careers? they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

    i would also like a new song released every week for the rest of my life but grown ups should realize stuff like that cant happen, so pop in a boot and sit and wait

    Responses like this give the pit a bad name; we can want whatever we want.
    SLC 11/2/95, Park City 6/21/98, Boise 11/3/00, Seattle 12/9/02, Vancouver 5/30/03, Gorge 9/1/05, Vancouver 9/2/05, Gorge 7/22/06, Gorge 7/23/06, Camden I 6/19/08, MSG I 6/24/08, MSG II 6/25/08, Hartford 6/27/08, Mansfield II 6/30/08; Eddie Albany 6/8/09, 6/9/09; Philly 10/30/09, 10/31/09; Boston 5/17/10
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    nathanastin wrote:
    Responses like this give the pit a bad name; we can want whatever we want.
    yes, we can want whatever we want. but in my opinion, starting threads that sound like a whiny 4 year old in toys r us gives the pit a bad name
    Mansfield II: # 23, since '03

    routine was the theme..

    there aint gonna be any middle any more
  • not for me?not for me? Posts: 501
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    yes, we can want whatever we want. but in my opinion, starting threads that sound like a whiny 4 year old in toys r us gives the pit a bad name
    Maybe a member from Pearl Jam will maybe read this and maybe try maybe get the album out sooner. Maybe:D
    Nathan
  • HailRoad24HailRoad24 Posts: 133
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    isnt it THEIR lives and careers? they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

    i would also like a new song released every week for the rest of my life but grown ups should realize stuff like that cant happen, so pop in a boot and sit and wait

    It's responses like this that make me shake my head. The OP merely stated that he was tired of hearing collaborations, solo records, etc. PJ are notoriously slow when it comes to recording and getting albums out. And like it or not, PJ are not getting any younger. God forbid a fan just wants to hear his favorite 5 musicians come together, put some songs together, release it, and hit the road for some shows in the span of less than 2 years.
    -PUSH ME AND I WILL RESIST!
  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Posts: 9,896
    I don't think it is going to be a year- this spring
    ...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    froggy bunnyman wrote:
    It seems they don't want to hurry to record it.
    I think they don't feel the need to record together, as strongly as they did. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's lazyness. Maybe it's just patience to let the songs grow.
    Who knows ?


    It's songwriting...It's difficult...and there is no timeline on how or when to create songs...Maybe if you are Beyonce or Brittany and you have the luxury of having someone else write your music, then timelines will obviously work; especially when all you have to do is show up in the studio and cut some vocal tracks over someone else's generic backing tracks...Must be nice!!

    With Pearl Jam it is different. They are creating songs from the ground up. Can you imagine the amount of material that they have? nearly everyone in the band is writing songs these days and bringing material to the table. That's a hell of alot of material to go through.

    In my mind...Pearl Jam can take as long as they want to record the next record. I understand the fustration as fans because you are just itching for the new music to come out...we all want it quickly....but I'd much rather the band put out the best material possible; something they are proud of...rather than something that is forced and rushed in order to cash in on us rubes who'll buy the album regardless.

    I don't think that taking a long time to record an album is a sign of tiredness or lazyness...I personally believe that it shows that this band cares deeply for the music that they are creating and attaching their names to.

    Mind you...if the album turns out like Chinese Dictatorship and takes 15 years to put out...Then I'd be a little bit miffed...but thankfully that isn't likely to happen.

    Who knows...Maybe the band will throw us a bone for the Easter Single and give us a Demo or New Track :)
  • SammyK14SammyK14 Posts: 287
    the creative process is a funny thing. sometimes inspiration strikes fast. sometimes it takes lots of time and changes along the way. i agree that it's a bummer to have all this downtime, but the guys are getting older and have their own families and stuff to worry about. it sucks but just gotta be patient!
    5 years of Jam...

    06: Pittsburgh
    07: Lollapalooza
    08: Bonnaroo, DC
    EV (second row!!!!!!) in DC
    09: Philly 2 & 3
    10: Newark
  • RedMosquito02RedMosquito02 Posts: 2,560
    pjsteelerfan wrote:
    I don't think it is going to be a year- this spring


    I have to agree with the man of steel on this one...even though he is a Steeler fan ; )

    I'm thinking late spring...

    Get ready for a big game this weekend dude!!
    33...
  • Rossum20Rossum20 Posts: 910
    SammyK14 wrote:
    the creative process is a funny thing. sometimes inspiration strikes fast. sometimes it takes lots of time and changes along the way. i agree that it's a bummer to have all this downtime, but the guys are getting older and have their own families and stuff to worry about. it sucks but just gotta be patient!


    they should just shut us up with a touring band 2008 DVD or some EV boots and that wouldn't require them to lift a finger....sounds like a compromise!
  • Jack_C_GregoryJack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    I personally like the solo/collaborations. I would rather they take a break to work on some different stuff every once in a while as apposed to breaking up the band entirely to "go different ways".
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Rossum20 wrote:
    they should just shut us up with a touring band 2008 DVD or some EV boots and that wouldn't require them to lift a finger....sounds like a compromise!
    agreed

    I think they will release the Ten compilation with remaster CD and vinyl; it also says DVD-I think it will be Ten live from the various songs on the last tour, maybe
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  • JammalamboJammalambo Posts: 1,321
    My personal opinion is that I have hundreds of pj bootlegs to listen to, and that there are a lot of other interesting bands out there.. Plus, their latest studio album is the weakest of their albums, so I don't care when the next album will be released.. For me, it can be published in 2012, if this helps to make a better album (at least better than avocado)..
  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    "With Pearl Jam it is different. They are creating songs from the ground up. Can you imagine the amount of material that they have? nearly everyone in the band is writing songs these days and bringing material to the table. That's a hell of alot of material to go through."


