There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Does this mean, Ms. Haiku, that you found time to read the book? (I feel excited for you!)
I googled Parnell, but did not do research into the early Ireland times. I'm asking again for a brief recap of what you learned.
Perhaps I'll go over the banter between you and Mr. C as the information was quite introspective. When discussion first commenced I hadn't yet been introduced to Stephens' friends. I did not derive much meaning out of the characters names.
Can't wait to learn more about The Odssey. I'm afraid my understanding of symbolism and metaphors is not terrific. So far, I have taken much at face value, so I am sure to be missing quite a bit.
I appreciate the insight I receive from this forum.
Does this mean, Ms. Haiku, that you found time to read the book? (I feel excited for you!)
I googled Parnell, but did not do research into the early Ireland times. I'm asking again for a brief recap of what you learned.
Perhaps I'll go over the banter between you and Mr. C as the information was quite introspective. When discussion first commenced I hadn't yet been introduced to Stephens' friends. I did not derive much meaning out of the characters names.
Can't wait to learn more about The Odssey. I'm afraid my understanding of symbolism and metaphors is not terrific. So far, I have taken much at face value, so I am sure to be missing quite a bit.
I appreciate the insight I receive from this forum.
There are some good readable translations of The Odyssey. My favourite verse translation is by Richmond Lattimore but I'd say the most readable prose translation is this one:
It was a sunny early winter day. My friend and I approached the Vancouver library, considering having a race to find one book alone, The Odyssey. The version I am reading is A New Translation by Ennis Rees. I am reading that version because of my friends' suggestion. (I was going to pick the version by weight.) Perhaps he liked the blue and yellow cover? No, it was the new translation part that he recommended.
Upon leaving the library, we saw a man on a ladder working with a tree. We joked how 1986 fun it would be if all the leaves had to be removed from the trees in autumn. Almost as fun as joking to him (on the way to the library) about a game where he would have to yell "I got shit", when he gets some! The men in suits stared at us laughing...
"She's still at home, all right, and patient as ever, though she
Still weeps away the miserable nights and days."
"He said it, and now it's all happeing just that way,
And a hateful wedding night will surely be forced
Upon me, accursed as I am and deprived of joy
By Zeus."
"winged words"
oh fuck...you see I have a copy of ´portrait..´and also ´ulysses´( was led to believe that ´dubliners´was the necessary starter in the build-up for ulysses) but not the Homer-tho was well aware of the link......... Furthermore I have just started Dostoyevskys´devils´, only a few pages in but once I start...... Would be handy to have this discussion for ulysses as I do get irritated if the smallest part of a novel is not clear&open to my understanding....
Hi Elmer! I hope you join this discussion. I know how it is though when you want to see a beginning through. Personally, I only made it halfway through Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" this summer past.
And hey.... what ever happened to the evil elf dude?
Hi Elmer! I hope you join this discussion. I know how it is though when you want to see a beginning through. Personally, I only made it halfway through Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" this summer past.
And hey.... what ever happened to the evil elf dude?
.....hi to you!, well its a few years since I read "crime and punishment"but it still seems fresh.......who do you mean by the évil elf dude´? I loved the novel, for me it really was gripping.......seem to have a particular liking for russians text of the 18th, y´know tolstoy and all, they all(to me)seem to read really fluid.......but this particular guy your on about(?)...refresh me
Elmer, I was referring to eviltoasterelf, a book discussion participant.
eviltoasterelf, blanche... where you at with the reading? I'm trying NOT to finish The Odyssee as I love it so. Damn committments/keeping my work crap!
Oh yeah, Elmer, would you please explain what you know of Dubliners being a good reading before Ulysses? Thanks love.
...nothing that much really, heard/told/read somewhere that dubliners- portrait- ulysses was the progression...........I have all three but yet to start............guess I need to find me a copy the homer
...nothing that much really, heard/told/read somewhere that dubliners- portrait- ulysses was the progression...........I have all three but yet to start............guess I need to find me a copy the homer
eviltoasterelf, blanche... where you at with the reading? I'm trying NOT to finish The Odyssee as I love it so. Damn committments/keeping my work crap!
Well, I reread neither Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man nor the Odyssey prior to participating in this thread, but I had read them thoroughly enough in school to remember the plot.
Moreover, seeing there was little activity here (probably due to end of year holidays), I sort of gave up the ghost.
I thought, quite frankly, that the thread was dead.
But I am glad to steal what the the great doctor once said, ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!
Reading aloud is helping me with Ulysses. It's a pretty fun book. I just keep thinking this is a selfish pleasure. Perhaps I should be at an old folks home reading to the seniors or something! Anyhow...
