Yale Series of Younger Poets Poem #5

Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
This restricted vastness is her robe and rope;
a carefully measured box wider than an arm's length,
a formidable solution taller than a garden hoe.

She outlines the smoothness of the first stones;
hesitates at familiar scratches on cell bars,
and listens for rhymes between bricks, and the closing of doors.

There was a time when scrupulous music braided
between the shuffle of leaves. A time she welcomed Spring.
As she sealed the lock, trees transformed into cathedral pews.
Melodies of breezes tightened to touch.

This is her prayer book; a bound life of sectioned mysteries
too complete to engage others too engaged in routine.
As life loves she hears closed doors open.
As life lives she counts her fingers again and again.
She hides at will, moves by choice,
she knows when her cell will crumble;
and considers each moment as two,
and considers each moment twice.


As with Poem #4, please give me feedback especially on what works, and what doesn't work. Thank you.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    I like this, and I can picture this solitary nun in a cell, but it almost seems like she's in prison.

    Maybe to balance the picture, she could move through the halls of the place she lives and think about the people there too?
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  • pearlmuttpearlmutt Posts: 392
    "and listens for rhymes between bricks, and the closing of doors."

    this is absolutely my favorite line, and it's in my favorite stanza and reminds me of one of my favorite lines in one of my other favorite poems, by Erica Jong ("If a woman wants to become a poet . . . she should listen to the breathing of sleeping men")

    I really have little to offer other than I really like this one.

    I like this stanza:

    She outlines the smoothness of the first stones;
    hesitates at familiar scratches on cell bars,
    and listens for rhymes between bricks, and the closing of doors.

    (there are a lot of sound effects, they are not overdone, it mirrors what is happening, scratching and listening: smoothness stones and cells / between bricks closing -- sounds are really tight! -- the imagery, being imprisoned in a poem? fabulous, smart interesting! It reminds me a some quote about writing that I have somewhere from some author, but it is "For me the only way out was to go further in")

    All of the different metaphors for being closed in,
    the rope and robe
    the measured box
    the bound life of a prayer book -- sosososososo smart!!

    i could go on. I really like so many things in this poem. talk about it a bit?
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    Thanks pearlmutt and justam for your feedback! The poem is about someone who chooses to be an ascetic, to close herself up in a cell and can't get in or out. I'll try to make that more clear. I'm glad you appreciated the metaphors. This was a lot of fun to write, and it was metaphors or playing with words that made me feel like a kid in a candy shop.

    A few years ago, I read a fictional novel which takes place in the 1500's or so, and the main character's mother is an ascetic. It was the first time I heard of asceticism. The daughter brings her mother food and some human contact, but as a whole the mother is a minor character. The interesting thing about the mother is that she chooses this life of deprivation for spiritual purposes. I tried to bring out the deprivation, but also to discuss what is worth this deprivation. A life based only on inner spiritual conversations could be or maybe not. The mother's goal was to live only for what could happen after death.

    If a person is in a cell for years and years and years, she would know it's shape, sounds, light sources, anything. It become part of her body, I assume.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    I find the second half the poem stronger than the first, the third stanza really is fantastically well put together.

    The first two don't quite flow as comfortably for me. It reminds me a bit of Margaret Atwood, more so the imagery.
    Salut baloo
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    Thanks pearlmutt and justam for your feedback! The poem is about someone who chooses to be an ascetic, to close herself up in a cell and can't get in or out. I'll try to make that more clear. I'm glad you appreciated the metaphors. This was a lot of fun to write, and it was metaphors or playing with words that made me feel like a kid in a candy shop.

    A few years ago, I read a fictional novel which takes place in the 1500's or so, and the main character's mother is an ascetic. It was the first time I heard of asceticism. The daughter brings her mother food and some human contact, but as a whole the mother is a minor character. The interesting thing about the mother is that she chooses this life of deprivation for spiritual purposes. I tried to bring out the deprivation, but also to discuss what is worth this deprivation. A life based only on inner spiritual conversations could be or maybe not. The mother's goal was to live only for what could happen after death.