    VERY well put. Good things take time. Last time we rushed them we got an ugly ass fruit as album artwork! Chill out, go see another band live. Speaking as someone who has written and recorded a bit, it takes FOREVER just to get one thing down sometimes. I mean they don't get paid the big bucks for nothing.

    It is very obvious that they are in working on it (not sure where you get the 1-2 years bit, the album is rumored to be out very early in 09) So why get in a fuss? I highly doubt you saying that you've grown tired of their solo stuff will speed up the album process.



    Be patient, kiss your ten album and praise Allah that they even still care enough to write with each other.
  • froggy bunnymanfroggy bunnyman Posts: 164
    Thanks to all of you (except Release me, although I understand his opinion) for your great answers.

    You're all confident on a release this spring... lucky you
    :)

    Well, I'm gonna listen to the Paris boot 2006 and be patient once again
    Thanks guys

    Cheers
    Still waiting for a gig in Paris (in a venue not a festival) since 2006...
    Spin, spin !!

    Marseille + Paris 2006
    London + Werchter 2007
    Arras + Belfast 2010
    Arras 2012
    Paris Lollapalooza 2022
  • Stone IronsStone Irons Posts: 430
    LeatherMandi wrote:
    VERY well put. Good things take time. Last time we rushed them we got an ugly ass fruit as album artwork!

    The self-titled album actually was worked on throughout all of 2005, as they began work on it right after the Vote for Change tour. So it wasn't rushed at all.
    Can't escape from the common rule...
    If you hate something, don't you do it too
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,425
    froggy bunnyman wrote:
    Ok It's normal, they need personal space to create for themselves ...
    but still another year at least to wait for a new PJ album is hard...

    It is normal, but, ya know, Led Zeppelin didn't take those different influences and go make solo albums. I think them saving stuff for solo albums is really detracting from what the albums could be. Ten-Binaural, you knew it was Pearl Jam, soon as you heard it . RA and S/T, aside from a few odd tracks, not so much.
  • pc_loadletterpc_loadletter Posts: 164
    froggy bunnyman wrote:
    Personally, I am beginning to be seriously tired of their solo stuff, collaborations etc.
    Ok It's normal, they need personal space to create for themselves ...
    but still another year at least to wait for a new PJ album is hard...

    I haven't been on this board for 4 months because nothing fresh is happening regarding PJ, the band.

    We all want a new PJ album, a new world tour etc

    It seems they don't want to hurry to record it.
    I think they don't feel the need to record together, as strongly as they did. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's lazyness. Maybe it's just patience to let the songs grow.
    Who knows ?

    i would love for a new album to come out soon, too. but id rather have them take their time and put out another great pearl jam cd rather than something that just would come across as rushed.
  • LoveBoatAdmiralLoveBoatAdmiral Posts: 1,191
    RedMosquito02 wrote:
    I have to agree with the man of steel on this one...even though he is a Steeler fan ; )

    I'm thinking late spring...

    Get ready for a big game this weekend dude!!

    Gonna be at the Razor for this one. Can't wait, its gonna be intense!
    2006- Boston I
    2008- Boston I+II
    2009- Toronto, Philly III+IV
    2010- Bristow, Hartford, Boston, Newark
  • BustedDownThePretextBustedDownThePretext Posts: 330
    robcascie wrote:
    their latest studio album is the weakest of their albums

    really? riot act is better than avacado? i strongly disagree and i love riot act.
    "and onward goes this thing of ours."

    Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri
  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    Also, the artwork for self titled album was awesome. I'm sure you got the whole avocado/advocate word play Leathermandi, I know you're smart :)


    haha charade you are solat, because i have no idea whatcah mean :D I could learn though, i got's super good attention spans :) oh and speaking of attention spans, lets just be sensible here for a second okay .. Riot Act was a far better release :D "self titled" is fine, but , riot act was like binaural part two whilst self titled was kind of a test tube baby that almost made it out with all its functions. This is a fact and do NOT make me get my rule book, cause is so will;)
  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    pearl jam does more during their album downtime than any other band i can think of to keep their fans content... im SO grateful for that... and i have complete faith that they are working their hardest at getting a new album together without getting burned out and hating each other... id much rather wait 5 years between albums and have the boys keep their sanity and stay together than have em crank out a new album every year and break up or run out of steam earlier

    that being said... eds really gettin showed up by trent :p
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  • unifiedsceneunifiedscene Posts: 462
    froggy bunnyman wrote:
    Personally, I am beginning to be seriously tired of their solo stuff, collaborations etc.
    Ok It's normal, they need personal space to create for themselves ...
    but still another year at least to wait for a new PJ album is hard...