Well, basically, a tentative outline is Portrait in December, Odyssey in January, and then the big-mac-daddy Ulysses in February. Will you still be around?
You know, if I had to write a paper about Portrait and the Odyssey, I would focus/compare the authors' description of the afterlife. Gees, when I think of the chapter Joyce devoted to describing hell, well, I kinda thought if I had had that fear put into me as a young girl, I might have weighed my "sins" a bit more carefully! Actually, what blew me away, was that after repented, Stephen had let his errors go... now that's a skill! How amazing to write about the unknown! And what a difference in beliefs throughout historical times.
It's not big-mac-daddy February just yet, so fins... have you got any topics for discussing the Odyssey?
Oh yeah, its getting much easier in the Odyssey to see the symbolism in the characters names... Mr. Power, Rev. Love, Simple Simon, Mrs. Douce who is douce, Nosey Flynn, Brother Swan, etc... I reviewed my reading focussing not on the sounds and flow of the words, but rather the color, number and organ references. I'm past number five now, blue and the cock-named character! In this book, I love the line, "Things are going along swimmingly." (That may not be a verbatim quote.)
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Oh MY God.... this poem is terrific... I can't thank Fins enough for suggesting this read. Thank-you.
it's ALIVE!
I'm still on the portrait book . . .
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
I googled Parnell, but did not do research into the early Ireland times. I'm asking again for a brief recap of what you learned.
Perhaps I'll go over the banter between you and Mr. C as the information was quite introspective. When discussion first commenced I hadn't yet been introduced to Stephens' friends. I did not derive much meaning out of the characters names.
Can't wait to learn more about The Odssey. I'm afraid my understanding of symbolism and metaphors is not terrific. So far, I have taken much at face value, so I am sure to be missing quite a bit.
I appreciate the insight I receive from this forum.
There are some good readable translations of The Odyssey. My favourite verse translation is by Richmond Lattimore but I'd say the most readable prose translation is this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140445560/002-5687589-5113639?v=glance&n=283155
I hope it's okay with Kat to put up an Amazon link.
Upon leaving the library, we saw a man on a ladder working with a tree. We joked how 1986 fun it would be if all the leaves had to be removed from the trees in autumn. Almost as fun as joking to him (on the way to the library) about a game where he would have to yell "I got shit", when he gets some! The men in suits stared at us laughing...
la la la
Still weeps away the miserable nights and days."
"He said it, and now it's all happeing just that way,
And a hateful wedding night will surely be forced
Upon me, accursed as I am and deprived of joy
By Zeus."
"winged words"
And hey.... what ever happened to the evil elf dude?
eviltoasterelf, blanche... where you at with the reading? I'm trying NOT to finish The Odyssee as I love it so. Damn committments/keeping my work crap!
Oh yeah, Elmer, would you please explain what you know of Dubliners being a good reading before Ulysses? Thanks love.
Moreover, seeing there was little activity here (probably due to end of year holidays), I sort of gave up the ghost.
I thought, quite frankly, that the thread was dead.
But I am glad to steal what the the great doctor once said, ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!
Because of the enchanted sirens' song
Bondage tightens as my hook
Tied to the mast with bindings strong
To test my loyal friends I'd see
Wherein the true love lies
Revenge on those who hate me
Blood on my hands they die
And be the gods delight
Gifts find me the bard
Strength and truth my might
Loved through sorrows' yard
TV Lovely
-just now/06
I am looking forward to the Odyssey discussion...
You know, if I had to write a paper about Portrait and the Odyssey, I would focus/compare the authors' description of the afterlife. Gees, when I think of the chapter Joyce devoted to describing hell, well, I kinda thought if I had had that fear put into me as a young girl, I might have weighed my "sins" a bit more carefully! Actually, what blew me away, was that after repented, Stephen had let his errors go... now that's a skill! How amazing to write about the unknown! And what a difference in beliefs throughout historical times.
It's not big-mac-daddy February just yet, so fins... have you got any topics for discussing the Odyssey?
Oh yeah, its getting much easier in the Odyssey to see the symbolism in the characters names... Mr. Power, Rev. Love, Simple Simon, Mrs. Douce who is douce, Nosey Flynn, Brother Swan, etc... I reviewed my reading focussing not on the sounds and flow of the words, but rather the color, number and organ references. I'm past number five now, blue and the cock-named character! In this book, I love the line, "Things are going along swimmingly." (That may not be a verbatim quote.)
Thanks.
"He laid the dry snot picked from his nostril on a ledge of rock, carefully. For the rest let look who will."
"In the beginning was the word, in the end the world without end."
"We are praying now for the repose of his soul. Hoping you're well and not in hell."
"Order in the court! The accused will now make a bogus statement."