    If a person is in a cell for years and years and years, she would know it's shape, sounds, light sources, anything. It become part of her body, I assume.

    Ohhhh, so she really WAS in a very small space unable to get out. Thanks for explaining that aspect. :)
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  • pearlmuttpearlmutt Posts: 392
    "and it was metaphors or playing with words that made me feel like a kid in a candy shop."

    that's good stuff.

    This:

    "The interesting thing about the mother is that she chooses this life of deprivation for spiritual purposes."

    plus this:

    "This is her prayer book; a bound life of sectioned mysteries"

    got me thinking about once again how smart it is, you know the mystery plays I think they were called, the old school mysteries, they were religious -- in other words, yours, for spiritual purposes. It's just a damn smart poem.
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    pearlmutt wrote:
    It's just a damn smart poem.
    I'll turn that phrase into a poster and hang it on my wall. :-)

    Thanks to all of you for the feedback, I'll rewrite it again, and move on to the next poem. I still welcome comments on Poem #5 and Poem #4. Hopefully, Poem #1 will be next, but it may be Poem #6.

    Why numbers? I decided that the title will be "Shared Images" because I'm sharing on the internet. Some people share files on the internet, but I share poetry. I like to write poetry that people can hook on an image. That's where the title comes from. Also, I number the poems instead of titles because in this way the reader will see all of the poems as part of the whole book. We learn that 1 is before 2 and 4 is after 3, and because of the relationship the numbers have they can not be set alone. Since the poems are written specifically for this book, the poems can not be alone.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • This restricted vastness is her robe and rope;
    a carefully measured box wider than an arm's length,
    a formidable solution taller than a garden hoe.

    She outlines the smoothness of the first stones;
    hesitates at familiar scratches on cell bars,
    and listens for rhymes between bricks, and the closing of doors.

    There was a time when scrupulous music braided
    between the shuffle of leaves. A time she welcomed Spring.
    As she sealed the lock, trees transformed into cathedral pews.
    Melodies of breezes tightened to touch.

    This is her prayer book; a bound life of sectioned mysteries
    too complete to engage others too engaged in routine.
    As life loves she hears closed doors open.
    As life lives she counts her fingers again and again.
    She hides at will, moves by choice,
    she knows when her cell will crumble;
    and considers each moment as two,
    and considers each moment twice.

    This is my favourite of your pieces for submission, so far. I like the hendiadys in line one (two nouns in conjunction), with its phonemic near repetition. That's clever. I love the flow of sibilance in the second stanza, and the equivalence of verbs "outlines"/"hesitates"/"listens": Observation, pause, consideration and scrutiny are not passive but creative activities, in this poem. The consonantal patterning in "scrupulous music braided/ between the shuffle of leaves" is a braiding of sounds in itself: The line "Melodies of breezes tightened to touch" is enviably conceived. Anaphora (repetition of words or phrases at the beginnings of lines) works well in the final stanza, and I like the subtle nuance of semantic change in "and considers each moment as two/ and considers each moment twice."

    I'd go so far as to say this is easily one of the most accomplished poems I've had the privilege of reading on this forum and, where as you know I've offered constructive crit when asked, I have to say I wouldn't change a thing here. Not a thing. This is worthy of submission and serious contention in any competition.
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    This restricted vastness is her robe and rope;
    a carefully measured box wider than an arm's length,
    a formidable solution taller than a garden hoe.

    She outlines the smoothness of the first stones;
    hesitates at familiar scratches on cell bars,
    and listens for rhymes between bricks, and the closing of doors.

    There was a time when scrupulous music braided
    between the shuffle of leaves. A time she welcomed Spring.
    As she sealed the lock, trees transformed into cathedral pews.
    Melodies of breezes tightened to touch.