    I haven't been on this board for 4 months because nothing fresh is happening regarding PJ, the band.

    We all want a new PJ album, a new world tour etc

    It seems they don't want to hurry to record it.
    I think they don't feel the need to record together, as strongly as they did. Maybe it's tiredness. Maybe it's lazyness. Maybe it's just patience to let the songs grow.
    Who knows ?

    I think it's just that they're old. It's a bummer, but so it goes. No big deal, it happens to everyone.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    Oh you had to go into the whole "Riot Act is my life" crap didn't you? Man, I like Riot Act, it's a nice decent album. But I am just sick and tired of the whole "if you don't like Riot Act, there must be something wrong with you" attitude that 90% of this crowd has. Actually, until recently, Riot Act never really struck me as the "best shit this band has ever done". (Well best shit this band has ever done was FUCKING MASTERPIECE VITALOGY, but that's a whole other thread :D) But then I gave some time to this album, mainly because, I realized I actually like All or None, 1/2 Full and Get Right. Then came the Hartford show and got shot by the opener!! Man, does that song rock!?!?!? So, yeah Riot Act is fine but absolutely NOT better than Self Titled. Now, Riot Act being the part 2 to Binaural? I have a serious problem with that because I don't see the association between those two albums at all.
    I really enjoyed our little discussion here, thank you LeatherMandi. :)

    p.s. I had to remove some of your emoticons. Because otherwise I wasn't gonna be able to post. They have a weird "only 5 emoticons" rule here on this forum apparently.


    It is totally cool! I need a someone to sensor my smileys.. i go overboard sometimes and don't even mean to.. (does not insert smiley though desperately wants to)


    Oh well the binaural part two part i meant in the sense.. they were both AWESOMELY, AWESOME , well done albums.. i thought riot act stuck to the musically obscure side of pearl jam that binaural introduced and that i fell in love with. They were different , yet alike in all the good ways. I didnt mean literally but its okay, this is text so stuff does get lost in the cosmos by no fault of anyones :D

    but yeah.. im still gonna go with Riot act .. i mean.. if you've ever seen "can't keep" live.. you would believe :D I saw it in 08 and man.. about as close to heaven as ive been in a while :)

    speaking of which.. did they forget how to play "help, help" as soon as they recorded it? i have a huge hankering to see this live
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,358
    Kind of like the idea of riot act being binaural-2, I can see that. The two best albums too. S/T gets old really fast.

    And a toruing band 08? Did they even shoot any of those shows?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjamaholicpjamaholic Posts: 1,225
    ReleaseMe... wrote:
    isnt it THEIR lives and careers? they can do whatever the hell they want to do.

    i would also like a new song released every week for the rest of my life but grown ups should realize stuff like that cant happen, so pop in a boot and sit and wait

    If they'd been quicker to record albums and tour more they probably wouldn't still be together. They like to take time out for themselves and do solo stuff away from the band, and most of them have kids now. That being said, I'm tired of the solo stuff too and am looking forward to them getting back into the studio, however I dont believe they're tired at all of doing recording albums, they just take their time to produce really good stuff. It'll probably be another year before they finish the next album, which suits me fine cos then I'll have enough money to follow them around the country when they decide to tour here again.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,895
    SammyK14 wrote:
    the creative process is a funny thing. sometimes inspiration strikes fast. sometimes it takes lots of time and changes along the way. i agree that it's a bummer to have all this downtime, but the guys are getting older and have their own families and stuff to worry about. it sucks but just gotta be patient!

    Yeah, sometimes I take 8 months off from being an accountant due to "life".
  • FahkaFahka Posts: 3,187
    SOLAT319 wrote:
    As soon as you mentioned Cant FUCKING Keep live, I knew you and I were in the same page :) OMFG! Hartford 08 opening with that? Let me put it this way: Vedder took this really fucking sharp dagger and stuck it right into my left arm with Cant Keep. Then he went on to just twist it left and right with Last Exit and Breakerfuckingfall!!! I died and went to heaven that night! (as I do most of the nights I see them live :) ) But seriously, Hartford was something else this year. Actually the last three.
    Also I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read your comment about Help Help! :D 100% agree with you on that!



    Man hearing you say that makes me wish you could play days over again. Id put 6/16/08 on loop for quite a while. ;);)
  • GotMyLeashGotMyLeash Posts: 129
    HailRoad24 wrote:
    It's responses like this that make me shake my head. The OP merely stated that he was tired of hearing collaborations, solo records, etc. PJ are notoriously slow when it comes to recording and getting albums out. And like it or not, PJ are not getting any younger. God forbid a fan just wants to hear his favorite 5 musicians come together, put some songs together, release it, and hit the road for some shows in the span of less than 2 years.

    Farking amen to that.
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    torture then reward...torture then reward,
    follows torture...follows reward....

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