    This is her prayer book; a bound life of sectioned mysteries
    too complete to engage others too engaged in routine.
    As life loves she hears closed doors open.
    As life lives she counts her fingers again and again.
    She hides at will, moves by choice,
    she knows when her cell will crumble;
    and considers each moment as two,
    and considers each moment twice.

    This is my favourite of your pieces for submission, so far. I like the hendiadys in line one, with its phonemic near repetition. That's clever. I love the flow of sibilance in the second stanza, and the equivalence of verbs "outlines"/"hesitates"/"listens": Observation, pause, consideration and scrutiny are not passive but creative activities, in this poem. The consonantal patterning in "scrupulous music braided/ between the shuffle of leaves" is a braiding of sounds in itself: The line "Melodies of breezes tightened to touch" is enviably conceived. Anaphora works well in the final stanza, and I like the subtle nuance of semantic change in "and considers each moment as two/ and considers each moment twice."

    I'd go so far as to say this is easily one of the most accomplished poems I've have the privilege of reading on this forum and, where as you know I've offered constructive crit when asked, I have to say I wouldn't change a thing here. Not a thing. This is worthy of submission and serious contention in any competition.
    Thanks Mr. Carrots! This draft was a great pleasure to write, and I guess it showed through. Thanks to all posters for their feedback even the ones who disagreed with each other. It means a lot to me, and I take it seriously. Back to the pen, and more pleasure.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • Did you manage to find your "Inspired by..." poems that you were looking for?
  • Did you manage to find your "Inspired by..." poems that you were looking for?

    :) Oh, I remember those!!!! The Jacob Lawrence ones!!! Very cool! Hmmm, methinks I shall do some digging through the archives here....
    Forget your perfect offering, there is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen
  • :) Oh, I remember those!!!! The Jacob Lawrence ones!!! Very cool! Hmmm, methinks I shall do some digging through the archives here....


    It's the inspired by PJ one she's looking for! :)
  • I found one!

    Bibliobella
    Don't Release Me
    Inspired by Pearl Jam's "Release" off of "Ten" Sony copyright 1991

    I know this scene well after listening
    for years as a crisis line counselor.
    Man in casual Friday clothes directs
    the son to the room where he waits cross-legged.
    A true nightmare. Sleep does not protect me
    from this worn story’s cryptic finale.

    I feel a tap on my upper arm. I
    feel it stronger and more frequent until
    I wake up. The sharp tapping persists. I’m
    annoyed, yet realize that I’m alone
    early Saturday morning Pacific
    Standard Time, mid-summer of last year. Hot
    waves of gratitude flush my face, and I
    yell thanks to my empty room, to mom’s dad.
  • Ah, it was the PJ inspired beauties she was seeking! I still bumped my favorite Jacob Lawrence inspired poem anyway! :D But here's another PJ inspired poem by Bibliobella I found that I really enjoyed:

    "Inspired by Pearl Jam's "Education" by Bibliobella


    A woman climbs between rocks small and big.
    Each breath a gift wrapped in the full moon's light
    given by the ocean. She sees the waves'
    inquiries and agrees to move forward.

    She heard the stories from mothers and friends.
    She heard where the earth is a soft rug
    for bruised feet, and where it is broken glass.
    She heard the mist chooses to encourage.

    She rests to touch the petal of one rose.
    Her hunger satisfied by the leaves' scent.
    She communicates with other mountains
    using the warm wind as her messenger.

    The moon, the earth, and ocean are women.
    Feel what they know as they rotate their hips."
    Forget your perfect offering, there is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    I'm glad you still like them. :-) I haven't had a chance to find the one I'm looking for which is "Inspired by Pearl Jam's Alone." Anyone have it somewhere?
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • I'll check here. Did you ever post it on Blissweave? It might be there too.
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,265
    I'll check here. Did you ever post it on Blissweave? It might be there too.
    I don't think I did. Also, I think it was winter when I wrote it. I looked in "Search" but I couldn't find it. I remember that Groovematic responded to it.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
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